Ty Harper

Canon R50 is a cheap option. No Clog but HDR PQ is usable and you get Zebras for exposure control. I think it's got a 1 hour record limit and overheating is an issue - BUT if you've got some DIY spirit and are willing to add the thermal pads like this guy did you should be ok. I was actually gna pick one of these up for a trip but just figured I'd save some $$ and go with my stripped down R5C instead.

Yes, you can use TC on top of those crops (s35 and s16) and assign the TC feature to a button on top of the camera for quick punch-ins. It is a f*ckin' game changer for me! And yes, Clog2 is 'available' in RAW mode. As far as R5 MKII vs R5C - have you seen Josh Sattin's comparison tests? Bcuz it really is a toss up between these two. I think the big pro with the R5 MKII for me is the full sized HDMI ports (I refuse to use the micro ones on the R5C bcuz I don't have $1K to replace them) - while the R5C gives you all those Cinema features + longer battery life than the R5 MKII. Also, after using IBIS on an R5 for almost a year - I honestly do not see IBIS as that important compared to DIS. I ended up selling my R5 and buying a second R5C. Both featues are only really good for stationary tripod-like shots imo - and a gimbal is still the way to go for anything else. The used price for an R5C ($2500 USD) vs a used R5 MKII is something worth considering too. All that said I have been pondering for a year now on what my C-cam will be but I've decided to wait to see what Canon puts out this year first (there are rumors of some potentially big reveals in 2025).

Posting in this thread bcuz I doubt it's been mentioned before and I honestly misjudged the usefulness of this new feature. Canon added the teleconverter feature to the R5C last year and while initial reviews/tests concluded that the feature was really only good to 1.5x mag with anything past that (2x, 2.5x, 3x) being deemed not as good - it has been flagged by several R5C users that those conclusions were not accurate. In fact (and I can confirm with my own tests) that the R5C's TC feature produces very good results across the entire magnification range. What matters is that you are exposing properly but also maaybe giving it a bit more light than usual. So now my trusty Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 EF-S has new life with a focal range of 27mm - 264mm with the 3x footage being about as great as the widest end. Anyways, just one more reason this cam continues to be a great hybrid option.

For hybrid cams it's really worth looking into the R5C imo. Almost all of the early issues (including battery life) have been addressed. You can now do 8K RAW internal w/o the need for an external power source. And recently Canon added a teleconverter (with 1.5x, 2x, 2.5x and 3x magnification) feature that is another f*ckin' gamechanger. I can now walk with my trusty old Canon 17-55 f2.8 EF-S and have focal coverage that goes from 27mm to a whopping 264mm if necessary AND the IQ is so good (as long as you are gving it a lot of light). Or clap on my 40mm pancake knowing I got coverage - not just up to 3x mag - but I can also put it in S35 mode and add another 1.6x on top of that! I now have two of these cams with no regrets - so yeah, I'd highly recommend looking into a used R5C, which can be had for $2500 USD in my neck of the woods (Toronto).

Earth will definitely put us in our place in due time. That is inevitable and right fully overshadows everything we're talking about at the moment.

This has been the part I think most people continue to struggle with. We need to get used to the idea of AI achieving something, as an inevitability. Period.

Agreed. 10 years from now even.

Absolutely! I first saw the video via an IG acct so I used Google Images to search for the original video and all I got was what seemed like all the images the image I clipped was trained on.

Yes I'd agree that that is where we are at this moment - but obvi that will eventually change. At the very least I'd think that you won't need as much location shooting, b-roll/alternate shots, human extras, etc.

Stunning.

Longshot here, but anyone have experience with the R50 in hot climates (100F or so)? I'm researching the R50 at the moment for an overseas trip/passion project (can be had for $300USD nowadays!) and I'm wondering: (i) If anyone who has used it in hot (100F or so) conditions can chime in about experiences w/ overheating (like, how much time you've gotten on average when shooting very short - 60 sec or less - clips)? (ii) Given that it only has HDR PQ and no CLOG at all - how does the HDR PQ matches up with other cams (like the R5C, R5, etc) I'm aware that some have successfully added thermal pads to reduce overheating but I'm hoping to not have to do all that! Again, a long shot but any informed opinions are appreciated!

