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Totally agreed. Ad hominen attacks are highly frowned upon in most forums. Granted, this is a forum about using mostly still cameras for video. But still, if things do go and get heated, things do need some moderation, and someone with enough of a temperament to not put themselves into the equation. I really am not the type to be a moderator, especially on this forum, when several users have it out for me. I understand completely why they would - based on how I word my posts. In the future I will not post from my cell phone in a hurry. Words really can hurt people, and I am trying, day by day to be more empathic, and less seamingly preachy. I am in no ways in any position to preach to anyone, and to explain my original post that was deleted. I see B&H as not an ethical company, and yet, I still buy from them. That was the point I was trying to make - at what point do we actually stand behind our own ethics, and when do we cave because B&H has the best deals and fastest shipping? That's all I was trying to say. And I said it poorly and I revised that post. So I apologize. Apologize for past posts as well. Apologize to everyone who I have offended.

I have had some really serious, intense arguments in the real world as well. Sometimes even more shocking and intense since eye contact becomes involved and body language. Online stuff is definitely tough cause you can't see how your words affect the other person, but yea, arguments in general are difficult.

I think @Andrew Reid the reason I am in a huff is that a moderator's job is to keep the peace, not do as Don said - "deletes posts, locks threads, promotes or even posts personal insults and pushes people to leave the forum." That's not good for this place.

thanks for this Andrew. You are always a good, rationale voice.

No sir!

I am with Neumann. If Ed becomes a mod, I am out as well. I like the articles here and the people, but he is self-righteous, egotistical, and annonying and whining. I practically hear him whining whenever he types. I don't know him personally either, but I'm sure he's a good dude, but no way, I would be gone. I think the site was better when he wasn't here. He can take his holier-than-thou attitude somewhere else. Last post. Peace.

okay!

Are any definitions ever clear and objective and absolute? Is anything absolute? No, definitions change or vary per person. I can say someone is "queer" and that means different things to people. Being racist to me means a person who believes one race is superior to others. A white nationalist to me is a racist who also is a nationalist, not a globalist, as Bannon proclaims. Thanks. I do, still think, using real names vs anonymous names keeps people held accountable for what they say, and therefore, less people will go to more extreme comments. They can't hide behind their avatar as easily. But yes, you are right, there are still some people who can get really heated on there. But compared to 4chan and twitter, where racism and antisemitism and mysogynany is allowed to thrive? Language that is extremely painful and inducive towards real-world violence like Pizza Gate and now Charlottesville where a protestor was murdered? Would people here been able to do all this when their names are known. Like the neo nazis in charlottesville - now they are being outted, they are starting to cry as they lose their jobs and get kicked out of schools. And that's the power of responsibility for ones actions. Okay, well, I think a blanket apology is the start of the process. And I offered for you to tell me what I did that brought me into this mess. How can I search for USER or comments when I have over 1000 posts on here and you have 463? How long will that take, vs me asking you to tell me? What video did I make? I don't understand, you speak with UK language "apologising" and "behaviour" and yet you are using American unit of feet. Jon Pais, I will repeat this again, ad nauseum: "Whether or not you agree with what a user writes, you should not delete a thread because you disagree with it." The only reason for the deletion of a thread is if it contains hateful language, and or harassment towards a user including threats of rape (for instance, user offering to give me a 30 ft hose and a golf ball in this thread alone), death threats, and personal attacks. Upon deletion, it is good form to alert the user why the thread was deleted personally. That's what a good, mature human being would do. Your actions to me in handling that thread, and now this one, leave me to make judgement that you are not mature enough to handle the responsibilities of moderating, and I hereby ask Andrew Reid to renounce your title. I ask others to see this as well. Whether or not you have been at the receiving end of Jonpais, and hold your own grudges against me, I ask all of you, to review the facts and make a decision. The amount of harassment I have received in this thread alone would be grounds to having a new moderator step in. One, who, Andrew has said, allows interesting discussions to happen and doesn't like posts that contain swear words directedly personally towards a user such as another victim @Axel, who also, probably doesn't appreciate this. @Andrew Reid

Thanks for this - yes even though film has limited dynamic range - it has a really smooth roll off into the highlights, and doesn't have much dynamic range in the shadows which is I look I prefer over, say the alexa, which has a lot of information in the shadows. Yea, not expecting miracles from the DP1x. why not shoot 35mm film ,where 36 shots is only about $40 or so to get developed and scanned? I know its still expensive but overall you get more dynamic range, sharpness, and more accurate skintones and sharpness and speed than a foveon chip. I hope someone else can make the foveon and other non-bayer type cameras work to get to what film can do. Until then, I guess, still an expensive habit. The handling of green is pretty - feels very natural - and painterly - what you shot. And the noise feels very film-like. I'm not too concerned with the low megapixels of the DP 1x - someone did a test against the merrill and said it still resolves fairly well. Yea I didn't want to dip my feet in too deep to start.

