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fx30 for event coverage: Or is this a narrative film?

IBIS beyond 100mm is not very effective (still works). And, of course, you lose information and resolution (crop) with Catalyst. No OSS is a real issue. Not saying it is a dealbreaker.

No OSS, right? So, no handheld video with this lens (which is enormous anyway).

Sony fx3 with Sony E 18-135 lens in 4K 60p. Shot in Slog3 All-I.

I am sorry, I will not cripple motion for people like you who judge a look solely by archaic motion. And the fact that the silly Sony camera made for vloggers on YouTube does this might actually be cause for you to rethink your judgement. It is ludicrous to say the video has a soap opera camcorder look. Did you learn this in film school? - "the dreaded soap opera look". Give me a break.

Using Alister Chapman's "Blockbuster" LUT to make a video cinematic: Shot in Slog3, SGamut3.cine, All-I. What is not cinematic is using 60p. But I do not think this looks like a soap opera video... It's teal and orange.

Yes, the fx30 120p 4K is noisy because of the crop. fx3 120p 4K has no increased noise, no crop, is great, and has IBIS.

Handheld, with active stabilization. ISO 800, shutter at 1/125th. Slog3 Sgamut.cine. VND.

Yes, great run n' un. Great stabilization and AF. And compact. All-I Sog3 4K 60P: And the cheap Sony E 18-135mm lens behaves as if par focal.

Thanks for the information on Cine EI. What you said about the fx30 that I was referring to was this: "Tons of noise in the shadows, especially at high frame rates." That is specifically about the fx30 120 fps 4K, which is far worse in noise than lower frame rates on the fx30, including 60 fps (which is considered high also), because it is a 1:1 crop. And yes, if you are going to compare noise, then you need to take into account the amount of noise reduction. We agree that less noise reduction is good, and that is what the fx30 has. Breathing comp and AF have nothing to do with the sensor. You do not know that the fx30 and the ZV E1 have the same processors or chips (hardware) as the a7siii (Sony processor names are not informative). And note that the fx3, which does have exactly the same sensor and processors as the a7siii, did not get the updates for breathing compensation or AF either. That gives us a clue. And, again, the other features of the ZV E1 are silly; no serious videographer would use cropped, resolution-lossy, automatic framing! Hardware differences may be an old excuse, but that does not make it incorrect. You are "sounding like" a Sony hater (I do not think you are, but I am giving you a taste of what it is like to name call like you did - "Sony apologist" - really?). Given that I shoot with Canon and Sony and Panasonic and Blackmagic and even GoPro, I do not give a damn about manufacturers. And sure, I would like updates to older cameras too. But some of those are pipe dreams.

You are confounding the new fx30 and firmware updates for the fx3. The fx3 does not have breathing compensation nor improved AF from firmware upgrades special to it. It does not have less noise reduction via firmware updates either. These non additions to the fx3, but features of the fx30, suggest they are not possible for updating the a7siii either. These fx30 added features is not evidence of Sony holding back on firmware updates for older cameras with different hardware. The fx30 is not the same hardware as the fx3 or the a7siii. It is a new model. So, the better AF and breathing compensation that it has may require different hardware, so that no firmware upgrade is possible. fx3 cameras did not get these fx30 features. I think it was you who claimed the fx30 was noisier and thus much inferior in low light to the fx3. Now you are saying less noise reduction is a desirable feature of the fx30? Yes, the smaller sensor/pixels of the fx30 do make it inherently noisier, but for the same NR, not so very much different in most situations. 4K 120p is definitely significantly noisier, but that is because the fx30 uses a 1:1 crop of the sensor in that mode, unlike 4K up through 60 fps, and those smaller pixels then matter. I don't understand how Cine El improves images, it is just a way to shoot. Base ISO and how you use it matters, but that can be done with the a7siii, just less easily. Do you understand how you can get better Slog3 image quality from the same sensor, processor, gamma, gamut, and base ISO from the fx3 compared to the a7siii? Finally, baking in LUTs is indeed a new firmware feature of the fx3. But hardly one meriting all the whining. And, yes, firmware updates are always good, but not always important, or possible for adding certain features given hardware constraints, as we have seen.

The a7siii is a hybrid camera that takes great video. But, it is not a video camera - most importantly, it overheats at high video frame rates especially. Its ergonomics are exactly the same as Sony stills cameras. If you want a video camera from Sony with the same innards, you have the fx3, which does not overheat and which has ergonomics - hardware - better suited to video. Is this unfair to abandon the hybrid camera in terms of video upgrades? Maybe. But what are you really missing out on? The a7siii video image is fine, same as the fx3 even post updates. The missed upgrades really do not matter that much for image quality - do you really need synched time code? Do you really care about menu configurations? Is adding LUTs beyond the REC709 viewing LUT for Slog3 important? And, I believe the fx3 updates did NOT add built-in breathing correction; but, the fx30 has that out of the box. So, again, the fx3 and the a7siii have the same video capability. You cannot fix the overheating of the a7siii with a firmware upgrade, or give it tally lights, or a zoom rocker, or eliminate the viewfinder hump. An no firmware update made the fx3 image better than the a7siii image either. And most if not all of the new features of the ZV E1 are laughable for serious videographers. Do you really want severely cropped auto framing? Product mode. Seriously.

