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Is the CineLikeD command different in the GH4, than the next generation?

Also, I forget, but has there been any confirmation if the CineLikeD is possible with the LX100?

Haha, I was about to ask this question because there are some cheap ones on eBay. How did the quality look with the small sensor? A small sensor Panasonic P&S was the first digital camera I ever had and I must say I loved the monochrome setting plus mjpeg codec of those old compacts. I wish we could get mjpeg back into some of these cameras.

I wholeheartedly agree Canon makes a great tool and its DPAF, color science, humble codec and great build quality are great tools. And I don't think they should be dismissed by a lot of video enthusiasts simply because they don't shoot 4K. Other than 4K I'm unsure what they're lacking that would make a videographers life any easier? With native lenses you don't need focus peaking due to DPAF. Their humble h.264 codec and amazing color science requires less need for grading... so expose to eye in camera with maybe a little latitude in either direction (I prefer slight underexposure with Canon cameras) and you're good to go. Probably the easiest, most dependable tool around. As far as Fury Road goes, I'm sure BlackMagic cameras were used as well, they used a shit ton of cameras in that movie, but it's fairly common knowledge that the 5D Mark ii was used extensively throughout the film.

I had the Mark V and the a6500. And let me tell you, I loved and hated both of those cameras. The RX100 V is so damn cool for a pocket camera but I got an overheat warning, then shut down 30 seconds into shooting slow motion in the middle of winter. I had the screen away from the body and every little trick I found online about precautions. I got the warning while setting up the menu without ever shooting a second of video. So it's basically useless. But I liked the sLog and Cine2 image so much I decided the a6500 and its bigger body would at least make it usable... it is " better" and man that is some of the nicest looking 4K I have ever used. sLog3 almost reminded me of Raw video with its detail. I live in the middle of the woods, so the way cameras pick up the details on tree bark and leaves is very important to me and sLog3 looked damn close to Raw. And sgamut 3 cinema or whatever it's called is beautiful. The camera is well built and the 5-axis was a joy to use with my vintage Minolta lenses. But again... in 35 degree Fahrenheit weather, I got the overheating warning. It never shut off, but that was just too much for me for a $1300 camera. So I returned it. Here's a small test video I did with it and sLog3 and cine gamut3. I can only imagine what you pros could do with it, if the overheating can be worked around... When the camera gets down to the $800 range or less, I may pick up another one. And here's a screengrab with lowlight in SLog2...

I don't necessarily dislike the results, and I can see where you're going with it. Will be interesting to see and hear your progress. I actually found a deal for a GX85 that was waaay to cheap to turn down. With the new hack, and my Samyang 21mm lens, I am giving these cams one last try before I sell off all my m4/3rds stuff and focus my efforts on Canon and Nikon.

The Cinema Raw Light is so interesting to me that I wonder if they will start implementing a 1080p version in their lesser models. A 6D2 with CRL at 1080p up to 60p would be a genius move and nobody would even complain about it not having 4K. Obviously, this is Canon we're talking about here, so it is highly unlikely they'll ever do such a thing, but damn it would be a smart move. Especially if they're having technical issues with 4K and overheating

@kidzrevil I think this is showing exactly what happens when you over expose these cameras... especially when you are grading the image and not just correcting it. I think you did a fine job under the circumstances but I have a sneaking suspicion that if exposed, according to the in camera meter, at -2/3 to +/- 0 you may have ended up with softer highlights. That just looks crunchy. Did you use a Black Pro Mist? But that is a tough shot to expose for and grade anyway. I'm actually surprised the camera held up as good as it did.

Good job. Nice color. Cool idea. It reminds me of a short I recently saw.

So it has some character?

Okay, I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner but it sounds like the Contax Zeiss Distagon 25mm f/2.8 is probably the lens you are looking for. They go for about $400 USD... which is right around your ballpark. With the speedbooster it will be an f/1.8, f/2. It should be perfect.

What about the ZF distagons, they usually sell for around $6-700. The Nikon version has an aperture ring. Or I guess the better question is.... what's your budget? What camera are you using it with. And have you thought about Rokinon/Samyang lenses?

I just read that the human eye cannot perceive anything over 8bit... is that true? If so, I still see the benefit of it for professional colorists, but for the novice, a light grade in 8bit should be more than enough. I also understand why Panasonic gave 10bit because they needed that internal Log to compete with Sony. Since Panny's implementation of VLog with the GH4 was disastrous for anybody who only used it internally, 10bit was necessary. And cLog was designed with 8bit color in mind. I would think the 4:22 aspect is more important than the 10bit?

But anyway, sorry for going off on a tangent about all this. Just something I've been thinking about lately. @andrgl I have been searching and searching for M5 videos this morning and I don't think any filmmaker has bought this camera. I am really interested to know how you get along with it. So please post a video after you put it through its paces.

Yes it's the same mount as Contax... the C/Y mount. I saw an f/2.8 24mm go for around $120 last week on eBay. But I do feel compelled to add that even though the reverse focus of Nikon lenses annoys you, the 24mm f2 is a brilliant lens and on a speedbooster it will give you a 1.4. If you use them with a follow focus, you can usually reverse the gear so it turns the way you're accustomed to. Plus with patience one can be found for around $200. I also think Komine or Kiron may have made an f/2 24mm that is adaptable to EF.

