Jimmy

It seems people always forget that not everyone here is making narrative work.

My income is largely generated by shooting landscapes around the world.... High ISO is very important, to me. 

I can add 4k and a great monitor for $1600. I am a very happy A7s user. When the A7s ii comes out... I will take the hit selling the cam and upgrade.

I just think of buying these cams as a lease... I lose cash each year by trading up... But get the latest tech, that makes me the money to be able to take that financial hit

Like all the other full frame, 4k cams for under $2500?

​Would you honestly prefer to shoot 4K with 10 stops over 1080p with 12 stops?

​You have access to the 4K files? Nice, the rest of us only saw a 720p version, compressed to YouTube... What about the behind the scenes video, where they clearly demonstrate insane levels of DR in the highlights? What about the part of the video where they said they graded it to fit the heist genre?

Put simply, when you have one 720p video that has been heavily graded to suit one colourist's style, you would be crazy to use that as anything close to a definitive idea of what that camera can do.

I do wonder if Canon/Blackmagic had accidentally uploaded the wrong video to each of their accounts... Would some here have claimed the opposite video was better, due to some pre-existing idea of what they think will be wrong with Canon/BM footage

If it could drop lower than ISO 200, that could be great, even at the expense of DR.

ISO 50 could make life a bit easier, without NDs.

Does the colour match your macbook screen?

I find it a complete bitch to match colours with apple and non apple screens. I have an LG with Adobe software and the calibration never, ever matches.

Has anyone confirmed the max. ISO is 1600?

​I love how all the oldbies are rushing on here to blast Canon's every move. Even idle rumor and gossip.

If the 5D mk IV "only" gets great 1080p with C-log.... It is still a big step ahead of Nikon and will likely be ahead of Panasonic and Sony, on overall image quality.

It is not an A cam, but it will be great as a drone/action cam within a film.

Can't work out why people are not seeing this? 12 stops, 4:2:2, 4K in a body not much bigger than a gopro.... If someone makes a gimbal for this, it'll be quality,

Agree completely. At first, it made no sense to me, as it seemed about GH4 size... But it is quite a bit smaller, when stripped down for drone use. Add 12 stops and 4:2:2 at 4k and it starts to make sense.

The IQ looks really nice, the one thing that paper specs can never measure.

Bit of an ass backwards workaround... But if i need to take a still, i usually set the camera to 3 second timelapse and let it take a few shots.

re: XC10

Is no one else seeing creative possibilities?

If you want to strap a "cheap" 4K camera onto drone, car, gimbal (or pool cue!) what are the options, right now? Especially if you need good image, AF and IS. NX1 is pretty heavy, GH4 doesn't have any IS or good AF... Neither have 12 stops (V-log might change that).

The idea that it is just some badly thought out ENG camera leaves me scratching my head a bit.... It is clearly meant to be a bigger GoPro/crash cam, for people who care about image quality.

Yea, the XC10 is clearly meant as a high quality, 4K C/crash cam. When you think of the sort of shots that the GoPro tends to get used for in a production setting.... low light and shallow DOF are not really a factor.

I wouldn't imagine so.... The HDMI will have more or less the same detail, in FF

that would require a complete rethink though (unless you mean a 16mm cut of the sensor?)

S35 into BMPC would seem possible with little effort

Who here would like to see a BMPC with the new sensor? I imagine it would be restricted to 30fps, due to the internal hardware... But I bet they would still sell like crazy at around $3k?

Grant Petty, if you're listening, there are alot of us that don't need the bells and whistles on the Ursa and Ursa mini.... I think it could be a hit.

What do you think?

I haven't tested external yet, but if you change to S35 mode, the 50p is really nicely detailed.

Can't really see much use for the old sensor... But as the sensor line progresses, it might be worth thinking about big Ursa.... Would be great to have an ultra low light sensor, HDR sensor, high fps 1080p sensor.. etc that are hot swappable.

I always thought RED missed a trick with the whole plug and play system by not having the sensor user upgradable. I'm sure there are limits to the Ursa system, but I could see 2-3 more sensors before a new body is required.

and then you got obsessed and failed to recognise that there are two sides to every story, a worrying trait for a filmmaker.

I wonder if the majority of highlights people are finding ugly are in the flashback shots, which are highly stylised?

The highlight recovery at 8:17 is madness.

There are usually plenty on eBay... I love mine... It is the only camera I haven't sold or exchanged over the last few years. My jaw always drops when I get the raw footage into After Effects. It is packed in my bag, ready for a trip to Portugal on Friday, along with the A7s.

Worth a watch..... the latitude is clearly there, to say otherwise is just bizarre (watch the edit room section). They purposefully did a grade to fit the genre.... I would wait for a few more videos before making claims about highlight rolloff.

​and 120fps at 4.6K!

I need to see one first hand though, the mini probably suits my needs better.... But at these prices, having two becomes an option if I have a firesale. Ursa for 2+ man work.... Mini for single shooter.

Thanks guys..... This was my thinking.... Buy an Ursa now, get some time with it shooting 4K, upgrade when the new sensor starts shipping. Sounds like they have it mapped out nicely.