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@IronFilm Hallo David, does the F3 allow full support of a Timecode based workflow like the S1H or other larger cameras? I am asking because the Fs700 does not have a TC jack and sofore was still subpar regarding Timecode, like you once stated. cheers

It is not my footage, unfortunately!:) It was shot by a Dutch DP I read. Gave me the last push towards the F3. Another deciding factor was a F3 - BM4K comparision on youtube. Something really tasty about the image. I think the BMPCC might not be going for little money again that soon, if at all. Digital Bolex won´t that´s for sure, Iconsokop camera never has nor will. The BMPCC is a beautiful simple body to hold and to look at with a beautiful image. It seems like it can become an object of irrational desire, so to say. A design classic. One advantage of my GAS is tol be able to compare both FS700 and F3 with internal and external recording. Does the F3 with 444 give a 60p 10bit 422 to a Shogun Flame? If not I will borrow my friends Odyssey. 444 and 422 comparison seems interesting. An akward feeling to have spent that much money these days. I am a bit sad about my greediness to be honest and not having given attention to my FS700. With the F3 it won´t be necessary to record external 4K for a cinema image and I can finally give my Tokina 28 70 some true love after three years. Sorry for my lamento.:) By the way, your images didn´t help me neither to resisit the F3 @Geoff CB

Indeed! They went below 300 USD just a while ago then, with batteries. And often below 500 with speedbooster, cage and batteries and are now up again at 500 with batteries! But mate, I need to read some kind word on my purchase, some more of that claim of that 444 beast of the mini alexa I should just have been happy with my FS700 plus Shogun. Instead both are catching dust. Are you using a F3? What is your take on it compared to a FS700? I turned into a weirdo by your guys´psalms about the "mini alexa". Guess I read Alexa Mini.:) @BenEricson

This thread didn´t help to stop me. As some long time forum enthusiasts @IronFilm might remember, I have been thinking about getting a F3 for a while. The term "mini alexa" didnt help me much for resisting. So I just bought an F3 with the 444 update for around 750 eu. It was 200 more than I was dreaming on spending as max. But then I was thinking, when will a 444 model come around again. Plus my FS700 gives 2K aliasing parade over SDI, so I would have to record 4K output to really make it shine. But then again, how long will I have to wait to find a deal on a 444 recorder.:) Crap, 750, these days, for a 1080p camera! Well, better than spending all on toilet paper. This video gave me the last push towards my weird purchase. Such beautiful colors. Darn, some talented people on this forum can achieves this look with a GH3 or a 5D3. Right? Anyone want a F3 with 444 output? I should stay away from dangerious threads like this one. cheers:) By the way, no cheap deals on the OG BM Pockets anymore.

@deezid Hey Dennis, how are your findings with the "smaller" of the two, with the S1 in VLOG and 10bit? Does it support VLOG in 25p to 60p in HD? How is the 10bit or especially 10 VLOG image regarding being organic, noise, smearing, digital sharpness? I find my S1 in its 8bit 709 modes super sharp and sometimes a bit paper cut like. It is a nice image in its own right but wow is the 6k to 4k downsampled image sharp! I was wondering if I had a super resolving performer with my Canon FD 20mm at 2.8!

😆 that is the curse of shooting too much lovey footage. I would love to share more. Would love, if people would share more of their own stuff. Maybe even shoot some for the topics of the threads they are involved in. Maybe then I should do that myself as well. We will see:)

Ah, now, thats the kinda talk. Much better than home or any other office.:) Which one? I am still thinking about a Panny HPX250, no ccd, but like a DVX100 Andromeda with its 10bit 200mbit codec, if around 500 EUR. Love the stuff people did and do with these older cameras. Too bad I never got to see what Kendy Ty did with a lumix GF1 back then. The creative exitement was much larger than owners pride. Absolutely right. That was inspiring and still is. Funny, I put my S1 aside, my FS700 with Shogun catches dust and my GX85 gets lotta use, enjoying right exporsure, tweaking WB in BW mode and timing and tuning framing and movement, sometimes feeling like Bela Tarr.:) I think these cameras back then inspired our own Chris Doyles and others within ourselves. Some of Andrews videos show a formal brilliance of these guys. The video craze as Márcio described it put the best out of the dreamers, nerds and image seekers back then. Here is an awesome example of "being nerveous about the camera":

Would love to see some footage. Have been experimenting with the special BW mode and high Kelvin numbers. Then grading the bw footage. Looks like Bela Tarrs 35mm film stock. In my imagination.:)

Your Tokyo-Blade Runner short is still one of my favorite videos from the older times of large sensor camera craze. It is still making me wonder, if I should get a GH2. Your Digital Bolex video you filmed in Schoeneweide, supberb... Hard to believe how Berlin has changed even in last five years. Always gives me chokes when I talk to about it. My buddy and i did a minidoc about a our friend who was selling poems in Mauerpark, a short piece with a twist. I was gonna send it to you, when the heat was on in the corona thread. Anyway, I would be very happy if you would allow your compositions to shine with more than just one frame and if you would film your beautiful compositions with the FP and the Dream Lens.

this thread is getting bloated. Why not carry off topic ventures into to the realm of PM, at least after the 20th repost of ones own thesis on colour science. Why not rather shoot some footage with a GH1-5, Canon 550-750d, 5Diitoiv, fujis, nikons, BM cameras and so on. So much to be tested and discussed.