Jpeg only. Stills shooters were very disappointed. And video shooters were enraged there were no improvements for video.

There was a major firmware update for the Sony fx3. It included a complete overhaul of the menu system, removal of Slog2, LUT import, Cine EI, and time code synch. Matching features that appeared in the newer fx30. Most of the feature upgrades in firmware and in new cameras seem to me to be specific to video - focus breathing compensation, LUTs, timecode synch, etc. Thus, specific to cinema (video-oriented cameras). How much do stills shooters benefit from any of the new add-ons? Very little. So, hybrid cameras are evidently considered mainly stills camera, like the a7siii (the stills camera equivalent to the fx3).

Thanks for the explanation. I don't think you understand what literally means. Really. But I will set that aside and get to your more important ignorance. I was not apologizing for anyone. I was explaining the reality. You don't like it; I don't like it. But it is the reality. I don't apologize for snowstorms. I don't apologize for droughts. We all hate them. But, they all exist. And corporations seek to make money. They are not charities. I wish corporations would give away everything for free. I wish there were no bad weather events. But I am an adult. I do not forgive you for your rudeness; it is never forgivable. I am more concerned, however, with your sense of entitlement and naivete. Do you feel entitled to free services? You were happy to pay nothing for those wonderful DPReview services, and then you complain when the free services are taken away. Are you willing to pay for the services provided by DPReview? I did not see you say that anywhere. Do you think the DPReview staff are not responsible for never trying to raise money? They didn't lift a finger, and were happy, like you, to just be subsidized by the big, bad corporation. They should be apologizing to all of us who were unaware of the fact that DPReview was unsustainable. Cheap talk by you. You are evidently ignorant of the realities of economics. Which are not pretty, not likable, but exist. And don't blame me for informing you with the bad news - corporations are in it for the money and dump any activities that lose money. And, there are people like you who just wish everything was free and are happy to take free services. I was also happy to do so, and I was bamboozled. But I am not surprised the fantasy of free services with no revenue crashed. Oh, and I share the view that there should be a special tax on billionaires like Bezos.

Forgive me, what do you mean? So, I can figure out whether to forgive you. [Rule "4. Please be polite to other users."]

OK, now we have with the latest GoPro Labs firmware the ability to use a color gamut (WIDE) that contains all the color the sensor can recognize, way wider than REC709. Leeming makes a LUT that transforms the WIDE gamut to REC709. This is the test video I shot using the Flog (Fuji) gamma setting, WIDE 10bit color, and graded using the Leeming LUT:

Yes, Amazon bought it, and and finally had enough. Amazon has and had plenty of things they bought into that lost money - brick and mortar stores, hardware devices. Lots of stupid things. This was one. And Amazon bailed on those others too, like a good company should. They made a mistake. All those thousands of layoffs are due to their mistakes, including DPReview. DPReview is a money loser, in which the leadership made no attempt to find revenue sources. Amazon is not to blame, the people running the site are. The site is now filled with posters blaming Amazon, despite the fact that Amazon was subsidizing this no-revenue money pit for years. Not a single one these complainers spent a nickel towards the maintenance of the site. Some are saying they will never buy anything from Amazon again, as if they bought their Nikon Z9 from Amazon. Who the heck buys a serious camera (beside Instamax) from Amazon?

We have a prediction! But, DPreview is a money pit, with no revenue sources. That is hardly a financial asset. And, btw, I would bet that hardly anyone posting on DPReview bought any equipment, certainly not cameras or lenses, from Amazon. I bet few here do either. DPReview was a charity. Maybe a donor is needed, not someone looking to make money from an "asset."

The problem was the site had no revenue source. There are essentially no ads, no paid subscriptions. Yet they archived all those uploaded photos for free, provided equipment reviews for free, provided moderators for free. All that costs money, but they had nothing to financially support the activities, relying on Amazon's subsidies. The "terrible" move was Amazon subsidizing the site and tolerating a leadership that made no effort to cover costs. This was a charity. But even charities need donors. The leadership failed to look for revenue sources. Winning an Emmy does not qualify you for running anything that requires resources (look at the bio of the Manager of the site). I do not understand how this site survives either. It seems to rely on the good graces of one man, which is not sustainable either.

Yes you can, up to 16 LUTs can be imported and can be baked into clips, or just used to display. True for fx30 and fx3.

Hero 11 shoots "IMAX": Yes, the true IMAX aspect ratio (1.43:1) from the full Hero 11 8/7 sensor (and 10bit color). The uploaded video has no horizontal bars, nor are sides cutoff - there is just more vertical resolution, useful for filming large spaces like Grand Central Terminal. Looks great on Apple Pro laptops, which are less widescreen. 5.3K resolution is more than some (ARRI) IMAX-approved cameras. No, this does not make me Christopher Nolan. Thank you for your cooperation.

Back to 4K 120P for capturing motion: running while shooting skate boarders and keeping the camera steady with no gimbal or skateboard - the Ninja run! Opening static shot of a subject in motion to show the setting, then off to the races. Part of a video to show activities in Washington Square Park, NYC in Winter.

Well, this is close: S5 + Atmos Ninja V for 5.9K ProRes RAW: YouTube used to show this in 5K. Now it is 4K. I am making no claim that ProRes RAW is better than BRAW; it is just what I had on hand.