Tiago Rosa-Rosso

Canon is the most reliable company out there. In terms of built, precision, ergonomics, color it beats most of the contenders. I think our frustration towards canon is that we all would like to see a xc10 kind of camera with a full frame sensor, reading 4k at 8ms maximum, with different codec flavours ( i really dont mind the MJPEG 62MB 8 bit 422 but 10 bit 422 h.265 would also be nice), no crop, DPAF, ibis, c-log, and interchangeble mount or at least a fix constant aperture 2.8 zoom lens. Maybe in 2020.

I think the crop is around 1.64 with 4k DCI. So it is close to s35. But the issue with this camera seems to be the rolling shutter. Anyone as sensor readout numbers? The 1dx mark2 does 14ms in 4k, that's not bad.

anyone did a rolling shutter test?

Sharpness is not beauty.

I believe that if you film the screen to make a rolling shutter test, It will get the rolling shutter that the camera has plus the one from the camera that is filming the screen. So this test is doesn't seem good to me. For this test to be accurate you need to grab a frame from a pan that goes from point A to point B in X seconds and then draw a vertical line and do the maths. But 4k always comes with more RS.

Thanks Andrew and Luke and the rest for the insights on the crop. Anyone know good aps-c ef lenses besides sigma 18 to 35 and 50 to 100? And any knows if this lenses will work with DPAF?

But in the end this massive crop from 30mp to 8mp results more or less in what would be a super35 sensor area or is far from it? Closer to m43 or closer to super 35? I ask this because if you have for example the 18-35 develop for aps-c ( and if this lenses work well with DPAF ). This might be a solution for not such a heavy crop.

8 or 8.8mp? How far it is from super35?

it's 1.74 or 1.64 crop? dpreview says one 1.64. https://***URL removed***/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-first-impressions-review

Dpreview says the crop is 1.64.

I agree with you, maybe I'm being completely biased. Cause the true is I can't really explain and is indeed very subtle. On the web i barely notice it, but on big the big screen, on DCP file, it gets less subtle. Just for the record I don't believe Aliens, god or that Elvis is alive.

No. I'm talking about the away motion is rendered. I'm not talking about RS, but about a very subtle jitter. It occurs also when panning or when fast objects pass across the frame. But I'm not talking about RS. it's more like there would be a drop frame, but less evident.

Maybe it's subjective. I used a gh4 and a gx80/85 and the motion feels different to me there is some kind of a subtle jitter at 24 and 25 fps. Never tried at 30fps. But the way it renders motions is different and in my opinion not so good.

Codec's are like wine. MJPEG 8-bit 422 it's old and heavy. But it gives good motion and color. In my opinion, and solely based on the few cameras I used, Sony has bad colours and Panasonic has bad motion. I don't mind it being heavy and old if it delivers.

Thank you. i didn't know this. i assumed they were ef-s mount. Good to know.

The sigma 18-35 and 50-100mm are aps-c lens this means that for canon they will have an ef-s mount so you would need and adaptor to feet them on a 5d.

Maybe. But some people like the form factor of a DSLR for video. It's smaller, less intimidating, it's built like a tank, it's weather sealed, it's full frame, you can use it around your neck, and yes sometimes you can take a photo with it. You can't carry your c300 around your neck and look casual.

Yes it is unlikely. But I think we will see this happen or something in this direction, it can be also 5Dmk4 and 1DCmk2. But I think canon will keep this idea of a dslr body that integrates their cinema line. The 1DC is a great camera but It was very expensive at the time so thats why I think maybe we will see a 5DC

I suspect there will be a 5d mark IV with 28mp and 5dC with 18mp and this one will have C-log. I don't believe 1dx mark 2 will get C-log in the future, it's a machine built for other purposes. Canon segments the market very well.

Or maybe 5dc.

I think Ehbrahim Saadawi and Ed David are the same person, like in fight club.

This is mostly a re-edit from a post of pvalpha on canon rumors, that I found interesting and would like to share. There are some rumors out there saying that the 5d mark IV will be a 28-32mp camera. "If so then likely we will have new sensor paradigm. Meaning we could not only see on sensor ADC's like the 80D, but we could also potentially see other design iterations learned from their 120mp experimental sensor." Also there are rumors suggesting a Canon DSLR First Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV "The one thing that pops to mind that would make a massive difference and it would be actually new to canon dslr is BSI - back side illumination. This would be a perfect implementation for BSI before moving to much higher pixel-density cameras like the 7D3 or a 5Ds/r2 without pushing the glass too hard. Lets face it, they'd have to take their optical formulas up a notch or three on the 24-70 and the 70-200 before they start flirting with a 100mp+ sensor. And probably add IS to everything. And they know their average wedding shooters aren't going to want to dump $$$$ into cfast to get half-a-dozen 512gb cards, the new computer rig necessary to process those pics (you'll need a comp with at least 16gb ram), at least 2 1tb ssd's for working, and the helium 8tb+ drives (at least 4-6 in raid) to store 'em on. And they'll need BSI anyway in order to compensate for the massive pixel density without having to shrink a supercomputer for noise reduction into a digic die. Physics is physics. You can't shrink the electronics all that much without new fabs, but if you can move them out of the way (like behind the sensor pit). Of course, considering Canon's conservative nature - you'd have a better chance of hitting the lotto than seeing this happen. You'd see this tech in a powershot or something they gave less than two craps about before seeing it in a 5D. But I'd love to see DxO's reviewer's faces if Canon actually did this. On a 28-32mp camera this would probably extract a 2 fold noise reduction before processing, because the sensor pits would be double or even triple the size. And you could insert dedicated DPAF sensors between the photosite arrays. Add to the on sensor ADC and voila a camera that will beat Nikon and Sony at everything except raw pixel count. And knowing Canon it will outperform whatever specs they actually publish in August." So what do you think? Is BSI coming to canon 5dm4? And what does this mean for us video shooters and canon fans?

So true. I share the exact same opinion. the race for resolution is somehow a non-sense. For cinema most of the times we deliver in 2k dci standard (flat or scope). So 4k maybe it's good for reframing, digital pans and tilts, but not much more. I rather have a camera with good motion color science dynamic range, etc than this resolution race.

Is the video 25fps at 1080p RAW ?

it comes close in terms of speed and accuracy but very far away in terms of usability. At least for video.