I second that. Some of these gorgeeous landscape shots as moving images! The photographic attributes and qualities of the cinema(tic:) image. Miss your shorts, Andrew, as they always gave an appetite for going out and filming stuff with direct and accessible approach. Your GH4 videos, BMCC, G6, GH1 wedding, GH2 in the temple and Tokyo, great stuff! Love your Berlin videos, which give us great memories, how this city has been until even only a few years ago, motivating to go out and explore the city. I love these old timer videos, showing off what you and others were capable of creatively. Maybe these older cameras will become objects of desire and tools for the "Filmkunst" again, making a come back. Or maybe they won´t. Who knows. I think your videos show quiete a variety of subjects in an individual, non generic way. Cannot wait to see what you will be up to next. More Oly EM10III footage? Well, maybe it is to hard to go back to the oder tech, but would be sweet if these cams would keep the warm spot in your heart they have had over the years. For a start, so of my thoughts. Now, you guys, keep on suggsting and contributing. Exited to read your posts in this thread!

Those wide shots are especially otherworldly! Beautiful compositions and perfect use of bokeh! Congratulations, Andrew!

Holy wholeness! A whole lotta videos posted in this thread. That 8k gives some nice 1080p uploads on youtube. And the video of the portrait mode shows how it makes the model smile. Also, great quality for 720p I must admit.

@Seb Farges how about this beautiful video of yours? You had it up on vimeo with description: Aivascope on GH4. Wow! Awesome images with beautiful compositions and hues!

fs700 is no slouch neither. need to to more testing but internal slog2 is pretty good, especially with that slim 8bit codec at 24mbit. Produces large artefacts/blocks with super fast movements though. External recording solves that. For camera nerds these oldtimers are great fun to use. What is the rolling shutter on the c100, mark 1 and 2?

I shot a test with an Arri Alexa LF vs 65 to find out which one had better color reproduction. I filmed some dog poob, a real stress test to the sensor and the color science. Neither one of them made the poob look like it was a delicious strawberry. Then i did the same test again with my Olympus Pen EP2 and it gave me very similar results. I think the camera companies are just lazy and not doing their homework. I feel ripped now with my two Arris. The youtube test video hV2yvzYzix4 really shows the pain some testers like me were willing to go through, producing really challenging footage, so challenging to the eye.

@Andrew Reid Holy cow, is that a Canon FD 24mm 1.4! You lucky man! What a pretty outfit that is. Awesome! I remember when those were around 600usd on the bay and I was waiting until they would turn up for half of that. Not waiting for that to happen anymore:)

The Tokina is also a very pretty looking outfit. Weird me, that I gave up on using it after messing around with a lackluster EF to Nikon adapter. On the other hand I have an awesome FD to SL adapter from the Polish adapter manufacter which has often been recommended by Andrew and others. I am enjoying the beauty of the 20mm Canon FD on the large sensor of my S1. Though more sillyness with my Tevidon lenses, which are still in urge of an adapter. I read the 35 and 70mm even cover s35 format. Beautiful lenses laying around should not be allowed on this thread.:)

@JordanWright Hallo, a few words from you about the Tokina would be cool. I know, a lot has been written about it. But I can never get enough of some beautiful lens reports. I even own one myself but never got around to buy a better adapter for it and get beyond 8 metres of distance.

Would be awesome to read more about the 10bit h265 vs h264 on the S1H!

Thanx, my friend. 25600iso is a bit much for HVR mode in super low light. But it shows very well that noise reduction is not showing its ugly face fortunately. 4k full sensor readout handles lowlight very impressively. Best shot at iso 6400 and being pushed in post. A very impressive camera. If S1H can fix the ghosting issues and the troubles with nasty blue leds I would still be tempted to get one for the timecode and large variety of codec options. Theses kids still get plenty outdoor time, though the interweb is alwayst tempting to them.:) One sidenote on the 709 color profiles. Filmed a mini doc with the S1 and GX85 both in portrait mode. On both cameras I experienced a bit waxy skintones. Would need further testing as some users got some nice results with it.

Awesome thread! For a camera this size it has very good ergos I must say. So in its own right, it is one of the coolest cameras for the cinematic moments on the fly. Almost a 4k pocket cinema like Andrew wrote in his review. It only lacks in super low light with mushy noise reduction and high light roll off for the perfect perfect "cinematic image". I think it produces a "rec709 cinema image" if one can say that.:) @Andrew Reid Hallo Andrew, like the posters before me, I would enjoy to see your IR footage with this camera. Btw, the black and white image is nice in L Monochrom, with extreme color temperature and a bit of Davinci.

A little vignette I fiilmed last week with the beautiful Canon FD 20mm and the awesome Vivitar 90mm macro lens plus 50mm 1.4 SSC for the slomo at the end. First shot is in BW and colored in Davinci, filmed with GX85. Arrow shots at sunset between 12800 and 25600 ISO, which worked impressively well in 4K, not so well in slomo of course. I am very, very impressed by this camera. Battery life is good. With two original batteries one should be happy for the day. Sorry for the sound quality and lack of sounddesign. All shot in L monochrom and portrait with manual color temperature, 8bit 4k and 125fps HD at the end. High shutter speed for the fans of motion cadence. cheers

No, no, yours were meant as an exception: " except from Ironfilms awesome youtube parade in the lighting thread." With flooding I meant the general concept of posting tons of stuff at once like an AI from outer space.:) Yours were great, like I wrote.

@canonlyme GX85 produces a great image if graded or with right in camera look. I don´t like the HD as much as from G7 or G6, with a bit too much aliasing to my taste. In super low light noise reduction makes everything mushy. Other than that great camera and my to go little film friend. Now, if it´s ok for you to share your video, would be very cool to see your colors fly in motion.:) cheers