Longshot here, but anyone have experience with the R50 in hot climates (100F or so)? I'm researching the R50 at the moment for an overseas trip/passion project (can be had for $300USD nowadays!) and I'm wondering: (i) If anyone who has used it in hot (100F or so) conditions can chime in about experiences w/ overheating (like, how much time you've gotten on average when shooting very short - 60 sec or less - clips)? (ii) Given that it only has HDR PQ and no CLOG at all - how does the HDR PQ matches up with other cams (like the R5C, R5, etc) I'm aware that some have successfully added thermal pads to reduce overheating but I'm hoping to not have to do all that! Again, a long shot but any informed opinions are appreciated!

Honestly everytime I go to this R7 group on Facebook there's someone new reporting their shutter has died. I was really hoping to pick up an R7 but it seems like the prudent move is to either pickup an R50 and deal with only being able to get 10 bit in its HDR mode or buy a used R6 MKII at double the price of a uses R7. Really surprised this R7 shutter issue hasn't gotten more attention tho.

Case and point: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-to-outsource-low-end-camera-manufacturing/

Something I haven't seen a lot of people discussing about this shift is that the people with the most protection from all of this are the OG cam operators, editors, etc., in unionized spaces (and rightfully so as a lot of them walked so we could fly, etc, etc). But their protection comes in the form of 30-40 years of unionized seniority AND the reality that their severance packages would be way too expensive for companies to even consider shelling out. So as long as they stay creatively hungry and on top of the tech side, they'll be ok. Again, I bear no ill will to these OGs and salute them. But on the other end of the spectrum, it's heartbreaking to see younger video producers in these unionized spaces grappling with a shift they/we all saw coming... it was more a case of them not knowing HOW it would hit them. I mean we just got a bunch of Sony PTZs with the whole shebang of rails and monitors (etc) - and that likely means a bunch of video producers will now be doing waaay more switching and tech-related duties/troubleshooting than actually running a cam. And how knows how long that will last. But yes, it's all pretty sh*tty.

This feels like a quality or quality control issue, tbh. For example, I've had my 5D MKIII for about a decade and my 7D for much longer. I bought both used, still use them, and have never had an issue with the mechanical shutter. Again, they were used when I bought them. So seeing these reports of R7s needing their MS replaced after maaaybe 2.5 years or so tops of use (R7 first dropped June 2022), is just wiiiiild. I mean I'm like you and totally ok not using MS, but I'm thinking of all the owners who have no idea this is a potential issue and are using their MS like they would any other cam. It would also be impossible for Canon to be unaware of this bcuz every owner bringing it up also took it to Canon to get it fixed.

An fyi for anyone on here that owns an R7 or is thinking of picking one up as a B/C/D-cam (as I am). I joined an R7 group recently and there seems to be an ongoing issue with this model's mechanical shutter. The reports of MS failures in this one group alone is unlike anything I've seen/heard before. Particularly for a cam that's only been around for 2 years. This is of course all anecdotal, but as someone who has exclusively bought used Canon cams for well over a decade (7D/5D MKII/MKIII/1DC/R5/R5C) and who has been a member of various groups/forums for these cams in that time, I have never seen this frequency of owners reporting mechanical shutter failures. And again, the cam isn't even 3 years old. Hopefully there will be Youtubers that will do a more in-depth look at this - but at the very least, anyone looking to pick up an R7 should: (i) be prepared to not use its mechanical shutter, (ii) be wary of buying an R7 used and/or w/o an extended warranty that specifically covers the MS. Also, if I was someone who had done a review/deep dive into this cam - I'd be looking into this potential issue further, and seriously considering updating those reviews/deep dives for the sake of my own brand integrity.

