Mattias Burling

I think you missunderstood. But its not important and I won't mention it again. Its just that whole scam has bothered me for years when I see blogs write about it and I needed to went Buy what ever works. I will stick to mint condition used with warranty because its what we get here and its cheaper than any "refurbished" Ive ever seen.

I would call it a non issue I guess. Cant see a scenario where it would be any major problem. Matching cameras isn't that much work if its important and no work for when it doesn't matter. But if I just had to have a camera cheaper than a A7sii that matched it perfectly without effort (and I for some reason could just use a 5Dmiii or XC10) I would just buy a used $1500 C100 and be done with it.

A bit of a scam then. Here they call them "used". If the camera doesn't work I guess they would call it "used and broken". But I've never seen any store try to sell broken cameras so I don't know I guess that's why we don't need to different used from broken. They all have 6 months extended warranty anyway. If its a demo or display unit it still sits under "used" but they ad in text that its never been out of the store or that it was a demo. If a seller said to me, "You can buy this, its refurbished meaning, we have tested it". My answer would be, "What do you mean tested, you haven't tested all the used cameras, they don't have extended warranty?. What kind of a crooked operation is this? Thank you but I rather take my business to a proper store. And do expect the worst rating I can ever give on various forums. No offence to you personally. Good Day!" Kinda..

Ok, please explain to me how "refurbished" isnt a total ripp off? As of today I have seen no information or evidence that points to it beeing anything but a used camera in good shape. But the story they are trying to sell and the rumor I see in forums is that refurbished is when its been tested, pieces replaced, a guy in a lab coat, etc. My guess is that its all total BS. But I would happily be proven wrong. PS. I believe most people like choice and not just Americans. You can buy "open box" and "demo" here as well. But they still make sure you know its been used. And they don try to fool you with some bogus refurbished argument.

Exactly, or a Instax Camera, capsule coffee maker, soda streamer, etc.

A friend who used to work in a camera store confirmed to me that they make squat on camera sales anyway. They make more in lenses. But the bulk and real cash is in SD-cards, bags, straps, filters, credit financing, insurance. Just think about it. Profit margin on an SD he said was like 300%. Some bag from China 500%. Insurance and credit... its free money without inventory, just comissional profit.

No its actually quite simple. The introduction prices are pretty much same. Then prices are even a bit higher due to higher salaries but also higher sales tax (which is awesome imo, free healthcare, dental, college, etc, bla, bla, bla). But the big issue is that mirrorless cameras aren't selling here. I mean at all. Some do. The GH4 for example has only recently dropped sub $1k. But lower end like the G7, gx80, g80.. they can't even give them away. So they start dropping fast and have great discounts already the first week. So if that's for new cameras, what is the guy selling used gonna do? In Sweden we always start of by calculating a minimum of 30% off on retail. And thats from day one. If you only bought the camera 10minutes earlier and only taken one single image there is no way in hell I would give you anything above 70% of retail. (In reality its two weeks because thats the return period, by law.) And the retail stores sell just as cheap when they get tradeins. Plus they never use bogus words like "refurbished". Honestly, Im not sure "refurbished" would be legal. The correct term they use is "used". And that lowers prices. Btw, refurbished...common.. people treat them as new when some guy have wiped the screen and maybe done a factory reset An exception is Canon and Nikon. They hold their value extremely well. Not their mirrorless, they are for free

Its a tough call. IBIS vs CinelikeD and Mic Input. @Chris Oh

Man prices are high over there... Nice camera though.

Just for the heck of it. Here is the same cameras doing what cameras do best.. pet pics Fuji XT2 Sigma DP2 Sigma SD Quattro (BTW click on this one and full ress. The colors.... yummy..)

Not that particular store. But I think some of the others with similar prices might.

Ok, here we go again. Now I did try to match them somewhat. I couldn't find my color chart so I white balanced on one of the pots (its light gray).

Yeah I have some more hidden gem videos coming up. One of which being one of pictures in the thread My current 4k bargain tip is the G7. A store here gets them in as trades sometimes and then sell them used with warranty for 250 bucks. Meaning, used without warranty... 200 and then Im generous. For stills only and for someone wishing they had an M8, this bad boy has the same colors imo. Me too. Problem is that when I got some cheap stuff from yesteryear it triggered me to buy more cheap stuff. So I will probably end up spending the same amount of money but have more stuff

I posted this on several forums and people's guesses are all over the place. Some are arguing about specs and bla bla bla. Nothing constructive So ive decided to take a few shots tomorrow with the cameras side by side and try to match them. Then I will post again.

Yeah I definitely see the point of my expensive cameras. They are great. But for casual shooting Ive started buying all kinds of old "crap"

All are Raw, all are APS-C

They aren't supposed to be better or worse. The point I guess was just that people wont be able to point and say "that one is the the $2k camera".

Note: These are stills and not video frames. And I know in video there is a more direct money to quality correlation. But most people here use still cameras for video and are therefore paying a lot of money for the still function and its features. So I thought I would post anyway. I was flipping through some images at home. And at one point I realized I couldn't say for sure which camera I had used for a picture of a flower. Since I had taken the same picture with three different cameras and lenses on three separate occasions. Whats interesting to me is that they cost $80, $500+Lens and $2000+Lens. I think it really illustrates what many of us try to tell beginners who ask advice on what camera to buy. The extra money isn't going to guarantee you any better images. Its about handling, features, speed, etc. See if you can tell which could be which. Again, three different locations, lenses and white balances.

It is true, literally. The innovation is stuff that actually works. At work the editing PCs crash constantly. Every single day. The technicians are making a fortune. The Macs are just going. Hardly been rebooted for years. It works. Better specs/$ as well, and the new iMacs are no exception. Its just like pro cameras. Reliability comes before some bogus feature no one will use anyway.

There are no support for it in the editors yet. You would have to convert anyway, so you might as well download P.Blooms footage from Vimeo.

I was five seconds from walking out of a store today with an A77ii. So I get where you are coming from.

I know but Ive also said to plenty of those production houses, when hiring them for work, that they can skip the 4K. The "need" isnt there yet. Its just a "nice" in my experience. But either way I still say no, I dont think the c200 will be outdated in just a year or so because some camera gets 120p 4K.

Ive been shooting ETTR since day one and have no plans on stopping. From time to time there are waves of recomendations not to but I stick with it. If it aint broke, why fix it.

I think there needs to be a demand for 1080p first. On a global scale pretty much no one watches anything above 720p. 1080p is for a selected few and 4K is almost not used.

Atomos does raw to prores.