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It is very expensive, but everything new is expensive in Europe these days. a6500 is 1800€ with no adapter. I can see the M5 to go down in price really soon. M5 isn't comparable with a dSLR, as the D750 isn't comparable with the G7 (which I saw in another post recently!).

No, we did some tests before the production started and we couldn't really handled it right, then we decided on some standard things, and that's it. It is our main camera, and use 2 other Canon 5D mk3 for some other stuff. The editor had some issues with the codec in the beginning (AVID), but I believe it was incompetence of the editor's assistant. 2800 is Β&Η money, where is 2.5?! If it stays at that kind of money, I could ask my North American friends to bring me one, so we have 2 on our production company. Perfect for events recordings, run and gun stuff. The price here was 3500euros (everything is very expensive in Europe) 4 months ago.

We are using one for a documentaries series. It is the best value for money camera of its kind. A dSLR killer for video.

It won't fry the sensor! Do not misunderstand me! I just have noticed that the higher the bitrate, the hotter the camera gets. So, I can imagine it is not the best for the longevity of the sensor, plus increases the file lengths quite a bit (I do some events with the NXs, and I prefer using just 1-2 SD cards per camera). Sony on the other side, advices people on the a6500 to hold their cameras until they burn their fingers, so maybe it isn't such a big deal..

120-140-160 I believe is best for hard disk drive space/camera heating (mine gets really warm)-sensor annihilation/file problems created. For casual use and time long projects I do not even bother. Otto is Gandalf the Grey, Kino Seed is Frodo Baggins, and Vasile was that human Boromir(?) that his pride and recklessness made him vurnable to the Ring's power. He also dies at the end of the first movie! The pitty is, we need more allies from the elves and dwarfs, for Otto the White evolution, and the lonely Kino hobbit carry the ring further; so maybe there wont be 2 or 3.

@scotchtape are you comparing g7 with 750?! Are you serious? And I am pretty sure G7's DR destroys completely the iphone 6's DR! The Fuji has exactly the same Sony sensor, how is it worst in low light? Image quality seems better with Fuji, Nikon+Fuji seem to squeeze better performance from the same Sony sensors, than Sony. You can't really say that a6500 has a touch screen either, all the reviews state that the touch screen can do 2-3 things (exactly those), and only 1 works ok. The new Olympus, from what you have read here and elsewhere seems like NOT a good camera (?!)?! And doesn't do anything right? G80 isn't like the best value for money camera right now?! This thread is about 6500, not the 6300. I agree with @Cinegain (again!) but the vari-angle screen is not a nessecity for me anymore, and the way I use my cameras (cage, handling e.t.c) it could easily be a nuisance. The flip up-down/selfie screens are perfectly fine for me, even though it was strange when they first introduced, but this is just my opinion ofcourse.

Unfortunately, it is a very specialized field, and there were only 4-6 people ever did something, while magic lantern has a relatively "huge" man power. It was good as long as it lasted and we should be happy that we managed to sueez a little bit extra. Kino Seed's try (plus the ever wise Otto!) still goes on and deserves a big applause!

I do not think there were "burned cameras", maybe 1, but we never learned if it was from the mod. If I'm remembering correctly. In any case, you can try KinoSeed's just to try some added features (it is super easy to install), and later on, if you like the hack/mod, can decide between's Kino or Vasile's.

10-15000€ are small budgeted? Where are you living?!

I thought you were a centrist (poll-ist), Berlin pushed you at the anarchism's edge (and a6500's chaos and dissorder).

I have to go with the Oly-as it is a new player, and please add a comment or two for the NX1 as well, like you did on the Fuji review.

Same in Greece, crazy custom fees! But nice summery weather 9 months per yea and a lot of hundreds of islands. Oh! And crazy low minimum wages too!

@wobba you can take it however you like, if disadvantages and amateurish problems is your forte, then be my guest! An example is the same heating issues because of the sensor (and architecture) is differently issued by Sony and Fuji. The first just ignores it, and the second sets strictets limits and adds a (paid) battery grip. The second solution is by a serious company that care for their hardware and users base. For me, it is NX1/Fuji/m43 and Sony just after. I already have 3 cameras bought (the 2 best new, and the third slightly used) for as much the a6500 will cost in my country anyway.

Collapsed in sales, not price, the Price will stay.

Indeed, that is why it is a so controversial one! In all, it seems like a slightly pro camera, which its main issues makes it more an amateurs camera, that is priced as a pro camera! We will see how it goes in sales, my guess is the a6300 will be crushed between the cheap-o a600 and the more featured a6500, and that is another chapter of the controversy. why they had to sell such an underwhelming a6300 if they knew they had a better version almost ready? And now that they had the a6300, why didn't wait 5 more months to make an undeniable great APS-C camera? 12-13 months would be much better for the hordes of Sony fanboys that bought the a6300 a little bit less, a little bit back (the a6300 costed 1500€ in my country until recently, now it starts from 1300€. The a6500 doesn't have a price in my country yet, but I am expexting people that bought the a6300 a month ago, they will have lost almost 1000€ in a month). There will be a a7000 in no time, and then, it would be a great camera to have. I am perfectly fine with my NX1/NX500 until then.

