John Matthews

Those are good points. I would argue 10bit to 8bit comparisons almost never look like the 10bit file is 4x better. When shot properly, the 8bit file often indistinguishable to the 10bit file. The real question is: “Exactly how much can you screw 8bit up and still fix it?”

I downloaded all of them. My conclusion (as I thought): stay away from overexposure. Underexposure is scary, but noise can be dealt with. Overexposure results in lost colors and a strange halo softening that you don't have with underexposure.

I've come to the same conclusions. IBIS and rolling shutter at the clear problems with the GX850, but any sort of tripod fixes that. I have a steadycam or kit lens for the rest, but really prefer the locked down shots right now. I've grown a little tired of the IBIS look but fully admit its practicality.

Great work, @kye! I'd be interested at looking at the full resolution images if possible. After doing the WB tests, do you think there's more latitude in slightly blue, magenta, or green version. I remember that Gerald Undone did a test some time ago and found more latitude in a warmer WB than a bluer WB.

I'd just like to clarify my goal: I want the smallest, lightest kit possible to produce either a good enough 1080p (free of fatal flaws like moiré or aliasing) or 4k image. I'm looking for an equivalent of a super 35 f/2.8 image at around 28mm S35 field of view (around 42mm FF equivalent). I'd like to fit it with a variable ND and CPL filters.

For photos, I prefer most landscape shots in black and white. City and people shots are mostly in color. I've also been impressed with the black and white profiles in video. I also need to shoot more video in them.

It'll basically perform the same as the GX80, but without IBIS and you're forced to lock down most shots. If there's IS in the lens, it works. Rolling shutter is bad just like on the G100 in 4k. I turned down all the sharpness and NR, the other settings are specific to EOSHD Pro Color in Standard profile.

Massive amounts! I've never seen so much and the ground has been saturated for weeks.

I've seen great footage from the LX15, this included. Today, I went on a walk to get some berries and took a few shots with the GX800 and the kit lens:

The original RX100 was the second camera I ever purchased as an adult. Back in the day (2012), it made decent 1080p and I loved the 28mm (equiv.) side of the lens. Fast-forward to today and it looks almost identical, but has improved so much in the video department. As a photo camera, I think it's roughly the same as the first one. My main problem with these is the lens because you'll be limited in terms of looks. Build-wise, they feel good but when the lens is extended, it's fragile and the littlest bump is going to screw the whole thing up. Also, there's the dust issue. The other cool thing is the leaf shutter as it has a 1/2000 max sync speed- amazing. Also, the slow-motion is pretty good too. Compared to the LX10, the Sony is clearly better, but it's Sony (if you've had Sony's before, you know what that means). IMO, both the LX15 and RX100 beat the GX800 with the kit lens; it's only when you put other lenses on the GX800 that it begins to rise above. Personally, I'd love to have more recent options, but apparently no manufacturer is on-board. With the release of the G100D, it's that or nothing from Panasonic. Sony hasn't updated the RX100 in a long time either. Grab what you can or be happy with a G100D (which isn't bad) or E-M10 or E-P7, or OM5, but they're all way bigger.

I think if you were to say "only the 15mm body cap lens", I'd choose the iPhone. If ergos are the priority, I'd go with the LX10 if you can do with the crop. If diversity of looks is the main priority, I'd go with a GX850 and two lenses: 12-32 and 42.5 IS lenses. Is that small enough, not sure. Personally, I cannot give up ergonomics and I find the LX10's 4k crop and lack of IBIS too limiting. I went the route of the GX850 for two main reasons: 1) the simplicity of the screen/lack of EVF; 2) Panasonic familiarity. I love the fact I can put a tiny tripod on it and not care about ibis and be in the shots I make while seeing the framing. As everything I do is related to family, I figure my children want to see me in the shots sometimes, especially since my wife doesn't want to take any shots of me.

If I remember correctly, the gotcha is the 4k crop on this camera. I think the widest is around 35mm FF equivalent.

No specific experience with it, but it's Panasonic; so, single point AF will be stellar. DSLM cameras have these considerations when quickly shooting: Pocketable or not? Acceptable audio or not? How good are the auto modes? Is Aperture priority acceptable? Do you have a lens cap on it and how fast can it come off? Zoom or prime? Zooms take longer in general. If zoom, power zoom or not? With power zoom, you can get automatic lens cap. Is an ND filter part of the setup? Maybe there are more questions?

I had that lens briefly just before I got the GX85. I really liked the output and usability. I liked it because it didn't seem too sharp. It seemed organic. I'd also like to try the 14-140.

Here's a review of the G100D. Having known the previous version, I'm 99% sure they filmed in v-log throughout. It looks good. No moiré or banding, even in 8bit as far as I can see. They say the new EVF is good, but who really knows yet. Still, it's 355g, making it slightly heavier than the E-P7 with proper IBIS, better continuous AF and full sensor readout.

