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From what i saw on the web Z6iii,8,9 have beautiful color, texture and motion in Z Raw, best in their classes except from the Canon C70. Interested to see some results, which people are able to achieve with the new curve.

I agree on that. That is an essential notion and should not be in question. Commenting and deleting, yes. But in no way replacing content of someone under their name. The former is sometimes an editors necessary instrument. The latter is a nono, a pandoras box. More original og posts in the first place and less ad spamming would be a blessing though.

But then I read about the overheating issues, in cases shutting off after 10min of filming. I think a few people here have a XS20. So maybe they can chim in. Our friend and Eoshd contributor has reported in depth about the lacking chroma detail in the red channel. @Attila Bakos A used Lumix S5 looks more attractive to me, though bigger, but small for what it does, which is great image quality due to its exellent digital pipeline, reliable performance without overheating, 10bit 4k60 apsc, FF open gate, great size and ergo over all. Ibis on the Fuji has been reported as lacking compared to Panny.

Great stuff! Where did you film this? How did you go and get along with the sand close to your lens and camera? I love the strong layers and it containing people in super wides. The graphical intensity feels natural instead of being a mannerism, still it is very well composed and edited. What's your take on colour, codec and "thickness" for color grading compared to other 10bit hybrids or even more specialized movie cameras?

If this was shot with a hybrid cam, people would rather comment. But like that, nah.:) But yeah, awesome cinematography. Yesterday I watched "Don't come knocking", very stylized, almost too crafty and obvious camera, with some clumsy acting and cast but as a whole a satisfying experience and a day later after watching, I must say, a masterful film. With hybrid camera test videos I am getting annoyed by the supposely pretty girlfriends doing supposely cinematically indystyle things with senseless pushins and gimbalibis galore and smeary netflix lighting. I love a lot of the test videos with big fat "vintage" cameras. Maybe that's because some of the people who are foolish enough to bust their backs with these heavy oldtimers, they might be cinematographers or people who aspire cinematography with great passion and sincerity. Yeah, discussing cinematography beyond youtube shills is fun. I remember when Tony Zhou was all I cared for, of all the cinematography and cinema related channels. On of the very greatest video essayists and a legendary contributor. Let me check if he did an essay on PTA. Thank you for sharing and putting it on the map again for me. Definately a great film. @Tim Sewell

I had my GM5 out today with the 14mm F2.5. Perfect match. I would love a GM cam with the robustness of the GX85. With the GM5 I am even worried about the writing on the buttons. It almost seemingly gets rubbed off by looking at it. Today my fingers were a bit sticky from the cake I grabbed on my way when roaming the streets. I felt relieved after washing my hands at a public restroom, no more reason to believe the delicate lettering could stick to my sugar glue fingers. So a GM85 please. I wouldn't need nor expect ibis on that one. The design and size are just so cool. Maybe a frontdial would be possible. Just get rid of the micro hdmi to make room. It's akward that this tiny cam has evf, mechanical shutter and hotshoe but the S9 does not. @John Matthews XM5 might be prone to overheating, maybe even more than a XS20. We will see. I was hoping the XS20 could be an alternative for my GX85 but than I read about the aweful overheating issues some user had. Size is intriguing for what it does. But it is too pricey anyway. Fortunately, as I have too many cameras collecting dust.:)

The relaunched S5 with full Hdmi would have been all the camera I ever needed for personal and semipro use. Another missed opportunity. There is no L mount option for the TTArtisan 27mm f/2.8 Lens, which @IronFilm has mentioned in the Fuji XM5 thread. Lumix S9 users might be using it for S35 pocket cinema fun. But then there are not so many S9 owners. If I had bought one, I would neither be exited about the micro hdmi which it shares with the Fuji XM5 nor about the fact that it does not offer external Braw while the Fuji does on the other hand. Though greatest deal breakers still remain the missing evf, mechanical shutter and hotshoe. Awesome to see the awesome Phillip Reeve been linked to btw:)

It seems Panasonic stopped listening to their customers. A 10bit GX or a S9 with Evf, hotshoe and mechanical shutter would be a relevant decision to give customers what they want instead of wanting them to want something else.

Could it be that the highlight rolloff on the og pocket is nicer than on the m2k? @kye Btw, if you want to post some clips from your travels with your bmmcc, that would be tasty. I lovey your stills as you know, but no pressure. Doesn't need to be a montage. Single clips would be beautiful already.:)

I hardly like to post my work anymore, due to data munching. I posted only one video this year. How many have you? We are witnessing a shock of forum culture.

I think Starwars episode 1 was shot in 8bit 422 on a three 2/3" CCD HD camera. The 10bit codecs and pipeline on the S5,1,1H are pretty impressive and would not make me yearn for 8bit. Still, I have been impressed by Rec709 glory in 8bit 420 colors on the tiny Lumix LX10 when using 4K. It's a camera that needs to be graded though. Ooc colors were a shock to me when I saw them for the first time. I would love the 4K 10bit 150mbit HLG though for a successor, that's for sure. I still enjoy to browse 1DC videos.:)

Depends on the specific flavour of codec. The first 10bit codec on the S1 was the only 10bit one without the Vlog update. It offered 75mbps 420 h265 for HLG at UHD resolution. That mode provided nice colors and dynamic range. But it fell apart into macroblocking tetris on homogenously colored surfaces or a blue sky. The 8bit 100mbit h264 for 709 outperformed it big time in that regard. The later 10bit 150Mbit 422 running circles around both. The 8bit 4k mode on the A7SII was easily bettered by a GX80 in regards of color, tones and lack artefacts in 709. The 10bit 444 HD on the Canon C300II performed the worst artefact I've ever seen under lowlight. It mushed a persons head completely away on a few of the frames. Crazy and hillarious. UHD has problems too. Cine 4K seems best from my experience. Some people prefer to record externally on the MKII. Prores 4444 on the Ursa 4.6 couldnt rescue IR poluted footage. A good 8bit codec is no slouch, whereas certain 10bit codecs can perform certain flaws.

