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Now, tests of Dynamic Active Stabilization Slowed 2X (from 4K 60P) in a 4K 30P video + Clear Image Zoom with a power zoom lens - the AI-assisted capabilities of the ZV E1. Climbing a hill and other moves.

The fx30 is a good video camera. And 60 fps enables high shutter speeds for both good motion in video and stop-action for stills. But it would seem the ideal cameras for taking stills from video frames and shooting videos are the Nikon Z8 and Z9, which can shoot 8K RAW 60p.

I am glad you enjoyed the back and forth. 🙂 But I find it not so amusing, and have reached out personally to stop it, me included.

No, the X3000 has IBIS - sensor stabilization. I assume you know the difference, you just are ignorant about the camera you actually own! Let me be clear: I have not gotten OIS and IBIS confused. I am glad you found out your mistake on your own after you posted your ignorant accusation. It is too bad you cannot on this site remove a post. You need to refrain from posting when you do not know what you are talking about. 🙂 And you certainly should not accuse others of that sin given your behavior.

So you accused me of not knowing the difference between OIS and IBIS. And now you see that the X3000 has IBIS. I am glad you admitted your mistake (the B&H page on this camera makes the same mistake). That you rushed to accuse me of ignorance reveals what you are about. You do not need to apologize. But, since you did not I will directly reply to your accusation. Your fuzzy, shaky video does not refute the claim that any IBIS alone can beat what the ZV E1 can do. Your little video clip is shakier, with shakiness hidden by low resolution and underexposure. I appreciate your trying to refute, as I said. I did add that I forgot about this camera, which have used!, and that it is easier to stabilize with IBIS a small sensor, which is fact, not an evasion. Now you are making statements about my motivations for posting a video. "pet" camera! All I did was to post a video demonstrating what the ZV E1 camera can do without a gimbal and added some enthusiastic hyperbole, which you are yet to refute, though, again, I appreciate you tried and actually posted a video. You simply cannot stop making personal attacks. You want to examine your behavior, and your agenda. That is my gratuitous advice to you.

I agree that it is not as good as what the GoPro can do. That is the gold standard.

Thanks for the gratuitous advice. I guess you don't understand scientific method. And also need to loosen up when there is hyperbole. You way overreacte, and you should think why. Here is what you do not understand: You can *disprove* my statement that no camera with IBIS can match the ZV E1 stabilization by simply uploading a moving-camera video using only IBIS that is just as good. Simple. That was exactly my challenge to you. And, after your rant, you did just that. Good! The Sony X3000 does indeed have IBIS and that camera-moving clip looks pretty good, but not as good as my ZV E1 video Nice try. I have used that camera too, and forgot about it. I of course was thinking about serious cameras that people generally discuss here. But, yes, with a tiny-enough sensor IBIS can work pretty well, as you show. The ZV E1 has a full-frame sensor. Here is my gratuitous advice to you: no matter how annoying a post is to YOU, that does not give you license to provide personal criticism. There is no excuse for ugly posts no matter what. Stick to what you think you know about technical aspects of cameras (which I have learned from). And post more videos. One has to be very brave to post videos here, given the incredible defensiveness and arrogance and pretentiousness that sometimes pops up (the hate for 60 fps was amazing).

Not a travel video, not test shots of people, not reportage. Just a video that exploits the features of the camera - like superb AI AF for people, good audio, good stabilization, wide DR, full-frame subject isolation, and par focal zoom - to depict activities in a place: Gaming and performances in a public place.

I agree that slowed down will help smooth, and 60p helps at normal motion (which is why 60p is preferred for capturing motion for non-fantasy use (movies)). I agree that DAS does not replace a gimbal for videos that entail constant movement (i.e., hack real estate use). Good for adding some motion to a video. But the sneering "couple of feet" is wrong, as is demonstrated. In any case long, moving shots are boring anyway. Better technique will make it even better.

I don't "say so". I show. Less talk. So, post your video demonstrating that you can walk and shoot without a gimbal on any other ILC camera using OIS alone (with no head blocking the scene like a YouTuber shill). You did say "almost" as good. That does mean *less* good, right? You don't have to post a video. But, it is really easy to make claims.

No stabilization in post, no gimbal. I need more practice, but this is promising. No camera with IBIS can do this. Yes, there is a crop.

The ZV E1 is a great travel camera: The Zeiss 24-70 lens is the ONLY Sony 24-70 or 20-70 lens that is parfocal (not the GMaster or the new 20-70 G). The very last clip of this video was shot at ISO 12,800 in the dark Union station. I do not see anything "mushy." Is this another exaggerated obsession, like with overheating? 🙂

I dont think anyone in this thread is talking about creative use of the zv e1, except the guy who posts actual videos from it, whatever their worth. Putting a zv e1 on a tripod, pressing the record button, and leaving the camera on is not a "creative" use of the camera. Get it? It is a use for sure. So would using the camera as a hammer. Whatever you like. I reacted to the continued posts about overheating. Each camera has a best use and a worst use. I emphasized the best use. You can guess what I think is the worst. But if that's what people want to do, just great! Go for it.

Yes, anyone using a camera for a purpose not intended by camera design should be banned. It is a sin to to misuse a camera beyond its capacity. Those who do this are obviously incompetent or stupid, and don't understand the basics of videography. Or cannot afford real cinema cameras because they are mediocre professionals. This site is only about following manufacturer's instructions and benchmarking camera specs. All discussions of film making should be deleted. [Attacks on posted videos or posters are ok, as long as they make the poster feel better about himself.] Any other straw man you guys want to attack? Seriously, It is actually fun to push a camera to its limits, and to find creative ways to make use of any camera beyond the ordinary. Maybe we should have a thread devoted to creative uses of cheap, consumer cams for professional video. It would be very interesting. As long as people stop being pretentious and sanctimonious.

