John Matthews

Please stop referring to it as "overheating". That's exactly what they want us to believe. Canon has entered a new phase of "the cripple".

No disrespect to EOSHD, but 70mm sensor size? If you "need" this, I don't know why you're here. That's for high-end cinema. You're a video arts teacher... what level are your students? I'm sure you know this, but images don't get "bigger" with sensor size; that comes with the distance between the screen and your projector and usually this is fixed. I think it's important to distinguish between your needs and pure GAS.

News just in: Canon is currently finding ways to create loops and bugs in R5's firmware to properly overheat at 20 minutes... code to keep running for two hours after. They've terminated the employment of the engineer responsible for choosing a heat-efficient, modern processor, allowing the R5's limitations to be bypassed. A spokeswoman for the company released this statement: "We deeply regret that some renegade customers have (illegally?) hacked the R5's abilities to record 8k footage and its limitations of a 20 minute recording every 2 hours. These customers are not in compliance with the user agreement and risk a non-functional device. We have addressed the problem and corrected the R5's firmware to perform as advertised." Unofficially, the companies spokeswoman, categorically criticized EOSHD.com for their lack of believing the R5's specifications at the time of release, despite Canon's best marketing efforts in the matter.

I can see Foneh Thornrup frantically conjuring up a video where he somehow finds all the solutions and saves the day for all R5 owners, of which there are 126 internationally.

Ah yes... we finally have "M" mode! That was probably a big deal. I was still shooting video on my Canon ZR930 Camcorder. I guess we know why @Andrew Reid had the "EOSHD" name. Not sure if would make sense today, but it probably seemed like a good idea a decade ago. Then again, we're still talking about Canon, aren't we? Same old shenanigans... What is it? "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink." Canon know what to do to stay relevant, but will they do it? And when?

So far, everything is going according to plan. Except for some people having thermal common sense? Canon really does take us for idiots! Waiting 2 hours? ...give me a break! I don't know who came up with that one.

It still has yet to be proven that Canon will or wants to unlock the R5 at any date in the future. My gut feeling is they'll need to respond at this point... who knows what kind of BS they'll come up with, but have visions of the Canon execs in a war room frantically brainstorming new ideas about how to spin or cripple the R5. There's also a final scenario- not release anymore cameras and simply say "we couldn't make it work". This might actually cost them less money in the long run with future sales of their cinema cameras. I doubt it though. There should be no more discussion on temperatures of any sort. It's simply a cripple clock- the end. I cannot imagine it's going to settle well with anyone on this forum.

Has anyone considered the idea that Canon might have wanted to release the full potential of this camera at a later point? The argument could be made they wanted to own the entire "spec" buying videographer market, knowing Sony or someone else would have made something to compete that would be up to snuff to compete (again, in terms of specs). At this point, they'd release a new firmware "unlocking" the full potential on us unsuspecting customers. Both Fuji and Olympus have done this type of thing in the past, only with firmware. Yes, if this is so, it went horribly wrong for Canon.

Companies rarely say things like "sorry" and prefer the option of "regret". In Canon's case, it'll only mean they "regret" being caught red handed... I doubt they'll learn anything due to their consistent policy of protecting pro video gear, which this camera is clearly not with those recovery times. When companies (or governments) say "sorry", it only acknowledges their guilt, which means a payout.

Personally, I'd feel like I just bought a hotrod of a car that can only drive 5 miles.

In Canon's defense, if they release a camera that provides 8k, full-frame sensor, decent colors and that's easily editable, they'll have a few problems. First, there's potential that the camera will make the cineline redundant, not that they don't have "better" ergonomic and accessibility. Second, they must have sunk a bunch of money of R&D in those cineline cameras (not that the R5 wouldn't benefit from it). I think the real problem is like what had happened to still cameras. People have still cameras that are definitely good enough (hell, phones are for many people). Most people won't upgrade unless real IQ or performance can be easily felt. Canon wants to "milk" the situation for as long as possible, trying to give substantial IQ and performance increases with limitations. This year, we have 20 minutes of 8k and have to wait 2 hours. Next year, we'll get 22 minutes of 8k and have to wait 1.5 hours. Just a little bit every year so we keep buying the camera that has less limitations. We end up with 29.59 minutes of 8k and only 2 minutes of waiting time. Want no waiting time? You still need to get the cineline cameras and by then, they'll have even more capabilities. All the while, they keep sell the "same" camera, changing only the firmware and improve profitability with manufacturing processes. Not a bad model for making money, is it?