An fyi for anyone on here that owns an R7 or is thinking of picking one up as a B/C/D-cam (as I am). I joined an R7 group recently and there seems to be an ongoing issue with this model's mechanical shutter. The reports of MS failures in this one group alone is unlike anything I've seen/heard before. Particularly for a cam that's only been around for 2 years. This is of course all anecdotal, but as someone who has exclusively bought used Canon cams for well over a decade (7D/5D MKII/MKIII/1DC/R5/R5C) and who has been a member of various groups/forums for these cams in that time, I have never seen this frequency of owners reporting mechanical shutter failures. And again, the cam isn't even 3 years old. Hopefully there will be Youtubers that will do a more in-depth look at this - but at the very least, anyone looking to pick up an R7 should: (i) be prepared to not use its mechanical shutter, (ii) be wary of buying an R7 used and/or w/o an extended warranty that specifically covers the MS. Also, if I was someone who had done a review/deep dive into this cam - I'd be looking into this potential issue further, and seriously considering updating those reviews/deep dives for the sake of my own brand integrity.

I'd agree and even though my main cams are two R5Cs, when it comes to photos, I prefer the look of my OG 5D MKIII. ML RAW was my video workhorse for many years but it can't be completely trusted on mission critical shoots. All that said, I sold my 1DC (which def had that mojo imo) and I've thought about getting a 5D MKIV as a compromise between the MKIII but also getting DPAF, but will prob never sell my 5D MKIII.

Interesting, I use FX Lion Nanos as well, lol. Here's the thing tho, I've repeated the quirk I'm describing with two different Kondor Blue D-Tap/Dummy batt cables, on two different Canon R5C units (I own two of them) and two different FX Lion Nano One batts that are two different versions of the Nano One (VI and VII). I actually stumbled on the 90 sec thing after days of troubleshooting why the cam kept shutting off immediately after I connected everything and turned it on. So while my conclusion was drawn from all those tests, there might be something else specific to how I have my cams configured that is causing the quirk but for the life of me I can't think what that would be that it would still show up with that level of consistency in tests with that level of diversity in the tests themselves. The only thing I can think is that maybe its an R5C setting that I used in both cams (??). Either way, thanks to the LP-E6P my D-Tap/V-Mount days are over!

It's a new feature that I think the C400 and C80s have and if you google it it does come up but I think Canon probably underestimates how underwhelmed people are/were by DIS which might explain why it's been under promoted - but at least they're attempting to address it. How I understand it so far is that when you disable the Motion Vector option the cam no longer uses the moving objects in the frame in its image stab calculus, which overall allows for less jerky looking results. I'm hoping a Youtuber like Josh Sattin will do some tests and explain the whole thing tho!

I use the Kondor Blue brand which is great but has a 'quirk' in that when you initially connect it, you need to wait 90 secs or more before you actually turn the camera on. It seems like its a safety measure that allows it to acclimate to the R5C's powering needs w/o blowing the circuits (???). But once you've done that you can turn the cam off/on as much as you want - however, if you disconnect the D-tap from the cam for 90 secs or more, you have to repeat the initial process of connecting and waiting 90 secs, again. Aside from that the Kondor Blue brand has been fantastic and I have two of their D-taps now. All that said, I actually no longer use the D-tap/dummy battery option anymore because Canon's new LP-E6P batteries give you 90 mins on a charge and 3 hours with the OEM grip. So I plan to get 4 or 5 of these new batteries which should be able to last an entire shoot. Particularly if you have a basic remote battery charging strategy (like two portable USB-C chargers connected to a powerbank). The other reason I have moved away from D-tap (and USB-C powering for that matter) is there is still a chance that a faulty cord or something can fry/damage your cam. Using LP-E6P batteries guarantees that will never happen. Anyways hope this helps and good luck! https://kondorblue.com/products/d-tap-to-canon-lpe6-dummy-battery-cable?srsltid=AfmBOor5C5INM2K10rRTMNEXPh0WihRDU0zMYj4UPBkMwHmdOKIm-4Uy

