Fredrik Lyhne

I spoke to the store I ordered from in Norway last week and they told me I'm number 3 in line, but they only get 2 cameras in the first shipment. They expected to get the camera in the end of March, and I would probably get the camera in mid April. I ordered from one of the biggest stores in Norway on the same day the opened for pre-orders, so for those who waited a few days I guess it could take a while.

That sucks! Then I would wait and see for now. I actually startet thinking about the 12-100mm too for a brief moment after reading the ML review, but 60mm is usually enough for me, and it's a lot bigger and heavier. He sure does, but sometimes a little too good if you know what I mean He has a very high standard and most of his opinions his based on print.

@Ki Rin have you pre-ordered yet? I wouldn't get the 12-60mm unless it's in a kit with a GH5 as I have the 12-35mm already. I will see which I like better when my GH5 arrives, hopefully in mid April, and sell the other one. I can probably get almost the same as I'm paying for Leica if I sell the 12-35mm. Otherwise I don't think it's worth it. For those who hasn't read the MirrorLessons review the Leica performs very similar to the 12-40mm but it's a little bit slower but with a longer reach. The Oly zoom is very highly regarded amongst photographers so the Leica seems to be pretty decent, as expected. The bokeh is really disappoint though, was hoping for more. It's worth noting that Ming Thein recommends the 12-100mm over the 12-40mm for video (not stills) if you can live with f/4.0 instead of f/2.8 because of ugly OOF transistion, see in the comments of his EMII review. Also worth noting that the MirrorLessons review is aimed at photographers and the Leica is said to be built for video use so I would say more reviews are needed at this point.

Isn't Fuji's "24mm" 999 USD? Still cheaper than Panasonic though. The PL 15mm is 550 USD at B&H and Fuji 23mm is 450 USD. Not a huge difference there either.

Yeah, I think a lot of people will be interested in that, myself included. Take care of your back, you only have one you know. Feel better!

I don't really understand why you ask me that question as I have never questioned it's capabilities. To answer the question you should however define what a filmmaker is first, but I'll give it try I don't consider myself a filmmaker for instance, and there are reasons why I haven't bought the Sigma yet, even if it's fairly cheap. I would probably have come to the same conclusion as @jase if I bought one. The slightly/much? better performance just isn't worth it due to the size and weight. Didn't you also somewhat come to that conclusion? I know it's a fantastic lens and I would probably bought it if I was making narratives, ads, etc on low budget for a living, but I'm not. I primarily make food videos and yoga videos for youtube with native lenses and even then I usually stop down to preferably f/2.5 or more to get what I want in focus. I only shoot on wider apertures if I don't have enough light, and when I do I usually regret it later (instead of pushing the ISO) because I wanted to have more of the subject in focus. A huge f/1.2 lens isn't going to make my videos any better, and if I would use the Sigma at f/3.5 the resolution/sharpness benefit wouldn't be big enough to justify it for me. I'm totally with you that it's a great lens, but I don't think it's the best lens for everyone. I would much rather have a kit with a nice slowish zoom (PL 12-60mm), and high quality primes for low light that I can carry everywhere and use for all of my projects; food, yoga, travel, stills, portraits, short films etc. When I started to do photography in 2012 I chose the m43 system exactly for that reason, it's not the best out there but it's the best allrounder in my opinion.

Looking forward to seeing you eat your vegetables @jonpais Off course a f/2.8 - f/4.0 zoom lens can't compete with a f/1.8 in light gathering capabilities, but I bet it will be difficult to tell them apart at f/4.0 - f/5.6 mixed together in a youtube video. Honestly I think you would be able to make just as good videos with the PL 12-60mm and Oly 75mm (or even just the Oly 12-100m for that matter) as all your primes since you usually don't shoot wide open, but where's the fun in that I could be wrong though, but I'm really looking forward to getting that new PL 12-60mm to replace my 12-35mm Fischer Price lens, which btw is a really good lens for what it is. In my opinion the new breed of super fast lenses from Panny and Oly are best suited for still photographers who wants shallow DOF. It's just so difficult to get the focus right at f/1.2 / f/1.4 and if Shane Hurlbut's test is anything to go by they perform noticeably better when stopped down a little. I love my Nocticron lens and the PL 12mm, but in my experience getting the lighting, exposure, framing and WB right is far more important than having a better/faster/sharper lens. In other words, I more often let my gear down than otherwise. I agree that the Fuji 90mm looks great (the 25mm too), but it is really better than the Oly 75mm? I don't know, maybe I need a bigger monitor than my 15" MBP mid 2014 to see it... Really appreciate the tests though, keep em coming!

