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CVP I googled “CVP Blackmagic pocket 4K preorder” because I couldn’t locate the page. edit - it’s on their main page now.

£49 paid for preorder. Yippee! Wonder where I am in the queue...

How can I preorder? This is astonishing!

Or the Red Hydrogen with... wait... not sure what it has...

So to repeat the question... how do you preserve the detail? What’s the best work flow to get from the raw to the Blu-ray? I have 2 micros and shoot a lot of raw (which looks good on my Mac screen). But I don’t have the knowledge of how to optimise the distribution - either for Vimeo or Blu-ray. Hence the question. No - I don’t think the result will be the same if footages (sic) had been captured at the same bitrate.

Something I’ve never understood - how do you preserve that additional “detail” in the deliverable format?

@kayleeDid you manage to shoot the “drone” scene you asked about a while ago? If so, how did it go?

Why don’t we try to do a “festival” here on eoshd? Someone suggest a theme and give everyone a week or whatever. We link our offerings, sit back and enjoy... we’d have to agree to do the beer/weed thing remotely. Big question - how many would participate? Liam - organise it!!!

Not sure what our respective other halves might think if we ended up sending each other 3d cats... On the preorder list yet?

No - Friday (sorry!) Jannard: “We are finalizing the carrier rollout plan for the launch of HYDROGEN. At this time we need to take down the preorder option... effective this Friday.” (Reduser) Tempted? If it works then it’ll be fun to have been there at the start. If it doesn’t, well it’s a ‘phone. At least that was my reasoning.

In terms of making it popular even something like the Hydrogen faces significant obstacles. Let’s assume it works as “advertised” (and to be fair it hasn’t been subject of hyperbole except for certain people on reduser) and is capable of capturing and displaying stunning 3d images. Without glasses. But who can watch it? Only - as far as I know - other Hydrogen users. How do they break into the consumer (rather than producer) market? I failed to persuade my wife to order one (preorders end today) so I will have precisely no one to send my stuff to. Gather round folks... squeeze closer... closer... it’s my 3d cat! Good news - the 3d works only in landscape (or only in portrait for the selfie mode)

Latest from Jannard: “We are also developing a line of prosumer and professional 3D to 4V cameras to support the system.” (REDuser 15/3/18) RED. Prosumer... Interesting.

Cloakroommedia have a good demonstration of the C200 at high ISO in low light. There’s also some useful stuff on Matthew Allard’s MZed “course”.

I like the use of the word “persuade” in that sentence...

Genius. (But hopefully not the display used by the Hydrogen!)

At least you have a piece of art you can enjoy for your 1400! It’s interesting isn’t it - we discuss image quality from capture devices and how “we” can manipulate it to “our” preferences. It sort of forgets that once it’s in the living room of the consumer who knows what travesties are being applied.

As someone who preordered a Hydrogen and is genuinely quite excited about what it might be able to do, I registered with reduser for a source of information. It is quite astonishing just how poor the quality of discussion over there is (at least compared to here). The only information - other than that from RED itself - consists of wild speculation, absurd hyperbole and seems to be totally dominated by one or two individuals... Not a great public face for a great company producing great products. There is no doubt (in my opinion) that Hydrogen will be something special. But only relative to what phones currently offer. And not necessarily “useful” or “game changing” or even, given time, “unique”. But goodness, anyone naively reading the Hydrogen threads in The Other Place must be totally baffled (one of the latest themes is that you really need 4 - or is it 64? - Hydrogens to really optimise the 3D capabilities - or is that just to feed the world...) Looking forward to seeing what it’ll do however!

Not sure I understand this... If you shoot 30fps in 4k raw it’s 12 bit, but if you choose 60fps in 4k raw it drops to 10 bit. Is that correct? If that’s correct (and it may, indeed, not be) I’m not sure where the need to shoot 60fps comes from?

...and if you really want/need 10 bit prores then an external recorder is the answer (at least in 1080).

I want to see how the C200 would perform a bit further north (99830, Saariselka) both at night and in cold conditions. If you still have it, send it up to me!!! Nice basement.

Is the $650 to “get you the shot(s) you want” or to “hire me and my drone for (period)”? There is a difference...

This thread is fascinating. Partly because of the actual issue (although, bizarrely, we do seem to be flying an Inspire 2 in a bedroom at the moment...) but more so because it illustrates the balance between creativity and technology. Kaylee obviously has her ideas and, these being fixed, is addressing the technical question - how do I implement them? A more general question - is it good to stick precisely to the creative idea and force a solution rather than to modify the idea to better suit an easier technical method? (Eg my solution was to use stills and zoom in post - requiring static shots). When do we need to compromise our imagination? From a pragmatic perspective, should we be prepared to amend the idea simply in order to actually get it done? There is a difference between asking the question: “how might ONE do this?” and “how do I do this?” (because I have limited resources whereas the former makes no such restriction). To some extent (and in no way am I suggesting this applies to Kaylee) the existence of fancy technical solutions might even be restricting our creativity - no longer are we forced to think how best to achieve what we want within certain cost/time/resource parameters. “IF I had this, I could achieve that” is no substitute for “I can achieve this with that”. Tim

just a thought... if you took a high resolution still from the ceiling, could you crop in at the start of the shot and simply zoom out in post to replicate the movement? It would keep it simple. Assuming, of course, there’s no other movement in the shot.

To some extent point taken. But not entirely. The A7S (with a Shogun) does what I want (there is no “need” here as it’s a hobby). But a 10bit option would definitely be nice. AF is irrelevant for me (focus is on infinity). DoF is irrelevant for me. Battery life is irrelevant for me (I’m using vloks anyway). Ergonometics partly irrelevant as I simply press the red button on the Shogun (although if I have to change a camera setting it is horrendous). One day I’ll drop the Sony in the snow (again) and it won’t switch back on - then I’ll have to buy a new camera. And not a “concept camera” but a real one which, for next winter might well be GH5s, A7Sii/iii or C200 (which would also replace my BMMCCs). So happy to wait and see what comes next but also prepared to choose when the need arises.

Next time I’m standing out in -30 filming the aurora borealis at ISO 25000 I’ll console myself with the knowledge that I’m impoverished... There are times when a high ISO makes a genuine difference - I’m not interested in the GH5s until Sony have confirmed what they might do with the A7s3 (or I persuade myself that I can afford a C200).