markr041

Yes, but in the Sony's it is prior to compression, and in fact there are many parameters that one can change with respect to "sharpening." It is not just one slider up or down to sharpen.

Thanks, that is helpful (unlike "etiquette"), though I take labels seriously; it's ok if you don't, but it will confuse people when labels are used any which way. Neutral is called a Creative Style in the Sony menus and manuals. It's completely arbitrary, I agree.

Are you objecting to the word "heck"? or what?

I think there is confusion over what "sharpening" does and what real resolution is. Sharpening will thicken lines so they stand out. This thickening can therefore actually reduce resolution by obscuring fine lines that are close together. The RX100 IV has excess sharpening, which actually makes the default resolution lower than what it is capable of. The NX1 uses much less artificial sharpening than most cameras in default. Its real resolution capability is significantly better than that of any Sony camera. The default NX1 resolution is great. To get the most out of the Sony's you probably have to dial down sharpening.

First, "Neutral" is not a Picture Profile. Second, if you put a film scan overlay on top, how can we tell what your settings look like? What the heck does a "film scan overlay" do? Why do you use it?

"It is hard to get skin to not look kind of dead on the Sony cameras. It has this white look, and if you warm up the scene, all of the other colors go crazy." I do not understand this comment - what Picture Profile is being used (gamma, color gamut)? Do all of you realize that in Standard mode (and PP1) there is a very pronounced blue bias? That this bias is not there in PP4 (REC709 gamma and gamut)? More importantly, you can control in camera - before any compression - an incredible number of color parameters, sharpness controls, curves? Are you settling for Sony's defaults and then trying to correct them using a compressed 8-bit 4:2:0 video? Of course that will not work very well. Perhaps with log it is ok, but anything else, why not try the in-camera controls? Sure it is easier to edit in software, but then you face the limits of heavy compression, 8-bit etc.

I play videos on Vimeo all the time. I have no problem selecting the resolution by clicking 'HD'. I have "requested" both 1080 and 4K, and it plays the clip the way I want.

In the sky in the second clip that is "graded" clip there is an absolutely horrible band of colored noise in the sky (upper left). I got the same result when I used the official Sony REC709 LUT from Sony Catalyst (which automatically recognizes the clip as S log 3). This is totally unacceptable.

Here is an example of why I think DIS is such an important breakthrough. This is a video of close-ups of insect life on flowers, shot with a 90mm (35mm-equivalent) macro lens handheld. You cannot efficiently shoot dragonflies, butterflies and bees at work with tripods - these insects move around and you have to "capture" them opportunistically - you have to be able to move after them with camera and shoot while they are in place. Without stabilization, the close-up video would be unwatchable - way too jitter and shaky. Well, here is what you can get using the NX1 with DIS and OIS combined:

Is not supported in Samsung S5.

Here is another 4K video test of DIS using a lens with any OIS, of subjects up close and stationary: https://vimeo.com/137292905 The first clip in each scene has DIS turned off.

Here's another handheld comparison, with the NX 16-50mm S lens, using clip sequencing not splitting (first OIS only, then OIS+DIS): https://vimeo.com/137058534 This is a new feature. It needs experimentation to see when it is useful, and when not. It is useful even if you have OIS - maybe more useful.

Shot handheld with DIS + OIS; NX 16-50mm S lens. https://vimeo.com/136972283

1. It is amazing. Massively reduces jitters and rs. And I see no degradation. There is a slight crop, indicating the camera is still sampling from almost the whole sensor even with DIS to get UHD video. 2. Yes, works with any lens. There are videos using DIS with manual lenses, and it works fine. Now, there is a penalty that I have seen: If the subject is moving, say in the wind, the DIS algorithm will try to keep the subject in place. Effectively, if the subject (say, a flower), is moving up and down the clip makes it look like the camera is following the flower movements! But other than that, the Samsung DIS seems as good as IBIS, maybe better for video. This feature was an utter surprise, and a real breakthrough.