Well, by my count that's 2 Panasonic primes but I see what you mean Nice range you have now! Looking forward to seeing videos from especially the 25mm and 12mm!.

Yeah, it's a little bit sharper as well. A better lens allover but bigger and pricier so it should be Do you noitice any big difference in color between your Olympus and Panasonic primes or are they fairly easy to match in post? I had the 60mm for a while, which had great color but I sold because I didn't use it much.

Sorry I haven't had the time to do any test for you guys. I've been away for work the past 2 weeks. @jase I did a quick test with the touch AF in manual mode (that's what you meant right?) and it hunts a lot. Manual focus is better but when I'm focussing on something close and then something 1.5 m away it's easy to hit focus just to turn the focus ring to much and get out of focus again. I guess that's what you're used to with photo lenses anyway. I find it somewhat easier to focus with the 12 as it's bigger, the 15mm is so tiny. Note that I performed the tests at f/1.4. Did that make any sense to you? One thing I would like to mention is that I think 12mm is a much more difficult focal length than 15mm, but I guess that also depends on what you're gonna do with it. I needed a wide and bright lens for shoothing indoors so I bought this at 20% off at black friday. @jonpais congrats on new lens. I'm pretty sure you're gonna love it! This video is shot with the PL 15mm until 3.48 and then the PL 12mm for the rest of it. Don't remember the aperture but I think it was around 2.0. It's shot on a GH3 in 1080 50p so not sure how helpful it is but at least you can see that the two lenses match up pretty good. They are color corrected and graded btw. The PL12 has a slightly cooler signature and along with the PL42,5 it has the best color and rendering of the Panasonic lenses I have used, with the 15mm coming in not far behind. Unfortunately that's all I have for now but I'll see if I can make a quick comparison with the 12-35mm next week.

Great video Jase! Happy to hear you like the 15mm. I always though it would be a great option for what you do. If I could just choose one lens for a trip it would be the 15mm hands down. Didn't think you would get the Panny since you got the Oly 17mm though. How to they compare?

Are you saying you're not a hipster Jon?

And that Fuji video looks great! but since the OP wanted a wide angle 50mm is a bit narrow. For stills? The PL is better. For video I always use manual focus.

I haven't used the 14mm so can't really comment on that. The 15mm is by far my favorite lens of the small native lenses in the system, especially for people and street photography. 12mm is too wide and 20/25mm is to narrow in my opinion.

"in my post for a hotshoe grip I remebered you showing a picture of the GX80 with the Summilux 12mm - since I am a bit curious about this lens, how is your experience with it in general? What about manual focussing, does the speed of turning the ring influences how fast the focus is changed? How goos can you do focuspulls with it? How smooth is Touch AF when you first focus on something far away and then something nearby - is it somehow seamless?" I bought the 12mm on black friday since it was 20% off. I wouldn't have bought it for full price but now I can sell it without a big loss if I want to. I usually shoot on a tripod and set focus before filming, so my style is very different from yours but I will try to answer your questions. The build is great and the image is great. I compared the lens to my 12-35mm with both set to 12mm f/2.8 and I didn't expect it to be a big difference... Although the Leica was a noticeably sharper, especially in the corners the color is what makes this lens special. The image from the Leica is beautiful with accurate reds, while the Panny lens produced an image with to much yellow. I used the same settings and WB on both and used LED's to make sure everything was equal. The Leica is also a lot wider. I will have to do more test to confirm, but the findings from my first comparison is the same that is reported with the Nocticron, probably the two best lenses for skin tones in system. I don't do much focus pulls but Nocticron and Summilux are the best manual focus lenses I have used for m43, besides mf lenses like Veydra and SLR Magic. I'm very busy the next few days, but I will see if can make to time to do some more comparisons and testing the manual focus.