Thanks for posting and linking to your setups. Looking cool. Just not a solution for shoulder cam operation. I'm not a fan of the cine d video nor color grading. But if it is delivering image quality of the C500II and if battery life operation and sturdiness are just as fine, then we got a winner. It deserves a convincing non Frankenstein setup though for shoulder work .

The 20MPix sensor or similar is still in use on the latest RX100 model I think, the first version being twelve years old already! @FHDcrew Here is a comparison between RX100 VII and the RX 10 II. I imagine the colour science in video is nicer on the former due to processing. For RAW photo the latter is slightly ahead though in this test: https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX100-VII-versus-Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX10-II___1336_1034

Hard call for me to get exited about the footage above. Color grading seems the devil here. If the C80 looks as good as the C500II, it is a compelling image taking powerhouse. FX6 would be a direct contender, which works pretty well as a shoulder cam. Looking forward to rigging tutorials for the C80.

Cannot wait to read about your findings. If the Aquos sports the 20 MPix sensor from the RX, FZ and LX cameras, we should be in for a treat. Would love to see it running 10bit HLG on Mcpro24fps. What a bad name for a cool app btw.:)

GH5 is still a valid choice. I preferred it's HLG over VLog recording btw. HD mode is fantastic too. Beyond image quality it is just great to use for video, regarding battery life, sturdiness, video modes and so on. I bet they are close to be a steal now on the used market. @maxJ4380

30 seconds into that. Seems like i will be in for a great treat. The beginning reminds me of the Criterion interviews they do with some super cool movie legends, standing and talking between dvd shelves. I really enjoyed the Udo Kier segment fi. Thank you for posting, Andrew!

Some day I might just do that. @Andrew Reid Great option. I was not very intrigued by it as a photo camera when I had a chance to snap a few shots with it, missing some tactility and the mechanical shutter. But as a pocket cine cam, capable of raw recording and without thermal issues it is compelling. I still "smell" the Sony sensor though from the footage online, just like from the S1 and S1H, which I both own. Maybe raw will solve my issues I am having with the color from this sensor / video processing under natural light, which I find rather boring. Why would you use a 2x crop? Does the FP have the 3x crop of the Lumix S series? A true S16 mode would be awesome. It would even allow for some downsampling.

I have some fond memories of Chris and Jordans older reviews. But they have become rather tame and all the same in the last few years imo, kinda like cameras. Who could blame them for that. Battery life and overheating seem the biggest issues these days, possibly mush at high isos and weird processing. Regarding overheating all youtubers were shills, as you know best, Andrew. Best is to walk on without anger, though aknowledging shill behaviour. Second best is to forget their depressing hardware store youtube studios, illuminated by pink and other painfully oversaturated lights with astera clones as pseudo practicals. But maybe best of all is to focus on kewl stuff. I have just found another video showing off the beautiful sensor and color of the Cinealta F3.

True. I should install ML Raw on my Eos M instead of wondering about these kinda options. Og pocket would be perfect without overheating when powered by internal batteries. I had a lot of fun with it this hot summer despite missing some nice shots.:) Watching youtube reviews of smartphones is such a dull affair. How is focussing with dedicated apps from Blackmagic or Mcpro24fps? What a silly name for the later.:) How is the general experience for video regarding handling, battery life and overheating when using these video apps or motioncam? I hope these question don't distract too much from the topic of this thread. Kye had his gopro modded with d-mount lenses iirc. @Emanuel

Anything pales in the light of tragedy and some things give us comfort in harsh times, sometimes opportunity. For me it was the GX85 which helped me to get through and to cope. I used to carry it with me every day, not around my neck but in my backpack. I mean, Roger Deakins wouldn't carry his camera around the neck after all!:) My kindest thoughts to you and your aunt, dear Emanuel. I am sorry about your dad. I hope you can find more and more comfort day by day in your friends and your art and the positive things around you. Please forgive my harsh tone and words. best, Marty

How about the 11 ultra? @Andrew Reid It sports a 1/1.2" sensor, so still 16mm territory and worthy of C-mount lenses imho. Waiting for a tutorial of the mod and more raw video to see what the Aquos R6 is capable of.

Haven't seen anything 120p on this forum, not to even speak of 4K glory of every one of these precious frames. I've seen about 12 product shots of phones in this thread. I find it rather elitist to consume our earth and resources to death and to waste our brains for dumb junk filling up our thinking capacities. Phones have allowed to push gazillions of stupidity. That is an elitist approach, to overwhelme by pure marketing brute. Not everyone can be smart all the time, not even you, a man with 30 year long movie career. @Emanuel This thread is proof of that in my eyes. Decisive moment missed because 60p 4k is not enough? Come on. Show yourself your most exiting video frame of the last two years. I imagine Apple has nothing to do with it. If you like the sensation of shooting 4k120, cool. Too bad this thread is not a discussion of Douglas Trumbulls philosophy or beautiful imagery. Two cents, grain of salt, happy you're not upset. But please, feel teased and that plenty so.:) @Emanuel

One inch S16 sensor estate on that phone? That would mean Super16 4K raw for 400 Euro if I got that right. Could the 1" 20MPix sensor be the well tested sensor of the RX10/100 series? I am pretty happy with the colours in photo Raw on my LX15 which also sports that Sony 20Mpix imager. Pretty sweet! Thanks for posting! @Cosimo Is there a more detailed instruction video how to do this mod?