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Yes I realise that, was just laughing at the irony that for my needs the easier to edit 8 bit would be quite handy occasionally. Am looking at the R6 to be able to use all the nice Canon lenses at my work, but feel I would still ending up using my own Fuji and its easy to edit h264 for quick turnaround stuff that doesn't need much grading

Ha neither can the Canon R5 or R6 - wish it did as 10 bit h265 is horrible to edit on my computer. (I understand the new Apple m1 can but I'm on pc). Sometimes I don't need the highest quality or want to transcode - it would be nice if the R5/6 did an 8 bit h264 c-log like the Fuji Xt-3/4 does

Yes I guess the C100 quality is the gold standard that I was hoping for

Thanks yes just found Slashcam tests which confirm what you've just said "In HD, the rolling shutter times are also very close to the values of the 1D X MkIII: We measured around 11.5 ms of 24-60fps, with 100-120fps around 7 ms." They also say this about HD which has kind of put me off the idea.. "However, the camera does not deliver perfect debayering in HD, but some scaling artifacts (e.g. in the circles) come to light. In most cases, it should therefore always make more sense to film in 4K and then downscale the material in post-production to FullHD. Unless you absolutely need the lower rolling shutter times or an extreme slow motion setting with 120fps." Sorry for going off topic in this thread

Sorry but while you're on it, what's the RS on the R6 in full frame HD mode?

For really reliable AF you are stuck with either Sony or Canon. The Sony A7s3 is 3 or 4 times the price of what you already have and in my eyes doesn't have as nice an image of either the pocket 4k or Fuji. Sony A73 is cheaper but limited to 8 bit and similar quality to the a6500 you had Canon R6 is cheaper but still way above the cost of your current cameras and has overheating issues in 4k and again I prefer the image from what you already have. I have had success using the Fuji XT3 with gimbal whilst using AF but that is only a small amount of the time, I don't rely on AF like you want to. Can't think of any decent alternatives other than maybe Nikon Z6 (AF seems ok but am no expert on using auto focus), hopefully other folk will chip in

My friend has the RF f2 85mm and 35mm f1.8 - they are both surprisingly noisy, why are so many of Canon's decent lenses even the new ones so horribly loud when focusing? The only quiet ones I've used are the relatively slow ef-s zooms. Fuji and Sony both have some pretty much silent fast lenses. For all Canon's excellent AF the noise from their lenses is quite disappointing and distracting when in use

Ah ok thanks that's a shame on both counts - the 8 bit flog on the Fuji is really nice to have when I need it, I use Resolve with a few years old Windows pc so always transcode for 10bit h265. Maybe the R5 will be worth the extra if c-log3 does happen, DR is important to me and looks like the RS is also much better than the R6.

Thanks for the feedback, I imagine the 10 bit is a pig to edit without a state of the art computer or by transcoding, at times I may want to bypass this for speed with long form stuff - can you use c-log in 8 bit? A pity they aren't utilising all the DR the camera has with c-log 2 & 3, I hear rumours of it coming in firmware update but I've learnt never to presume anything with these camera companies

What is the hd quality like on the R6 - I keep reading conflicting reports on how usable it is? Would be looking preferablyat how it is in full frame mode. At times I would need to be able to rely on the camera all day so wouldn't want to risk the 4k overheating. If the HD is C100 type quality then I could deal with the overheating and average DR, if it's closer to good old Canon dslr HD then I'm not interested. We have a lot of Canon lenses at work and it would be nice to use them a bit more rather than me always bringing my Fuji in for video stuff

I think all the Japanese companies produce great cameras that create nice looking modern digital video. Nothing wrong with that but it is what it is. To get something that looks a little less clinical and dare I say it film like you need to look at Black Magic or if you have the budget Arri (and RED to some extent). There are a few exceptions such as the Sony F35 but that was a hugely expensive production camera in its day

I had a play with a friends Canon R6 with the new Canon Rf 35mm 1.8 and was really surprised by how noisy it was when focusing on auto - I would have thought if it was designed for video this would be high up the list of design requests. Is what I found with Canon is that for all their great auto focus, the only lenses that didn't make horrible motor noise in AF were the really slow ef-s STM zooms. The Fuji and Sony cameras I've used have some nice fast silent AF lenses, are there any fast ones with Canon I don't know about

This looks better than anything I've seen from the A7s3, promising

No evf again - this is a big annoyance for me personally and I hate that this seems to be the way of the smaller video/cine cameras - C70 has the same omission (although so did the larger Sony fx9, fs7 - those tacked on loupes don't really count). If it has the same image as the fx9 then it could still be an interesting camera, but if it looks like the A7s3 then no thanks, especially if you can't turn NR off

Yep what he said

In my world a few people are using them as a gimbal/b-camera but nobody is willing to risk using it as their main camera.

Of course and if this is your bread and butter work there are cameras cheaper and better suited, I'm sure I can reel off loads of other scenarios where 4k or even hd is more important. But that's missing the point... That's not who this camera is aimed at is all I'm saying. If you want to shoot 12k or even 8k raw without it overheating there aren't many alternatives, and for overall image quality from what I see, this camera is hard to beat for the price

You could film in 12k or even 8k and downscale to 4k - that would get you pristine 4k. Using 4k means zooming in on the sensor and with the smaller pixels is always going to be a bit noisier. I guess my point was it was a test not using the Ursa 12k at anywhere near its best settings

Yes you don't buy the Ursa 12k to then shoot in 4k at high compression rates

But it has no IS and Sony IBIS is not great. Anecdotal but I've read that the AF on the C70 is no better than that of the C200 which from my short test wasn't that great. Canon doesn't seem to be able to put the top AF from their stills cameras into their cinema cameras

https://petapixel.com/2020/10/15/next-fuji-x-t3-firmware-update-will-more-than-double-autofocus-speed/ A little bit of love still for the XT3, AF improvements

What are peoples options for a decent run around zoom with IS? The 17-55mm 2.8 had a big vignette on the c200 and I think will do the same here - it could really do with a version 2. The 18-80mm T4.4 Canon lens is wonderful and has servo but is also expensive. That leaves the good old 24-105mm f4 plus speedbooster (still quite a chunk of money) but then your AF is compromised (only covers 60% I think I read with speedbooster). The 18-135 stm lens is good for outside run n gun but slow and not a very exciting image The RF lenses are all full frame so not wide enough Any decently priced zooms with IS, it seems Canon like Sony have been neglecting s35 on the lens front these last few years?

except an evf... That z-cam looks good but is still a big lump - suddenly you've got hdmi lead, power to think of (and another lead). This little camera is going to become very unwieldly quickly.

What do you do in bright sunlight? My ageing eyes struggle to hold the camera far enough away to be able to focus on a small screen these days but even in my youth I have always much preferred looking through a viewfinder. The way you suggest using the camera is way too low an angle for my liking most of the time And i disagree about it being steadier but anyway don't want to digress too much. Still an exciting camera but I won't be getting one mainly for that reason. The same reason I didn't get an EVA1

This will be horrible for handheld without an evf, waving the camera in front of you like the good old days of dslr. No thanks. So annoying this seems to be the way camera companies are going with their small cameras. Would rather use a mirrorless hybrid and put up with screw on nd filters and audio than that