Rand Thompson

After and Before vlog graded_1.1.1.tif

I think it's pretty much official amongst GH4 owners, myself included, that Vlog-L was meant to be used with a 10-bit external recorder. I'm no techie, but from what I understand from the guys who seem to be much more knowledgable than I , 8-bits is not enough for most LOG profiles. Some disagree and point to canon's C-log 8-bit codec to show that 8-bits is enough, but, hey, i don't know.

I'm working with Vlog-L on the GH4 which has it's own issues with magenta/cyan macro-blocking. I Have only owned the Sony A6000, so I have completely no experience with S-Log other than the clips Andrew uploaded from the A7sII. Maybe its just some setting in the camera that needs to be changed, hopefully not a continuation of the issue with the A7s.

I brought this up in another thread. I thought it was just due to me over saturating the S-log-3 footage due to my inexperience with it.

No problem Liam. I may have used the wrong term. When I said "unlicensed" I meant music I didn't get a license from the artist to use.

All of the music you may hear in any of my vimeo videos all come from my own personal music library collection.

I've been too lazy to even look for one. Plus, most of the licensed music that I do hear with videos on the net just seems overly generic.

Good Luck to you!! Hopefully in the not too distant future I will be able to say the same. However, for now, my talent level will be keeping me on vimeo with my 1:30 to 3:30 minute videos with unlicensed music.

Kaylee. I couldn't imagine waking up with a tombstone over my bed, and feeling like you've just woken up and returned from being dead.

Kaylee, A Goth but an older one, I remember when "Black Tape For A Blue Girl" was still actually "Black Tape For A Blue Girl" not the cover band they seem to have become today. Haven't really checked out whats new at Projekt.com in a while. I don't have much experience with sony slog other than what andrew has graciously provided for download. I have the GH4, and 8-bit internal V-Log-L is producing magenta -cyan macro blocking in skies, areas of continuous uniformed light colors, and so forth. Most with GH4s have come to the final conclusion that to get the best out of V-Log-L it is essential that you get a external 10-bit recorder to do it justice. When I saw that Andrew had posted some sample S-Log3 footage for analysis and or grading, I thought I would see how it compared to the what I was getting out of V-log-L. From fooling around with S-Log 3, I find I initially like it better than V-Log-L. This could be because of the lack luster log to linear conversion LUT panasonic recommended for conversion, simply panasonic's inexperience to optimized a log profile for a camera in this particular price range or panasonic just wanting V-log-L to be compatible with Varicam V-Log LUTs. I'm not smart enough to give you an informed opinion on which. I have graded V-Log-L and S-Log3 both form scratch, with Avid Media Composer for V-Log L and Adobe After Effects for S-Log3. I have also Graded Both using LUTs I made with LUTcalc version 2.1 which you can modify for most of the various log profiles currently available you can try it here: https://cameramanben.github.io/LUTCalc/LUTCalc/index.html From grading from scratch and using LUTs, I like the the way LUTs interpret the log footage to linear space better. I was told from others after finding out that i thought grading from scratch was better than using LUTs that you could still get a good grade from grading from scratch, however the interpretation from log to linear would be better with the use of LUTs. I didn't believe them then, I believe them now. I don't ever want to get rusty not grading from scratch but I think, IMHO, both combined are better than doing it entirely with just one or the other.

Got bored and did what I think is my last two grades. Some Are probably saying Finally, thank goodness for that.

I understand what you are saying, but I learned a long time ago that a grade is completely in the eye of the beholder. Some people will hate my grade some people will love it. I have seen grades that are technically too dark and some that were too bright. I have seen grades that I thought were technically too red, green or blue, too saturated( my own included) and not saturated enough. Some times you have to look at a grade not in "your own taste"or on it's technical accuracy but as someones else's artist expression, right or wrong and appreciate it for that.

It looks great, kinda looks like maybe an Osiris M31 LUT might have been used.

Nicolas, I think I have to get use to grading Sony S-log footage. I think also, because these clips were all one long continuous shot, that the grade of one part of the clip may have been too much for other parts of the clip. I was use to the colors from my Canon 7D being more or less perfect out of camera. The same goes for my GH1, Nikon D7000 and D7100, and the Sony a6000.

I was looking at the video with the two girls and a guy with the yellow subway train. There is a guy in a Blue colored coat behind them. If you look at the graded footage, there seems to be some purple in the coat as well. I thought it was just my grade but you can see hints of it . albeit much less saturated in the ungraded footage as well. Could it just be the fluorescent lights above in the subway?Here is want I am talking about below.

If some or all of these videos need to be deleted, I will completely understand. Rand

Decided to post 4 more grades. I have a GH4 and Vlog-L, at least in 8-bit mode, doesn't look as good as this does graded.

Here is the graded clip of one of the Jpegs.

Thanks, actually its was a custom Lut I made and After Effect using a custom curve.

New here, but I just love the look of S-Log-3 footage graded. If the photos were posted incorrectly, please let me know.