The 28-60 has no OSS. The 24-70 has OSS, so in principle, if they coordinate, there should be more stability with IBIS. I use Active Stabilization for static shots, reserving dynamic stabilization for moving with the camera. I have not tried that (yet) with the Zeiss/Sony lens.

The ZV E1, paired with a good lens, like the Zeiss 24-70 f4, does really provide a nice image. And that sticky tracking focus assisted by AI really works and is needed here (the dancer moving and turning, for example). Here is Hare Krisha at Washington Square Park. Oh, and the audio quality of the camera is above the usual.

Terrific post. I just want to add something that I think is overlooked - the ZV E1 is not a cheap fx3, it is a miniatured fx3. and that miniaturization, which makes the camera ideal for travel, is what has led to the compromises that some people hate - the single card slot, the lack of a viewfinder, the micro HDMI slot, and overheating. All these are directly due to keeping the camera small. It is physics, not some cripple hammer marketing ploy. Thus, pleading with Sony to "improve" on these shortcomings is fruitless, with current technology. When the chips are more efficient, overheating will go away even for a small form-factor camera. But unless there is a new storage standard - nano sd cards? - adding another slot without adding bulk seems impossible. And, as was said, there are bonus features over and above the capability of all the cinema line cameras due to the AI chip - the sticky tracking focus that allows people who turn their backs on the videographer to stay in focus - mere eye detection cannot stay in focus if people turn their heads. CIZ is also better, and there is dynamic active stabilization so that for the first time with any full-frame camera you can walk and shoot without a gimbal, with little resolution loss despite the crop (CIZ).

Really, this about film-making? This thread is about a specific camera, and what it can do and what it cannot. And what it cannot do is shoot long takes in 4K at 60 fps. It overheats. You think it is a good idea to use a compact camera with heat issues and a noisy external fan for taking long clips when there is an obviously better alternative? I guess you are right, as a film maker. And the camera has one card slot. You want to bet your advance on using such a camera for a client? "Film making". Seriously, making a "film" with a ZV E1 for static long takes? It's a great travel camera for video. Tested. But, film-making! Really? Btw, I liked the discussion on sensors and processors and color science and dynamic range. Useful. If you disagree with an argument, sarcasm is not useful.

Ok, feel good now about your comment on my videos? Think this makes your defense of using a fan to make the ZV E1 a strap-down long-video camera more credible? I thought it was a joke. But you are actually so lacking resources for what you do professionally that you are serious? It must be very frustrating to be so unsuccessful in life that you cannot afford an fx3 when it is evident you need one. I don't actually think you cannot afford whatever eqipment you need, and you are just being contrarian, right? I would love to shoot a bts video of the fan technique, but it would be embarrassing, and I never shoot anyone to embarrass them. Meanwhile, I will enjoy making random videos of random people, whether some like them or not. With suitable equipment.

I was being ironic with the term boring (although I did have one poster in one forum constantly stating that for every one of my videos!). I just wanted not to appear to be saying my videos are superior in any way. They are just examples exploiting the key features of the ZV E1, like them or not. My point is merely that the ZV E1's key feature is portability (small size, best-in-class stabilization for movement), and mounting it on a tripod in any temperature is not its intended use (despite what Sony marketing is trying to say). The obsession with overheating seems to arise from use of the camera for which it is not suited, and one can get exactly the same quality from an available alternative - the fx3, which has a fan - for long static takes in any environment. I get such video has an important purpose, but I also get that that purpose is exactly not what the ZV E1 is for. Do NOT purchase or rent the ZV E1 for static long takes of 4K 60p video. Save the money you would have spent on fans and other cooling devices for an fx3 if you like the look of the ZV E1. You do not need Dynamic Active Stabilization or compactness, although you will miss AI-assisted tracking (which is really better than the tracking on the fx3).

I am not the "one person" who does not understand the different uses of cameras and techniques. What I do not understand is why anyone thinks this camera is suited for mounting on a tripod and shooting video for an hour. Nothing wrong with the use, what is wrong is thinking this camera is at all suited for this purpose. Get over it already. It is not. There is no point acquiring a camera whose most important feature is compactness for mounting on a tripod and shooting video for an hour. Obviously. Get an fx3 and be done with it, already. The ZV E1 camera is for portability, handheld use. For relatively short takes; not 5 seconds, but not 10 minutes either. In any temperature. Would I prioritize the camera in non-pathetic 105 F temperature? No.

Cell phones for video serve their purpose, and are now pretty-good quality. And, a vertical video sometimes makes the best sense: This video had 1800 views within one hour. Looks great on a cellphone held normally... And, for a romantic walk around a lake, a cellphone can come in handy when video-taking is not the point:

Seriously, guys. Overheating? Do you take long, boring takes from one position? That's what you shoot? I have shot short boring takes in all sorts of hot, muggy conditions and the camera did not even get warm. Anyway, for the first bright sunny day since I acquired the camera, I used the upgraded Sony FE 24-105 G lens to shoot an HDR video. New lens firmware, out last November, is alleged to have improved stabilization coordination with the A7R V - but since the ZV E1 has the exact same processors as that camera, I thought I would try the lens out. And no overheating. I guess I have to keep saying this...

Likely my last travel video from China. The small camera was a success, in not attracting attention, not overheating, and grabbing high-quality images.

The Wetlands of Hangzhou: The kit lens. 87 degrees F. No overheating.