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Honestly, I don't want to argue about this. I was wrong about what the symbols mean. After looking at the next page of the manual it is clear that the hand in the center of (( )) symbol is the symbol for normal body stabilizer which is indeed 3-Axis, up/down = 1 Axis, left/right = 2 Axis and roll = 3-axis. With e-stabilization you get pitch and yaw which completes your 5-axis.

Go back to the chart, under non-ois lenses for photo mode, they show two graphics, the second one shows an up and down arrow symbol that is for 5-Axis ibis, but it is for photo only. To get 5-Axis ibis in video you need the hybrid version which requires e-stabilization + the 3-Axis in body which is the symbol of the hand within the (( )). Again maybe I am wrong but I don't think so. Either way it doesn't matter, if you are happy with (( )) stabilization then that's all that is important. I noticed a lot of jitters without the e-stabilization.

Personally, I think Panasonic isn't being forthcoming about exactly how you get the 5-Axis. To me it seems like Duall IS is 5-Axis - 2 from the lens and 3 from the body + e-stabilizer for that extra goodness. But for non ois lenses you need the e-stabilizer to get the full 5-axis, otherwise you are only getting 3 from the body. I think the confusion lies within how they explain dual is.

When you have just the body stabilization on, do you have the symbol, on your display, of the square with the hand in the center, and 4 arrows? Because I only get that symbol when I use body stabilization + e-stabilizer.

How is DPAF with 3rd party lenses?

That was too easy...? Honestly though, on my GX85, I can't even get the symbol for 5-Axis to show up on the screen without activating E-Stabilizer. There is no option for it in under the Photo or Video menus. This is with a Nikkor ai-s 28mm. Maybe the GX80 is different?

I don't mean to be a contrarian here, but I think you are setting the in body 5-Axis to "on" for photos only and you aren't getting the full 5-Axis in movie mode. If you look at the chart and asterisk, the language is pretty plain... E-stabilization needs to be activated for non-ois lenses in movie mode. But I could be wrong. I don't have my cam near me right now.

Really?! Shit, I have to check my settings, but I think I have been using E-stabilization all this time and I have been pretty blown away by the IQ. I can only imagine how nice it looks without it. Then which stabilization setting do you activate to get the 5-Axis on manual lenses?

Yeah, I think for non-ois, non-m4/3rd lenses, e-stabilization needs to be activated to get 5-Axis IBIS... Correct?

Thanks a lot, Pedro. I have the m1, and an XC10. The M3 had a few extras (focus peaking, IS, tilting screen) so it could be a great complement to the Canon Log in the XC10 if Andrew's profile matches well. Of course, the eos-m5 is supposed to be announced sometime next week, so I would hold off to see what the new model offers... DPAF, 60p and hopefully 4K... but doubtful.

Andrew, if your profile works with the M3, do you think your C-log would be a good match up with the 1080p Canon Log from the XC10 to add some shallow depth of field close ups?

I will say the results look fantastic. Has there been confirmation if this will work with the eos-m? I really like this look. Which Canon camera did you use?

Yeah, I imagine you wouldn't need to with a 20mm on FF. I'm actually one of the few people that like short focus throws. I don't use a follow focus, I either go by hand or use a focus lever and with peaking being so reliable these days, I find a short throw works better for my needs. Of course I did just find a rail-free follow focus that I may give a try.

How do you like that 1.8 Sigma? I have been eyeing the 24mm or 28mm 1.8, from that same series, for a while now.

I'm with Mattias on this one. There is more than enough with the Mkiv that will get still photographers to upgrade and that means they will need to sell their mkiiis

Pentax lenses are some of the most overlooked lenses, when in reality they are unbelievably nice lenses... Are dirt cheap and probably have the best focus rings of any lenses I have used. Visually I believe they're as good as their Nikkor counterparts. Btw, the Pentax forums have an awesome review database for Pentax lenses, plus any third party lenses that came in a Pentax mount... Which are a lot. It's a great lens research resource.

Very interesting. I have fallen in love with the C-log on my XC10. And because of it, I have realized how much I had missed using Canon DSLRs as well. So recently I picked up the 50D to use ML Raw with. I know you can have a base profile with ML Raw, even though it can still be tweaked in post. Do you see a benefit, your Log profile would have on my 50d with ML Raw? Also, as a side question I noticed your guide to the 50d raw was still listed at a sale price even though the date had passed. Did you extend the sale or just haven't had the time to update the post?

I am in M mode and I think I have expo preview set correctly, but I will definitely double check. Thanks. I think my error message had something to do with my settings. I am trying to turn off everything I do not need, because I have read that you can obtain the best, fastest write speeds if you only use the bare essentials. I think in the process, I turned off an essential. Even with the hiccups, the results I have been seeing are blowing me away. Yeah, I predict a mkii or iii in my future within a year.

@Justin Bacle have you had any error messages where the camera freezes up on you? I had that happen to me today. And then the other issue I am having is I cannot actually set my ISO any higher than 200. If I set it higher, it changes back to 200 when I hit record, but it will still say I am on 800 or 1600 in the ML menu. It will also change my shutter speed on me too. I have to sit down and go through the ml forum and do more research, just figured I'd see if you have experienced anything similar.

Oh that's not bad at all. I'll probably pick up some wasabi batteries or see how cheap the canon batteries go for now. If I can get a full hour to an hour and a half, with the camera on, using the battery grip, I'll be happy.

Btw, how are you guys getting along with the battery charge. The camera I bought came with 2 batteries and they seem to last about 20 minutes. It also came with the battery grip, so I figured I will buy a couple new batteries and with the grip they should last at least an hour.

Yeah please post something showing the lines. I won't have a chance to shoot with it again until next week, otherwise I would let you know if I am getting the same issue. I hope the files are clean up to 1600 ISO, that was one of the reasons I picked it up. Of course, I tend to never shoot over 800, I just like the option to.

I mean, I guess you could put a fast lens on the gx85 and it will help. I just shot a micro short the other day on the XC10 and I shot wide dr up to 1600 and it was clean. At 3200 I noticed a little noise creeping in but nothing I couldn't work with if I had to. I would still in most instances try to keep everything at 1600 or below.

Yeah, I have both. They are both awesome cams for different reasons. Specifically the 5-Axis, but the canon only has it in 1080, but I think their 1080 is almost as good as the gx85s 4K downscaled to 1080p... By my eye anyway. I just bought the xc10 about a month ago and mine came with the updated firmware, so I can't say if it's any better than the original firmware but most accounts I have read says it is. The face tracking works great though. It's not great in low light, but what AF is? I've never used DPAF... So maybe that is great in lowlight?

I will say that after picking up another Canon dslr, I am happy to use the form factor again. They just fit well in your hands, the GX85 is a little small without a proper grip, but the IQ is amazing. A little less organic than the Canon t2i but definitely sharper with tons more resolution.