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Do you know HOW exactly Canon suddenly became a protagonist in sensor manufacturing? Did they just open a new facility, or what? Do you believe they had any help from Samsung or someone more experienced?

Does anyone knows how it is compared to the Mavic 2 Pro?

The reality is that photos and videos are 2 different segments, I will be in the market for a hybrid camera, so I am in middle ground, but there are a lot of people that do not care much about the video functions of a stills camera, and the opposite, people buying hybrids and shoot a few hundrend photos per year. I am excited, because of the EF adapter with built in ND, and I have a beautiful brand new 70-200mm 4f and some other lenses to adapt, most photographers couldn't care less for 8K video, they barely care for video altogether. I mean, maybe I go with the P6K in the end..and with the money I will save I will invest on an ATEM probably. I already own a good enough hybrid system for most uses (4 NX cameras and 8 lenses) which isn't going anywhere and have all the lenses and accessories I need. I do not shoot many photos anymore, anyway.

How the hell they go from cropped 4K 30p 4:2:0 8bit and 1080p/60p to 8K/4K 120p 4:2:2 10 bit to RAW?? It is like suddenly they found some ancient alien artifact under the Pyramids. This is my last comment of these mythical Canon's; I will be waiting for the official releases/video tests, but I am very curious how they pulled off the trick of the century.. I hope R6 will be good enough, I do not want to spend much on a hybrid.

Do we know anything about new sensor design and/or who is manufacturing them? I remember the Canon fabs were way behind Sony ones, do they have a new one? with smaller, better and more effiient μ proccessing? Samsung Mobile can pull a 32megapixel photo from anywhere in their video, by the way.

wow! very tempting to get AND a 6K, just for the EF mount, and the ATEM capabilities of 2 Pocket cameras. Great one - two punch for most productions!

Only we do not have the full picture yet. I am waiting for independent reviews and personal experience to say it as it is. Right now all we do is speculate, which is fine, but a football game finishes only when the referee whistles one last time, and right now we are in the pre game stage. We do not even have the rosters yet! Until now there isn't a nornal priced Canon hybrid doing half of what is advertised here..

"If they're positioning the R6 as a a7III competitor, then it seems like a Raw/10-bit, 4k60p or even 120p camera is the minimum since Fuji and Panasonic have been in 60p territory for awhile now, and that would easily top anything Sony has. " Which full frame camera from these aforementioned brands offer the above specs?

Do you believe they had the tech and manufacturing capabilities 2-3 years ago, but they didn't care? Why their first RF cameras were so dissapointing, and almost obsolete when the new ones come out, then? It is pretty obvious, and stated by the same Canon board members in interviews and the such, that they couldn't cope with the resources and technology of Sony. Suddenly, while they were 1 step behind, they are 1 and a half in front? I want to learn more about their chips and sensors, it is not a philosophical discussion, I want the science behind all these.

Why suddenly a leap forward? This is like 2 generations ahead of what they were offering until now. I am wondering about the design and manufacturing of the chips and sensors, and ofcourse I am waiting for the real products to be tested.. The only company pushes 8K devices right now is Samsung, by the way. It seems beneficial for both companies to go the same way. Canon produces the videos and Samsung displays them, or else, where are you going to watch those images? As far as I know the Samsung Qleds are the cheapest way to watch 8K at the moment.

Very interesting. I noticed that in their C300mkIII menus, they called EIS as DIS = Digital Image Stabilisation, which is exactly the same as Samsung called their technology. I would expect there is some kind of copyright for such a terminology for a similar system.

Just can't wait for the GH6 now! The R5 will be around 5.000€ in Euroland, if it is 4499$, it will be at least 5499€. The best m43 camera can't be more than 2499€, and this a price I can do easier. The last couple of years I used a lot of m43 cameras for video, GH5 series, Pocket4K, JVC LS300 and I really do not see much gain in bigger sensors for me. For photos though, m43 is so-so.

From Newsshooter "I personally think that the C500 Mark II, C300 Mark III, and the EOS R5 are Canon’s most significant announcements since the original C300. The C300 was the first affordable digital cinema camera that could record in a broadcast quality codec. It was a hugely popular camera for Canon, but just about everything else they have done since has been a little lacklustre, to say the least. The EOS C500, EOS C300 Mark II, EOS C700 & EOS C700 FF were all met with mixed reactions, and all those models failed to gain any real traction in the market."

The Canon costs 20.956.000euros, the FX9 is 13.500, there are not even close, one would expect the camera that costs 1/3 more to offer some more, the question is who is paying the price difference, and if one cares, to do so. Sony creates another instant classic that in time it will be the new FS7 and Canon will sell a few to rental houses. There must be a new Canon near that price range to be competitive to the Sony, C300mkII is 10.800euros, how much will be the new Canon (assuming there is one its coming), and how much will the C prices go down? As much as I detaste Sony and their ergonomics, Canon makes so little sense when they price themselves out of most markets. It is no surprise that most of the TV productions here are made with Sony cameras. I have worked a few reality type or travel shows here with 10bit from GH5, but all the others are Sony. I do not even remember when I worked a Canon for TV. Even C200, I know just a few who owns one, while there are unlimited C100 cameras still in use.