Haven't seen any tests yet nor have I had time to update to this latest FW myself, but early comments from those who have are suggesting that the updates to the R5C's DIS (#7 below) are really good. If true it would be a fantastic addition to an already amazing cam, imo. "1. Enables functions to be used without limitation in conjunction with the new Battery Pack LP-E6P. This makes it possible to shoot 59.94P with RAW LT. 2. Enables the display of the digital tele-converter icon on [Main Recording Displays] of [DISP Level 2]. 3. Adds the ability to apply Full-Screen display to an external display according to OSD Output setting when using [Peripheral Border Display]. 4. Adds function [Tracking by Touch priority] for starting tracking by touching the LCD. 5. Enables the AF Frame and Focus Guide to be moved by dragging. 6. Adds [Protect Images] and [Rating] during FTP Transfer. (Photo Mode) 7. Adds the [Motion Vector For Digital IS] menu option. Default [Disable]* * [Disable]: Prevents a phenomenon that may cause the image to shake along with the subject when recording a subject (such as a person or an animal) with a large amount movement. 8. Changes the menu option name of [PTP Connection/GP-E2] in [USB Mode] in [System Setup] to [Canon App(s)/GP-E2]. For Android devices, please select [Canon App(s)/GP-E2]. 9. Adds support for the RF-Mount Cinema Lens: CN7x17 KAS T/R1 - Support for Magnification chromatic aberration correction. - Support for Peripheral light correction. - Support for Distortion aberration correction. - Displaying T number. - Enables the remote operation from the camera and RC-V100 (Focus/Zoom/Iris). - Enables the remote operation from Browser Remote (Focus/Zoom/Iris). - Enables the zoom operation by joystick on camera body. - Support for Dual Pixel CMOS AF autofocus. - Support for [Dual Pixel Focus Guide]. - Support for [Push Auto Iris] and [Auto Iris]. 10. Fixes minor issues." https://www.usa.canon.com/support/canon-product-advisories/Firmware-Notice-EOS-R5-C-Firmware-Version-1-0-9-1

Haven't seen any tests yet nor have I had time to update to this latest FW myself, but early comments from those who have are suggesting that the updates to the R5C's DIS (#7 below) are really good. If true it would be a fantastic addition to an already amazing cam, imo. "1. Enables functions to be used without limitation in conjunction with the new Battery Pack LP-E6P. This makes it possible to shoot 59.94P with RAW LT. 2. Enables the display of the digital tele-converter icon on [Main Recording Displays] of [DISP Level 2]. 3. Adds the ability to apply Full-Screen display to an external display according to OSD Output setting when using [Peripheral Border Display]. 4. Adds function [Tracking by Touch priority] for starting tracking by touching the LCD. 5. Enables the AF Frame and Focus Guide to be moved by dragging. 6. Adds [Protect Images] and [Rating] during FTP Transfer. (Photo Mode) 7. Adds the [Motion Vector For Digital IS] menu option. Default [Disable]* * [Disable]: Prevents a phenomenon that may cause the image to shake along with the subject when recording a subject (such as a person or an animal) with a large amount movement. 8. Changes the menu option name of [PTP Connection/GP-E2] in [USB Mode] in [System Setup] to [Canon App(s)/GP-E2]. For Android devices, please select [Canon App(s)/GP-E2]. 9. Adds support for the RF-Mount Cinema Lens: CN7x17 KAS T/R1 - Support for Magnification chromatic aberration correction. - Support for Peripheral light correction. - Support for Distortion aberration correction. - Displaying T number. - Enables the remote operation from the camera and RC-V100 (Focus/Zoom/Iris). - Enables the remote operation from Browser Remote (Focus/Zoom/Iris). - Enables the zoom operation by joystick on camera body. - Support for Dual Pixel CMOS AF autofocus. - Support for [Dual Pixel Focus Guide]. - Support for [Push Auto Iris] and [Auto Iris]. 10. Fixes minor issues." https://www.usa.canon.com/support/canon-product-advisories/Firmware-Notice-EOS-R5-C-Firmware-Version-1-0-9-1

The S9 was high on my list of cams to get for a passion project that's taking me overseas - but at $2K, and me actually needing a C-cam to complement my R5C's, it just wasn't in the cards - but it def looks like a great option for anyone looking for something compact.