I completely agree with you. To be fair, I don't really use this forum as what I consider political activism to a reasonable degree where I will change people's minds on the fence. If you are from USA, I apologize - but if you are not - I could easily go into more detail about Trump being a white nationalist as a more definite statement - starting with his father attending KKK rallies and the hiring of Steve Bannon, a card-carrying white nationalist into the white house. I can post examples of statements Bannon has made that confirm this. Or that Trump watches Alex Jones. Has Trump said anything decidedly racist? Yes, about Mexicans sending their rapists and others, and his disparaging comments about the Latino judge. But I guess what is your definition of a white nationalist? Mine is a person who is racist and believes that European Americans are a superior race to other races. Maybe yours is more resolute - like a person who attends KKK rallies or neo nazi events and does the hitler salute? Jonpais has had several chances to apologize to me personally and publicly. He has chosen not too. Removing him from a volunteer title of moderator I don't think is that harsh of a result of this. I'm sure there is someone else who would be more level-headed. It's mostly just keeping the restaurant moving. The bigger question, though, is why care? The age of forums is for, better or worse, dying. Discussion has moved onto facebook. Which, is in some ways better, I think, in that everyone is using their real names. So they take more responsibility for personal attacks and harassment of other users.

I don't. I'm sorry. Your username is, well, User - it's hard to remember. Is it from the PB stuff or Ebrahim stuff? A lot of people were attacking me. It's hard to remember whom was whom.

The greatest challenge i want to test is magic hour and golden hour before magic hour. I dont think a camera with such limited dynamic range and low iso can handle this. I think, in 99 percent of work...shooting on film is a better idea. Faster film stock. More dynamic range. And just better cameras with optical viewfinders. Now to find a cheap way to scan the negatives that still looks good. I got a good deal on a dp1x im going to test with.

Really well said. I think i have offended user kaylee and jonesy jones here and in the past posts and I apologize. The initial post i wrote was written in haste. I still however will not apologize to jon pais for deleting my post. The act of deletion of a post about a racist and discriminating camera store on a camera forum about speedboosters and diy anamorphic adaptors that many buy our stuff from is not a good move. Deleting anyone or banning anyone is never good. It alienantes people. Furthermore fanning flames and liking posts of harassment and swear words is also not a good thing. I am therefore voting for removing jonpais title of moderator from this cameranerd forum. Anyone else?

Because kaylee is just a username. Could be anyones sockpuppet including ebrahim. Same with user. User whatever grudge you have against me i apologize. Again about my ego...i have an ego. Big deal. A lot of people have egos. About argueing with me is like arguing with a black hole...isnt that the point of debating? You dont change a persons mind but you become stronger in your own beliefs and reasoning skills? Im not here to change your minds. I just here to whine about someone deleting a thread I wrote for no reason and not telling me why...just deleting it. Why not shoot on a red helium or red weapon to get full frame or a7s ii or any other full frame camera. Our linguistic understandings differ. White priveliege to me is a term of self awareness. Activism to me can be as simple as signing a petition. I think maybe you think of activism as work consisting of more than 10 minutes a day of work. Let me know your thoughts? Also im not really a fan of the amira. Nor varicam lt though i havent testsed it personally. About to post a test soon between alexa f65 ursa mini and red helium

I apologize - I was reading this thread on my cell phone, and it's hard to get past the negative commentors and address all the great responses and ideas I see from so many, Yea but I didn't address you. I don't honestly understand why you are a moderator here and yet are into using harassment against a user. Whether or not you agree with me, you should uphold a level of decency as a moderator of a forum. Calling me a girl is a form of immaturity. Andrew trusts you and depends on you for keeping the peace on this forum. Maybe he should reevaluate that. And how am I whining? I stated my belief that you should not be liking posts that encourage harassment and use profanity? Is that whining? How have I complained that, woe is me? Remember, you are the guy who defended a corporation for discriminating against women and black people, and then when I said it was against the law in American since the civil rights act of 1968, you deleted the POST! You deleted a post because it revealed something you may not want other people to see? Or what was your reasoning for deleting the post? Talk about whining. As to my ego, no I'm not here to stroke it entirely even though isn't that what we do when we post a video - we want constructive critism? But mostly on this stuff I'm here to defend my viewpoints, because unlike you User, or Jonesy Jones, or whomever the rest of you are, hiding behind your anonymonity - this is my real name - and my real name and actions have consequences, as you guys pointed out, in the real world for me. For you, User, you may as well be Ebrahim or gosh knows who else. And you can say whatever you want. If you want to actually have some clout, use your real name. And again, the end goal, which is fairly futile, is to do social activism online and in the real world - in places that don't always expect it - because if I get one person out there to start to think about what it means for a company to discriminate against women, that may be a good thing. And all that maybe worth it. But of course, I doubt it. And for the question on a the wide-angle adapter for a helious 52mm lens - why not use a full frame camera instead of a GH5? Or at least the speed booster ultra - and see where that takes you in widening the field of view. I know panasonic made wide-angle adapters back in the dvx100 era - maybe that could work as well.