Well, IMO, the brilliance of the DSLR movement was that it gave the indie filmmaker the ability to create shallow depth of field. With close ups and blurred backgrounds filmmakers could shoot inconspicuously in public and not need the budget to worry about sets or people walking by. The softish nature of Canon DSLR video is a plus with close ups... who wants razor sharp portrait shots? Now obviously it's difficult to make a film without any wide angles, and this is where that Canon soft look fails. My whole point was that people are too crazy, worrying about the next and best advancement in IQ, when in most instances it doesn't help their work. I have been guilty of it. Look at Kendy Ty, a man revered for his t2i films shot with one lens. He recently switched over to the a6300 and in my opinion his work has actually suffered for it. On the other hand, people like what they like... and I couldn't care less how they spend their money. For me and my work, if I'm not shooting Raw, I want a camera that will make my life easier, so DPAF is definitely something on my radar. I love Canon's IS and focus peaking, so those features outweigh my need for 4K, especially since most consumer 4K looks brittle, oversharpened and plastic. Also, other than the a7s, for its lowlight capabilities, and GoPro, for its tiny footprint, the 5D is the most used "consumer" camera used in Hollywood films. If it's good enough for George Miller... Look at the Zacuto Shootout and how well the GH2 was received. Wasn't it Coppola's favorite? If that shootout occurred today and they pit the GH5 against the Alexa, I'm not so sure they'd receive the same results... but maybe. But I get it... I want 4K too. But do I really need it? But again this is just my opinion... I have very specific needs due to the films I am working on. I need an inconspicuous footprint to get my shots. Other people have other needs and tastes. In the end, whatever produces work the creator is happy with, or can afford, is the right tool for the job. For some that's 4K, for some it's soft DSLR video from a Canon.

Pentax M lenses have a similar look to Nikons. Otherwise maybe an RMC Tokina? I also have a manual Tokina zoom from the late 80s/early 90s that I really like. It's a 24-40mm constant f/2.8. I shot this with it on the D5500... If you're in the States, I have a second copy of it in the Olympus mount I will be listing on eBay in the next few days. Also Yashica ML lenses are often compared to Contax Zeiss. In fact, a lot of them were made in the same plant and some supposedly use Zeiss glass.

Found some nice anamorphic GH5 footage on Vimeo. I think it's with Kowa 2X...

I am not disagreeing with you, I was merely answering why Canon may be holding back investing R&D into things we may find important as a minority in the world of consumer cameras. From a business standpoint, I can't say I disagree with their logic. As a consumer, I wish they offered more. But as an artist, can you say your work is any better than your GH1/GH2 days? Has any of these, rush to market, advancements made your work any better? I am seriously asking your opinion on this. Because I am a fan of your work. Some of your early GH1 footage is inspiring, even to today's standards. I almost bought a GH2 yesterday after watching one of your earlier cinematography reels.

I actually liked the RX10ii. It's a fun camera. And I even liked the harsh, kinda mushy ugliness of its 1080p, but yeah there was nothing, except price, that I found remotely as good as the XC10... well I guess the constant 2.8 lens is nice.

Don't get me wrong, Canon infuriates me sometimes. Within the next 6 months I am probably going to re-enter the 4K market. I was hoping it was going to be the 6Dii but now it looks like they're not going to include 4K in their $2000 camera. I find that to be absolutely ridiculous and non sensical. If the rumored FF mirrorless is released by the end of the year and it has 4K, I will probably be a customer. I already have a couple EF lenses. Since I'm in no rush right now to get a 4K camera, I can wait a while, but if they don't include 4K in that FF mirrorless, then I will probably sell my EF lenses, shoot ML Raw with my Nikkors and then probably get an Olympus or a GH5... as much as I don't really want a GH5, you are right, the features are undeniable. Of course I could go with a D7500 as well and be just as happy as I would with a Canon... even though the crop in 4K is mildly irritating... the footage I've seen from the D500 with its identical sensor and video features, has been pretty impressive. In the meantime, I am looking for a pocket/glove box cam. Something casual for snapshots and the occasional video. I would rather have Canon color and good autofocus, plus 60p for slow motion. That cam I will buy by the end of the summer and it will most likely be either the G7Xii or the EOS-M6. I haven't decided yet. But I love the video I posted earlier from the G7Xii so I am leaning in that direction. The color, IS and focus tracking looks phenomenal to me... for what it is. Also, Canon gets knocked a lot for their soft 1080p, but when I see video shot well with a Canon DSLR, it makes me happy. I don't ever think if only that was in 4K, it would be better. I mean look at this video. It was mostly shot with a Canon t5i and some shots with a G85, and even though I can pretty much pick out the shots that are Panny, I didn't like the rest of the video any less, in fact I would have been happy if the G85 shots weren't included...

Yes they are. Last year, Canon was the 2nd best seller of mirrorless cameras in their home market. Getting 19% market share, they beat out Sony and Panasonic. Olympus was in the lead.

Keep us posted, I'd really like to see what the new generation of M models have to offer from someone that knows what they're doing.

I don't know I think you're missing the point of the original post and my subsequent reply. I mean I can argue that the XC10 has the best 4K image under $2000, better than anything Panny or Sony is offering. But irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

I don't need the EVF, so I was thinking about picking up an M6 eventually. Pair it with the 22mm f/2 and it would be a great Pocket cam for casual shooting or interesting, lo-fi projects. I recently found this video shot handheld with the G7X Mark ii and think it looks pretty spectacular... With the DPAF of the M series, you could have a nice compact set up. I have an M10, which I plan on selling, but the focus peaking is the best I've ever used, so that's a plus too.