One of the reasons I do not let my NX cameras go. 73 straight minutes. I usually cut at near 60minutes just to be sure. No overheating, ever, under scorching Mediterranean sun or hot indoor theaters. Something remarkable also, no sensor issues (dead/hot pixels) after so many years of use. GH5 is a workhorse. Similar price as a camcorder too. One very interesting "camcorder" style camera is the JVC LS300, do not see why not prefer this if one needs a camcorder. Good camcorders are very expensive also.

From my cold dead hands! I can't even let my AE-1 or Spotmatic go! I fantasize ATEM mini pros and the such now. I do a lot of different stuff, so I can't do with a couple of primes. I can do with a dozen of zooms and a few dozens of primes though!

..the Sony costs significantly less also (as you mention). For how long people will be paying the Canon-premium? Almost everything they have in the market is overpriced. Only thing from Canon I happily overpaid for, was the last 70-200mm 4f. It is a great piece of equipment, nothing else justifies its price for me, especially after the recent releases in hybrids/cine cameras (they also have some very competitive dead cheap EF-S lenses that are ok).

Exactly. One is a hybrid the other will be clearly a video camera. It is amazing that most - usually young people, or photographers - can't fully grasp the concept of a dedicated video tool! With mobiles and newer cameras do both, people have lost the concept of specialising. How many people do you know that they shoot video with 1/500 shutter speed? I see that all the time. So, no need for internal ND!

@BTM_Pix because XC is such a brilliant design, maybe not perfect for a lot of us, but there is certainly some market for it. I was reading somewhere a year ago that XC exceeded Canon's predictions. It is a hard sell at this price for 2020 though.. I believe Fuji has everything, and there is more profit in selling a cheap-ish "cine"/video camera than a APS-C camera when full frame photo cameras have the same or similar price tag. We are still waiting for the new JVC also, I am certain there will be one at some point in 2020 or 2021.

1) euro prices are very different, there is the "EU premium" as we say here. The price are full taxed and including VAT, which for my country is 24%. 2) companies do not buy from ebay. Even me, a tiny small dot in the corporate world prefer to buy localy because of tax incentives. I preffered buying my Pocket and most of their accessories locally for those reasons. Same with ALL my EF lenses. My NX lenses are mostly from EU, as I could find a lot better offers back in the day, the difference was huge, so I didn't care much and the warranty was EU anyway. My sound gear is from very specialized shops like Audiosense.be/Boyznoyz.nl and pinknoise.co.uk (a lot before Brexit, now I prefer supporting EU shops), so, no ebay there too. 3) it is huge to have local/European warranty for when you need very fast turn around and no questions asked and the such. 4) it is a small market, buying locally you are part of the industry and that helps in other ways also (e.g networking) Prices here from the official seller, which almost everyone buys Canon video/cinema equipment from: 1D X mkIII = 7.812euros C500mk II = 20.956 C300mkII = 10.805,36 C200 = 7.050 C100mkII = 3.286 XC15 = 2.418euros If I was buying an XC15 or C100, I would probably search buying cheap, or used, but for anything above, I would buy the normal way. It is very difficult for me to find any of those prices fair in this new market, even if everything is 10% cheaper. A nice S35 video camera from Fuji, less than SH1 - but more video specialized - price would be amazing.

Cheapest C200 cost is 7.050euros here. To rent C100mkII is still 90euros per day, C200 is 150 (C300ii 200 by the way, the new Sony 250). The rent house, which is the cheaperst and probably have the nicest people running it, is 1-2 hours away with heavy heavy traffic from our base and our homes, so there is no easy way to go get the equipment, so you need too much time to go get the equipment and take that back, so that is significant too. If we leave for a 2 or 3 day shooting, we go the previous day before the trip, but for 8-10hours internet stuff, we just can't bother. If you rent the camera, we rent a bigger tripod also, probably lenses and other things, so the cost rises proportionally, so they throw us the 5D, a set of L lenses some Sachtler Ace and the guy from the company brings everything on set, together with lighting (they are specialized in lighting mostly) and I get my sound equipment and maybe an Edelkrone or something extra (which I am not getting paid for that anyway, so I try to bring as less as possible!). Every day of shooting, I was preparing the C100mkII on a shoulder camera bag, and it was ready for the whole day, C300 does NOT fit on a shoulder camera bag - or I wouldn't recomend it - and I have to make and break it the whole day, if it is 1 location, that's great, but usally we do a lot of Km per day on different locations. Usually we use a 7" monitor for director/clients/dP, but yes, the screen of the C100mkII was really terrible, not so in position - I liked it there personally - but in brightness. An XC10 body, or a slightly smaller C100 body, with 4K 60p 10bit, 120frames 1080p would be sufficient for almost everything I do and I use a camera for. For bigger jobs I am usually the sound man, so I do not care about cameras there at all. 2ch inputs, even with mini XLRs and internal ND is all I need! The Pocket4K stays anyway. I wanted it so much to be that camera, but after so much money I have spent (cages, Tilta Nucleus, adapters, external batteries, media) still it is not a C100mkII replacer. The best I can do is just the camera and the 12-100 Olympus, but then there are so many other issues every time. I still get my NX cameras most of the time to be honest. It is the only logical think for Fuji, they are already too late in the game, they do not have anything to worry about, especially when a cheap-ish video/cine camera can increase the sales of their other cameras too, if one wants one system for photos to video, and 2-3 similar cameras for multicam. At minimum I want to have a specialized video camera, a good pro hybrid and a smaller one for everyday use, but good enough to be a 3rd or 4th option, or as a back up just in case (something like the XT-30 probably). They can make a few more zooms, like the Canon ones at 18-80, 70-200, or an 16-80 and even a wider one, and sell them for a few thousand dollars, and still there is a big market for them.