It is definitely 10 M lenses and a couple of generations away (or a ML treatement away!) but I am glad they did make the first serious mirrorless camera. We need all the players producing good cameras and up the game For most people dual af and color science (translate= nice pleasing pictures) is all they want. The price will go down really soon, and the M will be more attractive than the a600(a6300) in no time. Also, the myriads of Canon dSLR owners would probably prefer a really capable mirrorless for casual use and/or backup camera, especially while the EF adapter is just under 99$, or given for free with a M5 in some markets. I would, if I was a Canon die hard fun, and there are a lot of those! It is funny, that the first M was the one that made me really interested in mirrorless cameras for the very first time, I thought it would be amazing to have one of those as a B cam, the reality was far different though, and since then , I sticked with NX.

@Andrew Reid a6500 will be on the spotlight for quite a while, it would be good for the forum and the community to have an unbiased review. Also, there is a lot to discuss here, the camera offers more controversy than upgrade, and there are a lot of points to be made. From where the marketing of the industry goes, rise of prices, Sony is worst in almost everything (Fuji/Nikon better iq from the same sensors-ibis better in m4/3 land-worst touch screen implmentation/batery life/ergonomics/menus in the industry-screen dims badly in 4K recording, violent devaluation of the 7 months old a6300, AF much inferior than Canon, NX1 still the best overal experience of a hybrid! APS-C lens selection underwhelming) etc

X@inazuma the M goes the right direction for the very first time, and sales show that Canon must do somethings right. Also, I was refering to the whole Canon range, and the C100 must be the best selling camera of its class. The 80D also, 6D e.t.c Maybe people want less features, but consistent performance. I do not know, as I am spoiled with my NX set of 3 cameras, lenses and accessories. Back on topic, I am not really sure the a6300/6500 series is for, definitely lacks important features for pro (ergonomics, battery life-which the reviews say is worst in a6500, other well documented issues ); the bodies and really good lenses are very expensive (I live in Europe) for amateurs, and hobbyists market is shrinking by the day. Even dpr is critical to the Sony for the very first time, like, ever! Nikon and Fuji squeeze better image quality from the same Sony sensors, everyone has better touch screen (and) user interface (Sony is making phones since ever, do remember) and m4/3 cameras have more features, that work. As of the lenses situation, I am not impressed with the Sony APS-C line up either. Samsung has a few holes (especially in the long tele) but overal is a complete system (excellent 16-150 S lenses 2(!)-2.8f, fish eye, amazing 45+85mm portrait lenses, etc), Fuji has the most APS-C lenses in the market (I think they only lack a fisheye) and Pana/Olympus unlimited options, from very cheap to very expensive.

Kind of cheesy (the words and the cosmos!), but I know that sells well! The editing is very cool as always. Did you use any of the LUTs?

Panasonic and Samsung does it, I shoot with NX500 (and NX1) in the hottest day of this summer, and astonishigly managed to cope perfectly well. Maybe Canon doesn't seem very exciting, but they really work, and whatever they do they do it right. The problem isn't the a6500 so much,but the very mediocre(uninteresting, not well thought) a6300 in between. A6300 is - body only- 1300€ right now, a6500 doesn't have a price yet, and one of my business partners bought a6300 a week before the a6500 announcement for 1500$(body) while he got the a6000 few months before the out of the blue a6300 release (while rumors were talking about a7000 with IBIS, touch screen, double card slots, etc). He doesn't admit it, but he isn't very happy!

@benymypony I do not know what is less serious, someone that declares he has 100k for video equipment, or someone that thinks a good idea is to by a6500+2 batteries+1 lens for weddings. I pass the whole craziness of the idea and stick only to the hard facts. Can you trust an overheating camera as your only one, especially if you live where I (Greece) and 60-70% of the population lives(in hot summery places at-near the equator)? I used the a6300 a little while ago as a 3rd camera (but equally used with the second one, so it had quite a use) and when I inserted my second battery at the NX1, I changed the 4th at a6300, and a6500 is more power hungry. So, I say buy 6 of those, or you have to charge at all times (we did that as well, to complete the party). I had the same lens, and it is amazing for the price and impressive image stabilizer -it was what I liked most from mybSony kit that day, but I had a full set of NX ones used among two cameras, and no way pulling all this with just one lens (certainly you need at least a prime or two, and I always use a fish eye, so 2 or 3 really). I am not sure if a "semi pro" person can afford all these, especially in Southern Europe that Sonys sell for much (a6300 is still 1400€, body only in my country last time I checked). A semi pro cam afford a Panasonic bridge camera easier I would guess.

57$ is just silly! Yes, the additional thing under it is mandatory, it rises it up, so much better for monopod/tripod placement and adds a little bit of height too, plus you can really add stuff, I used to have a matte box. The handle, the protection, and the few places to add microphones/led lights/monitor etc makes it essential for me. You feel much more comfortable with your equipment, plus I noticed that it adds to the wow! factor, something that in the wedding business may play some role, at least in my country (I just did a few this year, I am more in TV/cinema, but I have to do more from now on because there is no industry in Greece!) The only thing I didn't like much is the ENG handle, actually I removed it a few days ago and in a few hours I am going to shoot somethings without it for the very first time. Plus, with the ENG thingy I couldn't fit the whole thing in any camera bag (too wide!) and if I am going alone, or for something small, I don't think I need the ENG handle and the matte box.

I got this when it was 3 times the price! Still I thought I had a bargain back then. I posted this on dpr a few days ago.

Argh! I did a research and it is a very common issue actually! This is a dead thread probably, so we can change it to something more useful, like how to resist sensor annihilation by these damn lasers! What can we do?! The horror! THE HORROR!!

If DT ever watch this, is going to laugh manically for at least 3 and a half hours; and then will try to buy the girl..