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https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-GH5---8-Bit--10-Bit--4-2-2--V-Log-L---alles-OK--.html Next part of the Slashcam review, testing 8bit vs 10bit and V-Log L. Summary: They say there is some issues how NLEs interpret the white point and black point of the footage In Premiere Pro CC neither 8bit nor 10bit fit to the whitepaper from Panasonic. In Media Player Classic - Home Cinema the files look exactly the same In Davinci Resolve under OSX the files are different again, even in comparison to Premiere Pro on Windows In FinalCut X the files are practically identical but they can't really judge the white and black point because it gives % instead of values Latitude for grading with V Log is, as expected, better with the 10bit material than the 8bit. A lot less posterization when bending the image. They think both Adobe and Blackmagic have to fix compatibility within their software to really make the most out of the footage and be able to actually judge the 10bit V Log of the GH5

In general or with the battery grip / boost mode? Because Cinema5D says it is 21ms but the guys on DVXuser say it's 30ms. That's a rather big discrepancy in measurements.

Lord, that jello! I think we need great rolling shutter performance maybe more than 10bit. Sony, Fuji and Samsung at 30-39ms is just atrocious.

The Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM extends when focusing and has rather delicate mechanics. You might want to go look at one in a store before buying to see if it will actually perform for your needs, I'm not sure you can mount the weight of Anamorphot + Rangefinder on it without damaging the mechanics and if you use rods to support the weight, you have to adjust every time you refocus.

Sure, with the T bar you have a lot of additional possibilities. But then you also just increased the footprint like crazy and are not able anymore to just put it into a backpack, hence I decided not to bother with it. I would have gone straight for a Ronin-M then probably to carry heavier setups. I'm sticking with using a super clamp on the bottom of the Crane.

I didn't really test it yet, only shot some Hyperlapse travel stuff with it yet and cursed the lacking dynamic range of the phone. If I find time this week I'll try to make a comparison for you. I can compare 120fps with iPhone, A6300 and NX1 if anyone cares.

Get an adapter to mount Nikon F mount lenses on Canon FD? Then you can use all the lenses for F mount that come with a aperture ring including the stuff from Samyang.

Indeed. Quick summary of that part of the review: With sharpening and NR on minimum they are happy with the image quality. They remark o how good the 60p 4k looks, only slight degradation which they think is the difference between 8bit and 10bit due to the white and black points. They think the 2k mode (I guess 1080p, not actually 2k?) is really good and scales remarkably well with no artifacts (listen up Sony, stop giving us super sucky 1080p). Above 60fps there's no full sensor read out anymore, which is not a real surprise. They see two steps in quality, one up to 75fps and then another up to 180fps. There is line skipping so they get moire and aliasing but they still believe it is usable in reality. There is a demo video embedded where they mixed 4k and high frame rates. In the VariableFramerateSettings for slowmo, they camera reads from the full sensor width like in photo mode. The congratulate the really low rolling shutter. Panasonic says 15ms and they think it is accurate. Base ISO is 400. LowLight behaviour is okish. It's good up to 1600, 3200 is acceptable and 6400 is worse. Noise Reduction can't be completely deactivated and they muse if 150 Mbit/s is still not sufficient in 10bit high iso. I guess we'll see if there's improvement when the 400 Mbit/s firmware drops.

https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-GH5-Sensor-Verhalten---Aufloesung--Slowmo--Rolling-Shutter-.html Next part of the german Slashcam review is online. What surprised me: they say in photo mode the crop to FullFrame is 2.08 and for video it's 2.26? I thought it's a straight 2 for both.

@Kisaha I think it's accepted to work like that for these products. After all, buying a RED brain brings you nowhere either until you splurge on a lot of accessories, basically increasing your investment by 50-100% with the lower models. I love the idea of the Ursa Mini. I actually considered getting the UM4k for filming at our place (studio situation stuff we do) until I decided that there's probably no way to match it to the Sony (with my skillset). Then you just wall plug it and get a CFast to SSD adapter. But if you need a V-mount plate, batteries, multiple CFast cards, the EVF, the shoulder mount set... no thanks.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1137315-REG/blackmagic_design_cinecamursashmkm_shoulder_mount_kit_for_the.html In the 395$ shoulder mount kit

Maybe, maybe not. We'll see :-)

Also the interchangeable mount is a really big deal. It opens the door for someone to make a dumb MFT or E mount and bam, put your focal reducer on it! Full Frame, 15 stop sensor, raw recording camera.

It'll do exactly the same as the Ursa Mini 4.6k, just more conveniently for one-man-band shooters. I love it, it's great upgrade. But it's still a big, heavy camera so I'm not a potential customer. Plus once you rig it with the evf, CFast cards, battery, etc. you're probably looking at nearly 10k.

The studio stuff was all announced at the last press conference. I'm really hoping there will be a BMPCC / BMCC v2 but I think the more likely, and really needed, announcement would be the 4.6k turrets indeed. But the B&H page is no reference, they apparently listed the 4.6k Big Ursa like that ever since it was announced, even including the global shutter that never made it to the mini. Seeing how I use Resolve for editing and grading, I'll win no matter what gets announced today

Got money? I just got crazy gear lust!

Current camera (or DSLR size) but m43 chunk of the 4.6k sensor (would be like 3k then) and doing at least 3:1 compression, bigger grip with space for LP-E6, higher resolution screen. I'd preorder that (so I get it by June 2018)!