yes, such a camera could speed up our workflow significantly and still have some room to wiggle things. I do not know about the 14 stops thingy though, that seems a bit exaggerated, but I wouldn't mind if it was 13 or 12.5 or whatever! Braw is great, but it isn't "instant delivery" as we used to do with C100mkII footage. We can keep our PK4K/6K for whenever we need Braw or a different flavor, or as a second camera, or as a cheap and indie "cinema" camera, but a C100mkIII could be our workhorse. It is not only small screens though, there is a huge increase on consuming media on smart tvs, tv boxes, Apple stuff, e.t.c The industry starts to move from 6" phones straight to 55-80" Qleds and OLEDS. Especially dynamic consumers 30-60 years old that usually got the money. Pocket needs too many things to become a "workhorse", we all have loved the Canon simplicity at one point in the past.

It is a matter of things, first of all it is a bit more expensive to rent than the C100mkII, the competition is very aggressive by very young people so the budget is undercut already, and finally they go, instead of rent at all, and waste some time to go pick up equipment and the such, let's use what we have in the office. Also, the C200 is a bigger camera than the C100, fully build, it is like building a 3 level building, not very convenient, while we had the C100mkII almost always ready to shoot. To make a very competitive "smaller" video camera is easier today than 5 years ago, it is not by chance that so many voices on social media and forums talk for an XC10 type of cheap video camera. That is vey doable, and such a pity BlackMagic missed a strike by using such a weird design on their own Pocket cameras. There are so many options these days, and I rather have something shooting 10bit for personal use. Braw is so nice and convenient of the P4K though, that is just so easy to shoot raw these days.In anyway, 10 bit is perect for most uses. I would buy anything else before the C200, even if it was 5.000. C100 was out a thousand years ago, it is not the same as selling a 4500$ (which will be at least 5500$ in Europe anyway) camera with only a couple of 8bit options!

Amen... I think some people don't get it though..they are posting hundrends of youtube videos for a few months now, and stil they do not get it..even after your post Andrew.

What C300 guys? we still do not have a C100mkIII a bazillion years after the II. I do not need C300 size/weight/price, the C100 was our workhorse for so many years, C200 isn't even close. Last 3 internet jobs we did we used a 5Diii that is available in the company for pictures, until recently we were using a C100mkII all the time, now, we did a few jobs with a C200, but the head of the office doesn't find it necessary to rent a C200 anymore, so they do not rent at all, while lights and sound have the same budget as before. For years we are crying out loud for an XC body, even if it EOS - M that would brilliant, a few dead cheap M lenses and perfect EF adaptation. If Fuji does make a video centric camera in ergonomics/desing/features, not only in description, I would go all in Fuji, now I am not very impressed with a lot of things (lenses, ergonomics/menu). Noone can really make a body with internal ND? Is that so complicated to achieve? This is mainly the only issue I have with smaller cameras, internal ND filter and a few sound ins/outs, are what we really need for our video cameras, and I do not need a C300 style camera, if I want a bigger camera I can rent, but a smaller one will be my everyday workhorse. Fuji, do it already..and have some more videocentric lenses. I really respect the opinion of lenstip, and says for the 16-80mm, a lens a lot of us were waiting https://www.lenstip.com/571.11-Lens_review-Fujifilm_Fujinon_XF_16-80_mm_f_4_R_OIS_WR_Summary.html "We expected a lot and we got much less. We found out the Fujinon is optically a sensible lens with a universal focal range, fast and accurate autofocus and a very efficient image stabilization. Unfortunately there were some flaws and their number, taking into account the price tag of $800, we consider to be definitely too high. To sum up I find it difficult to recommend this lens if its price doesn't drop fast by at least 25%. I hope it will happen soon and the fans of the X system will have more reasons to get interested in purchasing the tested Fujinon." I will stay with my Olympus 12-100 for the moment as an all around lens, and my 16-50mm 2-2.8f NX. I do not shop only bodies, lenses have to be the right ones.