Ty Harper

I was referring to the EF 70-200mm f/4. The EF 70-2000 f/2.8 was obviously never an option for gimbal use.

For sure! I should've said "more compelling, for some" bcuz alot of people refer the fixed length style. Especially run n gun shooters using a gimbal (which is another reason many have stuck with their EF versions). Personally I prefer fixed - but nowadays I also value an L-level zoom that is pocket-sized (i.e narrow/longer vs thicker/shorter). Also the RF versions end up being similar in length to the EF f/4 version once they're extended. All that to say, I think Canon missed a great opp to make that "narrow-enough to fit in your pocket" style, a continuing part of the appeal of the f4 versions of their 70-200mm L's.

Ah ok - and from what we're learning the MKII version will zoom internally making it even more compelling! That said there's something about being able to easily fit the EF 70-200mm f4 IS in your pocket (bcuz it's so thin) that I love.

You're probably right - but coming from an EF 70-200mm f2.8 IS (MKI, II & III) the EF 70-200 f4 IS is still a massive difference on all fronts (I had no idea it was THAT much smaller than the f/2.8 models) - especially price-wise (picked mine up for like $500 CAD). Can the RF f/4 version fit in your pocket the way the EF f/4 version can?

Feel the same way - but for some reason lots of R5C and C70 shooters swear by it as their go-to workhorse lens.

Totally! The ND adapter never leaves my R5C and the extra stop you get from the .071x adapter really comes in handy (you usually need to put the R5C in 35mm crop mode to use it tho). Also thanks to those adapters, lenses like the OG EF 24-105mm f/4 IS and the 17-55mm EF-S IS have become more popular than ever. Especially with the C70. Personally I just discovered the OG EF 70-200 f4 IS - god it is so f*ckin' light with great IQ. So I ended up selling my OG EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS. Point is, thanks to these adapters - alot of R5C and C70 users in the groups I'm in are rediscovering the EF-L line in a big way.

Funny enough, it's Canon's decision to offer the EF-RF adapters - specifically the ND filter and .071x ones - that has given the EF lens a massive leg up. Currently I have the RF 35mm f/1.8 and I see myself buying the RF 24-70 f/2.8 next - but aside from that I am a happy camper with my EF-L lenses on my R5C and R5. I've also sold my 1DC and 5D MKIII so it's not like I'm ever going back to the EF mount - it's just that Canon has given us a nice lane for RF-EF users, and I love it!

Can't wait to hear what @IronFilm thinks about this!

Except what can happen is that the people working in the realms that are drying up, will be forced into finding work elsewhere - and within that pool will undoubtably be people who are (i) totally qualified to work in these other realms - it's just that they chose to apply the same core skill sets in a different realm within the same industry (ii) people overly qualified to work in these other realms of the same industry who really need the $$. These people will very likely disrupt said realm, intensify the competition, drive fees downward, and eventually squeeze some people out of said realm. Point is, I can totally see cinematographers, tv/film producers, and most definitely preditors (producer/editors) who might've been working for decades in stable areas of the industry (even unionized gigs) - making a fairly quick/easy transition to the wedding world. So while I think you're probably right about that 10 year window - I think every realm needs to be prepared for turbulence - and not just from AI itself, from similarly skilled colleagues looking for work within the next 10 years.

I was a club hip-hip deejay in another life and grew up thinking the record store (like these forums) would always be the community meeting place for all things pertaining to deejay culture. Then the digital revolution came and changed everything. But it didn't happen overnight. We just started going to the record store less and less as it became clearer and clearer that Serato had disrupted the vinyl-spinning era and deejaying as we knew it. Then Serato started added more features that rendered the skill sets deejays had spent their entire careers honing (like beat-matching, beat juggling, transitioning to acapellas etc, etc) and coveting, completely irrelevant. Fast forward almost 20 years later, and now streaming (and soon AI) have made being a deejay super-accessible, but also super hard to monetize, while rooting it in motivations and incentives that share little with what it meant to be a 'real deejay' pre-digital revolution. All that to say that I think what some are feeling/seeing is a similar shift, a transformation, a departure from the online filmmaking/video culture we've been familiar with, to something else.

I think that's the practical assessment, bcuz while the RF line is an improvement (love the 35mm f1.8 and will eventually get the 24-70mm) - I don't know that the percentage to which it is an improvement on the EF line is proportionate to the percentage to which the RF price has increased by compared to the EF versions, much less compared to used EF glass in like-new condition.

@Django my bad, I took your concerns about investing in lenses as you feeling you had to go all in with the RF lenses - but yes, I agree and would argue that Canon offering EF-only specialized adapters has been the thing driving alot of the R5C love and is also possibly the most un-Canon like gesture/strategy we've seen to date, lol

100% true but I cannot stress enough to you just how many R5C users in the forums I'm on are going the EF-L + adapter route and are really loving it (myself included!). If you really need the penultimate IQ, etc, by all means invest in RF-L lenses (and with no judgement either!) but the EF-RF drop-in filter adapter and the .71x speedbooster - coupled with the tumbling price of used EF-L lenses makes that much less of an issue if you already have EF and EF-L glass. There's also a lot of people revisiting lenses like the OG Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 and the EF-S 17-55mm. And while the RF-L lenses definitely give you better AF performance and features - the performance of EF-L glass on the R5C is no slouch at all. It's more a case of EF lenses being really good and the RF lenses being better. Anyways, if you're on FB there are some great R5C/C70 groups worth joining.