Why? Did i ask for that? Should i instead let people defend corportions discriminate against people of color and women? Also using my real name is more courageous than hiding behind an anonymous name and swearing a lot. Because as you guys think im risking my job by my thoughts. Oh no- a production company would never hire someone who stands up publically online against domestic abuse and corporate discrimination against women and people of color. Did i mention i work primarily for liberal people who like that i am opinionated. You know other dps who are opinionated? A ton. Also i dont think admin jonpais should be liking posts that are full of swearing and hate towards another member of this forum.

You are completely right ebrahim! Just as you are. We all have a voice here. Thats why eoshd is great. My comments were to the individuals in a post that an admin deleted where an admin and others were defending the corporation of b&h after being found in violation of discrimination against women and people of color. That thread was deleted. I did not mean to offend anyone who was not part of that thread. I apologize to those who i offended.

Great discussion guys. All i was trying to say is camera discussion is a means to an end. The end is using our cameras for positive change. And even a forum about barbie dolls is an act of political choice. To waste our time so the bad people can continue. And yes i need to do more good. And we all can. But priveliedge gives us time to work on craft. And films do change lives. Sometimes. And sometimes they just appeal to people who already believe. Cnn for instance created trump. And artists need to show people how bad he is. We have an opioid and class addiction we need to address. And yes my grammar and spelling needs to be addressed. Love this. Yes dr strangelove and mash were incredibly important acts of art. So is dunkirk. So is making a murderer .

I obsess over image fidelity, skintones, and motion cadence. The latest lens. The latest camera. The image for landscapes and beauty and fashion. And all the while the world continues with war. Looming war with north korea. Potential disputes woth Russia and Pakastan and China. Endless drone strikes. Illegal military operations in Yemen. Civilians dying instantly by drone technology. And with climate change and water shortages. The world economy is failing. Money upon money is increasingly in the realm of loans. The banking industry has not learned its lessons from the 2008 financial crisis and politicians are controlled by donors. But I am removed. I am a good little boy. Tinkering with anamorphic lenses. Vacationing and sitting idly; a luxerious life. But when I do a post here about b and h a photo company that loses lawsuits like some people just get speeding tickets, that constantly abuses workers, via discrimination or other actions, the thread is deleted. Why? This is a forum about toys. Leisure activities, which is important. But constant and endless distraction is also bad. By doing nothing, we allow bad people to continue. And cameras are weapons. Photographs can change the world. So can films. So can words. This pursuit can be used for positive change. We are storytellers, and people watch movies and nonfiction films like no others these days. One of the first questions people ask is, "so what are you watching on netflix?" We have a lot of power, and we should allow discussion of these issues. Of course, this is a forum about technology, but why not let a few posts drift into philosophical issues?

Thanks for this so much - I just ordered the DP2x on ebay - excited to do my own tests against film. 400 iso doesn't look that bad! Highlight roll off is unfortuate - not a smooth flattering curve at all. Your photos are gorgeous!

where can I see some dynamic range charts or tests? I can't find any. Also want to see what it looks like at 200 ISO and 400. More curious about the APS-H model, since a larger sensor, maybe better in low light (at least to get to 400 ISO, that's all I need) Great review here: http://www.exposedmoment.com/2016/09/sigma-sd-quattro-review.html Seems like dynamic range or low light capabilities haven't gone up much - might be better to get the older cameras - really interesting review.

Well CMOS took off because of its increased low-light capabilities. At this point, it is cheaper to get a film camera and shoot film, maybe. Well, resale will help a little on the camera. So maybe the camera is cheaper. Shooting at 200 ISO is not easy for interior work. Nor at night. Limited to T/1.4 lenses. Curious to see how 400 ISO looks.

This is so awesome - really excited to hear about this sensor technology!! The challenge is going to be getting to 800 ASA. If that's possible but yes super excited about this technology. Wish it could be used with other lenses - not just sigma glass How does the older sd15 compare with the new quattro?

there's a facebook group called, "Cinematographer Salon" - if you guys want to be invited let me know - it is pretty honest stuff.

Did someone say "ES" ? Haha, I just went back into that post. Man, I acted like an idiot. Nice one Andrew on this. Expose their biases, man!!! I wonder when ES graduates dental school.