Haha, it sure is but you can make it with finely ground whole wheat flour instead to make it a lot more healthy.

Cool, have a nice trip!

Hehe, you should try it's really nice! Your video looked really nice too! Wow, I would certainly put that Oly 17mm on my wishlist if I didn't already have the PL 15mm. Any footage from the 18-35mm anytime soon?

Shot on the GX85 with native primes. Loving how easy it is to get nice, accurate images out of this camera!

@Goose If you can get the 25mm f1.7 very cheap (100-150 usd) I would get that over the Leica if price is a concern. If you like the 12-32mm and 35-100mm you will probably like the 25mm. A kit with the GX80 and 12-32mm, 35-100mm, 25mm f/1.7 and 42,5mm f/1.7 for example would give you great image quality in a tiny package, + autofocus for stills. It all depends on how big you want your setup to be. Speedbosters are tempting but whenever I think about getting one with FF lenses I always come to the conclusion that native lenses are best for my needs, even if it sometimes means a higher price or lower/different image quality. This is shot with the 25mm Pana Leica and the GX85:

No problem, happy to do it. Be sure to watch it closely as there is definitely som small shakes without post stabilization. Looks much better after post though, similar the BIS on the GX85 I think. Looking forward to your test with the GH4!

Congrats on a new camera! First one this year? I went out to shoot some quick tests today and here is the result. It's nothing special really but hopefully it can help you a little with your decision. I would rate my hand held skills around average so it's probably possible to get better results than this. Comparing it to my older videos with the GX85 and a 25mm I would say it's not as smooth. There's is some micro shakes going on from time to time. Panning is very difficult I think, but easier with a gorillapod. Tripod shots are ok through the whole zoom range though and pretty good with post stabilization. The duck tracking is with 35mm btw. Anyways, I would stabilize in post using this lens. I made two versions, one with just OIS and one with auto stabilization in FCPX. If I remember correctly you use Lock & Load and that is probably even better. Checkin in tomorrow if you have any more questions, good night!

I don't know if you saw my post in the other thread? "I just put in a pre-order with the Leica 12-60mm. Here in Norway the price for the camera is 22500 NOK (2635 USD) and 28000 NOK (3275 USD) with the lens. The lens alone cost 10500 NOK and only 5500 NOK in the bundle. I should be able to get at least 4000 NOK for the 12-35mm, so I can compare them and keep the one I like the most. I'm guessing it will be the Leica because I have primes for low-light and the gap between f/2.8 f4.0 isn't that big. Let the waiting begin, or should I say continue " I would guess that image quality will be very similar, maybe slightly better on the Leica? From experience with the 12-35mm (purple one from 2013), the PL 12mm and PL 42,5mm the manual focusing is way smoother on the Leica lenses. Could be improved on the V2 though. The kit deal you're talking about is available in Europe, UK and Scandinavia so it will probably show up in US at some point. At least here in Norway the lens is almost 50 % cheaper if you get the kit. Haven't seen any kit other than with one of the 12-60mm lenses yet. If you're considering getting 12-35mm or 12-60mm I would order the first one that's available in a kit, and I'm guessing it will be the 12-60mm and then the 12-35mm some months later. At that price you can always sell it for what you paid for it and get a used V1 12-35mm for the same price or probably less.

Cool! Post the test when it's done?

I just put in a pre-order with the Leica 12-60mm. Here in Norway the price for the camera is 22500 NOK (2635 USD) and 28000 NOK (3275 USD) with the lens. The lens alone cost 10500 NOK and only 5500 NOK in the bundle. I should be able to get at least 4000 NOK for the 12-35mm, so I can compare them and keep the one I like the most. I'm guessing it will be the Leica because I have primes for low-light and the gap between f/2.8 f4.0 isn't that big. Let the waiting begin, or should I say continue