I have to say the reports of the R5 not being able to record 8k video again for 2 hours after only recording 20 minutes seems wildly against all thermal common sense (even when put in the freezer). I can throw almost any object in the sun, add energy to it, and put in a room in normal temperature and the object will return to that temperature rather quickly. A camera doesn't have that much thermal mass that it would stay at super-hot temperatures for that long... it doesn't add up. If it did have that kind of mass, it would make a pretty good heater in winter. Canon is screwing with its customers once again.

Has anyone considered sabotage or conspiracy as a possibility? Was it an engineer? Canon itself? A fan manufacturer? Sony? So many players... this could be a film. 😀

Maybe they'll come out with a reflective aluminum A7s iii? That will solve the problem.

They can't be serious. You'd have to use EF lenses... or some other lenses. What's next? Liquid cooling like the PowerMac G5 of yesteryear?

So what you're saying is that Panasonic lost about 2000 pounds with your buying the S1H rather than the EVA-1 because they made a mirrorless camera that sufficed your needs. Interesting. I'm sure someone is paying attention to that.

Valid points. I wasn't aware of the bricking problem- that sounds bad! Does that RAW hardware come with the FX9 or is Sony making people pay for it? I think this might be the specific point that FX9 owners were peed-off about. As for the R5, I think it has yet to be seen how it behaves under duress... all we know for sure is the insane overheating wait-times, making it unusable for many types of shooting.

Are you sure of this? I have my doubts. Again, Fx9 lacks some of the features of the A7s iii. Bloom's interview with ProAV states otherwise and he had experience with both. He specifically says the A7s iii in slog3 10 bit was every bit as good as the Fx9 with LUTs applied. Maybe I'm wrong. Going back to the topic of Canon, I think the same applies. They're protecting their cinema line in some way, shape, or form. Why wouldn't they? I think people might be underestimating what their cinema line means to them. Only judging them on their R5 product, it does a lot, but they limited it in serious ways so their cinema line is still protected. The question is: did they do it on purpose or not? I say they did because they were so forthcoming about its limitations in terms of overheating. Had they produced a non-weathersealed camera or just with better cooling, it would have possibly surpassed the abilities of their cinema line (in terms of output and practicality due to its smaller size). Just some thoughts.

Not according to some vendors (Pro AV) who were saying their FX9 customers were calling in saying they were upset by some of the features of the A7s iii. This is understandable because the FX9 costs way more and doesn't do everything the A7s iii does. IMO, they just lost some future customers for the next PRO version of the Fx9. I also agree though that these are different products for different people. Still, I think I'd be upset too.

I can help you with this. If you want slow mo on any Olympus camera, you might be disappointed. That said both the EM1 ii and EM1x have 60fps in full 20mp raw (or 30 minutes of 1080p 60fps). In the right conditions, it will look really good (take a look at @Andrew Reid video about the EM1 ii. There's ONE BIG caviot to this: you get about 60 frames or 1 second that you can slow down to 40% at 24fps. The EM1x, EM5 iii, and EM1 iii all have 1080p 120fps, but again, it's not the best. I guess it all depends on your quality tolerance. I currently have the PL9 which has a flippy (down) screen with roughly all the same features as the EM10 iii, but without 5-axis IBIS (it only has 3). It's also smaller. I also have a EM1 ii that I a found smoking' deal on the French equivalent of Craig's list for 800 euros with the 12-40 PRO lens. That camera is in another league than all the cameras Olympus has except the EM1x and EM1 iii. You can find this camera used for much less than the EM5 iii, which is basically the same camera minus a few features and the 1080p 120fps. Hope that helps.

Doesn't Canon already have all the tools and know-how to make a small body mirrorless camera? This seems obvious to me, but they're going to severely undermine their cinema cameras if they give ESOHD what it wants. They'd sell a lot of them in a bad economy context not making much money on them. Sorry Canon, you had your moment to make serious profit had you simply advanced your own products rather than repackaging the same old products that made you dominent. Now, it's too late in this context and you're going to lose serious money.

I think Canon might have rushed this camera to market with the release of Sony's A7s3. It's all about keeping some of the users from switching to the Sony system. It looks like the Sony has some issues with overheating too, albeit seemingly not as bad. I guess nothing replaces that cinema camera that both of these companies sell. It would seem real advancement from small bodies, cinema specs and value will have to come from companies like Nikon, Pentax, and Olympus that are not invested in the big body, high-end cinema market.

I think Canon's quality control is superior to Sony's QC. 🙂

I have zero need (nor budget) for this camera, but I'd like to know if it has some weather sealing. Anyone know?

That's not really a fair trade. I'd prefer to have an out-of-focus image to none at all. Bonus with the Pany- you can refocus it! "Il n'y a que des cons qui ne change jamais d'avis." Je suis d'accord!