You still do not understand. Everyone is fully aware that placing a 4K video on a 1080 timeline does not soften the image, it just loses resolution, which is irrelevant if delivering in FullHD. Great. And 4K video allows lots of interesting options for HD delivered video; well known. However, this is not relevant to the fact that uniquely the NX500 has a big crop of the image in 4K, so it acts like a teleconverter without any resolution loss, which was your point and the topic of this thread (look again). The point is the softness I was referring to and questioning was due to your shooting with sharpness at -10 (You said: "I had the sharpness at -10"), which does soften the image whatever the delivery resolution. And, indeed, your posted video is conspicuously soft. And you still refuse to explain why you softened the image so radically. You posted a video purporting to demonstrate the advantage of the 4K crop (good!), but you decided to shoot it with sharpness turned all the way down. I posted a 4K crop that did not reduce sharpness lest people think that the NX500 delivered soft video because of the crop (how would they be able to know that with your softened image?). My point was and is your soft image is not a useful, and is perhaps a misleading, example of the 4K crop, because you also radically softened it. You could very well have a good reason for this even though I cannot think of one. So, now I hope you understand, and the question still remains why did you deliberately soften the image? What possible advantage is there? And what does it have to do with the technique of taking advantage of cropped 4K? Btw, when you shot your fashion show video (which I liked), did you shoot it with sharpness set at -10?

I am sorry you missed the point, and mistake questioning for hostility and competition. You invited people to try out the crop. I had done that (please read your original post). I shot with an NX500 (same camera as the OP - you) but without reducing sharpness, and it's of birds at the long end of a telephoto. So one can compare it to a purposefully softened shot of birds that was posted. Indeed, you can download my original 4K video and blow it up to a FullHD video if you are really interested to get the 1000m equivalent (I share my videos) that does not lose detail due to artificial softness. Why do you think posting a comparable clip is a competition? I "shared" a comparable video that was not purposely dulled. What I expected was someone to say "See, look at how artificial your video is compared to the softened one." Or, "You are right, it is interesting to see feather detail, and I do not understand why one would want to lose that and the NX500 4K crop clearly does not lose detail." I asked why one would want a soft video. Neither the NX1 nor the NX500 produce artifact-ridden falsely sharpened video at default settings; so I ask again, what is the point of softening to lose real detail? Calling a soft video soft is not hostility since it was clearly not done mistakenly, it is an observation. Feel free to call mine falsely detailed, if you think so. I love the idea of exploiting the crop to get up close that is the topic of this thread, and the well-exposed parrot clip is a great example, if it were not deliberately mushed up. It thus confuses how well the NX500 cropping works, the point of this thread, because of the radical softening choice. And the issue of how well NX1 and NX500 video meld together is also an interesting question, but was not the OP. In any case I do not see how either calls for eliminating detail. Look at the OP and the thread title; it is about the advantage of the NX500 crop. And then the example given is some very soft video where the softening has nothing to do with the crop. I provided an example not softened artificially so no one thinks the crop is what caused the mush.

Well, you succeeded in making a very soft-looking video. Why would you want that? It is interesting to view feather details on birds, and not interesting to see mush. Most people who shoot soft then sharpen in post, though for the NX500 and NX1 I do not see the merit in that either, given the minimal artifacts from the camera. I like the idea of thinking of the 4K crop as providing telephoto opportunities, though I prefer to stay with 4K. Here is my shot of birds using effectively a 500mm lens, from the NX500: https://vimeo.com/127099564 Perhaps this has too much detail for your taste...

Yes, many people don't appreciate the advantages of the crop. Here ar two videos taking advantage, shot in UHD using the 50-200mm lens at the long end (=550mm!): https://vimeo.com/127099564 https://vimeo.com/127889416

The only stat that matters for the card is the video bitrate. The highest NX500 bitrate is 70 Mbps (<10 Megabytes per second), regardless of whether you are shooting HD, UHD, or 4K. Your card has a nominal 95 megabytes per second, not megabits per second, spec. That spec stat is meaningless, as it could be the read rate or "maximum" read rate. What matters are sustained write rates. The u3 rating provides a minimum sustained write rate standard. It is sufficient for the max bitrate of the camera.

No, you can also shoot 24p in UHD (in NTSC or PAL mode).

​Blackmagic!

​Yes, unlike Nikon or Sony or Panasonic or Canon... Really? You are complaining about Samsung updates? Not quick enough? Not enough major changes. Amazing. I agree with the notion there are some more things Samsung could do, but that is true in spades for all the other camera manufacturers.

​Nothing you said is about the "quality" of the video not being "delivered." The 4K video is superb, and the firmware update upped the H265 bitrate to almost the same as the NX1 (70 Mbps, again, HEVC)). The crop in 4K can be advantageous - the 16-50mm kit lens gives you a compact 135mm telephoto at the long end - absolutely great for candids of people; the 200mm zoom gives you a 525mm telephoto. The form factor is great, and AMOLED lcd enables easy viewing even in bright sun - you have to try it to know this. There is no compromise in video quality after the latest firmware update. I do miss the focus peaking in video mode.