Of those lenses listed above, I have and will continue to use 14mm f/2.5 or 12-32. If I want wider and IS, I use the 12-32 with the .79x wide-angle converter. For low light, I have the Olympus 17mm f/1.8. I've sold the the 20mm (as I thought it would never work well with PDAF, but I think I was wrong about the that. I also loved the Olympus 14-42 EZ for its lens cap accessory that opened when I turned it on and made it a true point and shoot, but again I sold it. Of those other lenses, I'm not that inspired to get them. In other news, it looks like we won't have another small Panasonic camera for the foreseeable future as the G100D has just been released. It has an updated EVF with OLED (which wasn't the problem with it, rather the OPTICS), but who knows as it might be fixed. It also has a USB-C which is more state-of-the-art. I'm on the fence about this camera and I'll wait for critical reviews. I'm fairly sure it still has the BS 1/500 mechanical shutter and max sync of 1/50. I think I'll just stick with the GX800 or get an OM-5 (which is light-years ahead of the G100D). I have to say Lumix is sneaky with this camera as I'm sure so many people will look at the OM-5 and say: "Crap, it has Micro USB", and then look at the G100D and say: "Perfect, it has USB-C". Never mind the fact the OM-5 has a WAY more accessible SD Card slot. If you want really small Lumix, it's a sad day because I was really hoping to get something with PDAF and GX85-ish features. OM-5 or E-M5 iii are still the best options. For small and light-weight, it the GX850 with its limitations or the E-P7. Can't say OMDS will win the sales, but they seem to clearly has the better lineup. I expect G100D's to be discounted in November 2024 and super cheap on the used market (with lenses). As I have a big camera/small camera setup, I want more contrast in the terms of size, but not features. Unfortunately, manufacturers continue to dump out one-size-fits-all cameras.

The only problem is that it takes crazy amounts of energy and time. The GM1 was great. I really liked its build quality and output. Personally, I just love the flip-up screen though. The GM1's 1080p was better than the GX850's 1080p (because of moiré); however, the it cannot compete with the GX850's native 4k, free from most faults and highly detailed.

You live in a wonderful place. Another great example of not blowing out the highlights. It almost always looks better. ...not an easy task on the GF3. I just realized I've been saying I have a GF3 and I don't- it's a GF5! 🤪 I have some some quirky Lomography lenses (set of 3) made for MFT- they cost me a whopping 20 euros and they're total crap, but that's not the point. They also come with some filters! I've been sick the past few days, but you're giving me desire to get out there.

That looks great! Their website actually lists it at "216.6g" including battery. Did you weigh yours? Does it have a physical shutter?

Make no mistake, the GX85 is superior in almost every way over the GX850, except for size and screen IMO. I shot the GX85 for almost 3 years exclusively. I often regret not having it. Also, if I had a GX85 today and I'm happy with the size and weight, there would be no real need to get a GX850. My GF3, that almost never gets any love, is slightly broken. It has some weird issue where it has bad digital banding. Amazingly, that doesn't happen in video mode. Oddly, this camera's strap system has been adapted to Panasonic's newest cameras (G9ii, S5ii, S5iix).

I haven't tried the G3 or G6, but I've heard the G6 has some of the best out of camera 1080p. The GM1 doesn't have the same moiré problems as the GX850 (at least not in the same scenarios/frequencies). Compared to the GM1, the GX800 feels like a toy, but it has better specs and is slightly more usable IMO. Compared to GM5 (never had it-too expensive), again, the GX800 has better specs and the flip-up LCD which is the achilles heal of the GM5, but I'd love to try it. Because Panasonic hasn't made anything new, the prices keep creeping up and there are fewer and fewer on the market. The GX800 will run you 140 euros when all is said and done where as the GM5 is double that and you'll never get 4k.

With a smaller size, there are some limitations. Depending on hand size and pocket size, your mileage may vary. Personally, I like not having to choose between EVF or LCD (I just put an anti-reflective screen protector to see a little better outside). A flip-up screen that moves so easily cannot be understated. Compared to a GH6, the GX850 is the antithesis with tons of limitations AND tons of decisions you DON'T have to make. Compared to a GX85, the GX800 is just a less featured, but again a few less decisions to make- throw it on a tripod and get the shot; not many usable codecs to choose from either. Put it this way, I had a GX880 (that I sold); I had the G100 (that I sold); I had a GX800 that I dropped; then, I bought another GX800. The GX800 is definitely more fiddly and it's not really designed to be an A-camera, but it works as a complementary camera, especially Lumix. Honestly, it blows away a GF3 (which I also have); in 2023, that's a crash-cam. Also, I love the look of the GX800 (even over the newer GX880).

*"disappeared" or "were gone"- I make too many stupid mistakes when I write because I don't read it again (until it's too late). I should send all my comments through ChatGPT before. "Correct my English: "*". That's what I do when I write in French now- works like a charm.

Yes. Exactly. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I grade (and I don't do much), I rarely see that much difference between 4k 8bit and 4k 10bit. Back in the day, I'd see moiré and banding in so much 8bit 1080p footage and it really made sense to shoot it in 10bit; however, it would seem that as soon as my footage went 4k, moiré and banding were disappeared. In the case of the GX850, it has super-sharp 1080p but usually ruined due to moiré- way more than my GH2 under the same circumstances. In any case, the 4k fixed it and made it more detailed.

Do you know of any Cameras the size of the GX85 that shoot with those specs? The OM5 shoots in C4k at 200mbps in a variable bitrate; so, it should be possible but it's not 10bit.