Have no idea and I wager most owners don't either, lol - just get an FX-Lion Nano One (or Nano Two) or the Smallrig VB50 or VB99. But this guy does great analysis of the R5C and says Canon has not given any official details about the exact requirements (he discusses all this in the second chapter of this video) - so basically it seems like we just know what works and what doesn't:

And yet he seems to think it's too tripod-like, lol, so I don't even get what he's looking for. To be clear, I agree that the Digital IS on the R5C is nothing to brag about at all. I think handheld it can give you good static shots with seemingly pleasing movement - but even that requires some degree of familiarity with the cam itself (which he didn't seem to have). Point is no one should be buying the R5C for its in-camera stabilization (I keep it off most of the time) - and I'd say the same for the R5 as well. They're both great cams (particularly the R5C which is so feature-rich otherwise, imo!) but as you say, there are cams out there with better stabilization features.

Of course, which is why I made sure to say "imo" and "in my experience".

As he mentions at around the 50sec mark, the Digital IS shines at around 35mm and gives good tripod like shots when hand held, and that's it. In my experience with the R5C and R5, I think IBIS, DIS, etc are really only good for that - and that alone. For everything else you need a gimbal, simple and plain. So in that sense, imo, I don't think the R5's IBIS is a feature that gives it much of an advantage over the R5C's DIS as they both can give you good handheld static shots. If I had fully understood this I probably would've saved up for another used R5C instead of buying the R5.

I picked one up recently and really hope they drop the 30 minutes limit in the next FW update. As for exposure tools there are Zebras which I found to be pretty useful in run n gun situations!

Again, no one on the picket line or in positions of power within these related protests are trying to prevent AI's use persay, nor is anyone naive enough to think it can be stopped - it's just common sense that when you see something like a tsunami coming that you do everything in your power to protect/prepare yourself. There are infinite versions of this story that feature humans en masse benefitting from AI tech without the savagery being exhibited by the big corps in terms of what they have been willing to offer actors so far. Yes, the vast majority of those alternate/more equitable scenarios would require a completely different economic system - but they do and have existed. Some long before the system we're in right now. But again, no need to be naive about all of this - capitalism is gonna capitalism - and so while the deals unions across the human work force will broker with corps in the months and years to come will likely be temporary stop-gaps - they will give those who benefit from union protections, a bit of breathing room to prepare for the inevitable changes coming to their respective industries.

I don't know any critical, reputable analysis of AI that disputes how amazing the tech is, in and of itself. The entirety of the convo, union protests, etc, isn't about that at all. It's about protecting the human labor (labor used to power AI tech) from the big corps who have and will continue to use the transformative potential of AI to lay waste to much of the human workforce as we now know it... and not just in the film and arts and entertainment world, but ALL jobs across ALL sectors - including the jobs of the everyday consumers of AI, who won't grasp the larger implications for their own job security until it's too late. As a producer covering this story every week since Chat GPT began to get traction - it's kind of been like watching a reporter in Manhattan covering a tsunami happening in Buffalo - with a tone of awe (even child-like glee) that seems oblivious to the fact that the tsunami is coming their way. So unless people on this site have immense personal wealth and/or really really great pensions - I am definitely a bit concerned about the seemingly one-sided tone on here too.

@Andrew Reid I think AI will never EVER replace our DESIRE to make art. But as a tool placed in the hands of corporate interests, it will definitely remove art made by humans from the corporate art/entertainment business equation/model - or at the very least minimize it to the point of being irrelevant. Put differently: Is there a world where AI is used as a tool to HELP humans create their art? Yes of course and it's already happening. But, that is separate from the world corporate interests envision, where human creatives are more expendable than ever before (as is being revealed in the ongoing negotiations happening in Hollywood right now). That is literally the battle the WGA and actors are fighting for at this moment. And it is a tsunami of a fight coming to literally every realm of the workforce, and is setting the tone for every union (including my own) hitting the bargaining table in the months and years to come. Again AI is a tool that can and will help artists make their art - but it will be interesting to say the least, what monetizing that art will look like for humans in the coming decades. I think there will definitely be a window where human creators (particularly freelance/indie ones) will be able to make some really nice coin using AI if they hop on the AI bandwagon pronto. But I think that is less of a new career path and very much a temporary window that will close as the AI they are using continues to 'learn' and get better from them using it. And the better the AI gets, the more likely consumers will develop a stronger appetite for AI driven content - and the more likely human creators will be erased from the business equation/model. I mean I've watched the Spiderverse films and shows like 'Arcane' - and for the first time ever, I felt like I could (as a critical thinking, media-literate/aware consumer) enjoy a world where the bulk of what I watched was animated (regardless of genre!). That is why I whole heartedly tip my hat off to Tom Cruise for literally risking his life jumping off cliffs, and engaging in a actual seemingly impossible mission of trying to save big screen live-action films as we've known them up to this point. All that said, I hope I'm so wrong about all of this that I look back at this post in the years to come, and shake my head with utter disbelief, and a massive sigh of relief.

Don't have time to read the article right now but I'm hoping the title is meant to be sarcastic, lol.

True. I didn't think of those owners who bought the R5C strictly for the 8K RAW.

The battery issue is a thing of the past imo. Now it's pretty much on par with any Canon DSLR - and this is what I'm getting with 2 oem LPE6NH batteries in the oem grip.

Yes, an updated version is supposed to be made available Friday June 30th.