(That is the YT live stream, will be on 2nd of March) Color me curious. No idea what it might be. Maybe the 4.6k turret for the big Ursa finally ships? There was also just a rumor on 43rumors about a 4k BMPCC but I see that with a big grain of salt... don't want to get the hopes up and end heart broken http://www.43rumors.com/ft3-new-backmagic-mft-camera-rumors/ Never the less, I'm looking strongly forward what new stuff might come to Resolve!

It does. Shot from the same position on my desk at work with iPhone 6s: iOS camera app FilmicPro with stabilization FilmicPro without stabilization I'm planning to buy the newly announced Zhiyun Smooth Q for the gf, with the thought that probably I'll use it even more than her. Looking forward to using that with FilmicPro and then trying to match it to my big camera via FilmConvert.

Yes, I'm also more interested in scaling, motion, etc. As an example, playing the same video via my graphic card to the TV has a slight stutter, via I/O card out of DaVinci Resolve it runs fluid. Color is kinda subjective, everyone sees it slightly different and then add different tastes on top. I'm less sensitive to that but I'm currently really concerned about the bad scaling I mentioned in my post. What's the point of shooting 2160p for a pristine 1080p master to have it then scaled to death by a QHD display? Absolutely true. With the problem on top that you never know if the viewer's browser actually respects embedded color profiles or not. Attack of the OompaLoompa imminent.

If anyone cares (and can read german), the first part of the GH5 test report from Slashcam is online. https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Praxistest/Panasonic-GH5--10-Bit-4K-V-Log-L-Workflow--180-fps-Zeitlupe--Focus-Transition-u-a---1-.html There's also a video in it where they graded V-Log.

@jonpais Totally have to agree with the importance of those investments. All the professionals know it but amateurs like to ignore it. Blowing 500€ on sound equipment is seen as kind of a waste (even though that's actually rather cheap entry level) despite the fact that it would improve their creation by a lot more than being able to shoot 120 instead of 96 fps. Same for light.

So I know that this thread was mainly a provocation based on the "how much better is the F35" discussion in another thread but I'd like to derail it to actually take up the original post's point. Everything looks amazing and/or shit at the same time. It is borderline impossible to judge color, resolution, etc and if you don't do broadcast/cinema, I start to wonder if there's any point to obsessing over image quality. Exhibit A to prove my point: I set up all my entertainment options together with my desktop system that I use for editing/grading/destroying footage and loaded up a video on Vimeo in 1080p at exactly the same point. It is the video "Portrait of Rome" by Of Two Lands which I think is a beautiful video, showing the quality of the BMPCC. Systems to play back were the following (to satisfy @sam): iPhone 6s iPad Pro 9.7" Lenovo Y700 with 15.6" IPS panel at 3840x2160 px via Nvidia GTX 960M Connected to my desktop computer via AMD Radeon R9 390: Dell U2711 with 27" IPS panel at 2560x1440 px, calibrated with Spyder Dell P2210 with 22" TFT panel at 1680x150 px, calibrated with Spyder (but useless as the panel is crap) Panasonic Viera TH-42PZ85E 42" plasma TV at 1920x1080px (that's normaly my preview monitor via BMD Intensity Pro 4k IO card) You can already see on the first view that color is different between all systems, so no matter how much effort you put into your color correction, it's completely random what your viewers will see. But what was also blatantly obvious in this quick and unscientific comparison, but not visible on the foto above, is that even the resolution and scaling of the 1080p video was all over the place. iPhone 6s -> probably streamed in 720p from the Vimeo app, but the screen is tiny so everything nice and sharp iPad -> looked good Lenovo laptop -> scaled great, which is no hard accomplishment from 1080p to 2160p, combined with the 15.6" screen size it was really sharp and nice Dell u2711 -> totally horrific. The video scaled in an ugly way, there was quite some pixelation. Total no go. Dell u2210 -> Doesn't scale really well but it's ok, as it downscales anyway. Can live with. Plasma TV -> I hear angels singing! Image is perfect, no scaling, everything smooth and soft. I'm not sure what I learn from this, as it kinda makes all my efforts to make my material look its best futile. My main screen is the U2711 and that one makes everything look bad, I feel like 1080p just doesn't scale well to QHD, considering that the material looked way sharper on the even bigger Plasma TV. It's somewhat better with really sharp & detailed 1080p material downscaled from UHD but still a big dip in quality. So how do you handle this? What are your thoughts about producing for the web with zero control what people will see?

Just earlier today I read a bit on Roger Deakins forum where people asked him about preferred lens choices. His answer was spherical lenses, as free from aberrations as possible (shall we say clinical?), shooting around f/8 in daylight. So you could shoot that kit zoom and even stop down. The problem is: most of those teaser videos (plus probably most things we here on this forum produce) have no set design and no sophisticated color grading fitting to the topic/mood and especially basically 0 content. This doesn't add any value to this discussion but lately I have a bit of a disinterest in the discussions here because, as people already mentioned here over the recent time, we will never be happy with the technology. But it's because we want to use superior technology to help with certain lack in our skills. 9 out of 10 people on this forum don't need any new gear but better cinematography / set design / production / post-production skills. I'm one of them. Shoot me.

@Axel Yes and no. It would of course make the monitor unnecessary for most applications. But then the monitor can use a sun shade (you will always struggle to see the camera screen in really sunny environments), has custom LUT preview, custom aspect ratio markers, false color, etc. so I would still find use for it. After all you can use the monitor also when on a shoulder rig or tripod, plus it has a full HD screen so it helps with manual focus. And yes, it's the SmallHD 501. Bought it when it was on sale for like 600$ at B&H.