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I went with the family for a long weekend first time without a camera, I took 3-4 photos with my phone. Last time on a long weekend a month ago or so, almost 200 photos with the NX500.

I thought it was 2022 and all cameras can do it! On the other hand, I bought it to explore the AF potentials of Canon and what brings to the table (still pulling my own focus, that sounded dirty!) so maybe it is not such a deal breaker in the end. Recently, there are a lot of pro's using Canon or Sony AF in TV series that I work and it could be the standard on not very critical situations. It is a nice little camera, definitely not pro quality. I think it is well positioned in the market, with a good set of features, but it isn't in any way the best crop camera around..a starting price of 1.499euros, or less, would be more fair. This is the "Visual Kit" promotion they run, when you buy an R7 or an R10. if anyone wants to mix vacations and some shopping! RF 50mm f/1.8 STM -75€ RF 70-200 f/4 L IS -600€ RF 35mm f/1.8 MACRO IS STM -200€ RF 85mm f/2 IS STM -300€ RF 16mm f/2.8 STM -150€ RF 600mm f/11 IS STM -350€

I got it! The shop I bought it received just 1 copy!! This is the second shipment and it seems that Canon send just a dozen or so for the whole country..this camera will be back ordered for a long time..Canon is giving priority to full frame production anyway. It is interesting that Canon gives these limited copies to specialized shops and NOT to big chains at all.. The manual is 963 pages(?!), not included of course, I got the 16mm RF, an extra battery and the Canon dumb adapter as a launch gift. They run a promotion giving some reduction in price in selected lenses and varies from 75€ (50mm) to 600€ to more expensive ones. I had already ordered the 16mm, as I have other EF and EF-S lenses, but I was tempted also by the 50mm one. Is a brand new design of an old concept, seems like the best cheap 50mm in the market. Unfortunately, I am starting an A.D job and I am reading scripts at the moment, I barely switch it on today. 2 things. It seems that zebra and focus peaking do not work together, and I couldn't find a way to zoom in to focus while recording..the second issue, if true, is a major disappointment for me.. As I said I didn't have time to search thoroughly, I took a couple of videos in glorious desert weather here (Athens, GR) and the camera did get hot a little in the touch. I will have to make some kind of test, or whatever, but it seems to me that it won't be temperature - proof as we hoped it will be.

So, it overheats then?

I believe you already made a very good move with your Panasonic, BM are more specialized cameras for video. What they did to the industry is very significant though, a 4K is dead cheap and can mount almost every lens ever made, and the 6K Pro is an amazing tool with the ND and the bright and movable screen with the most popular lenses in history (EF). Internal ND is the holy grail for cheap video cameras and tick that box also. But IBIS and good AF are very helpful tools to have and for some people must have, so they have to move to other options. No perfect camera for everyone, but so many great ajd varied choices at the moment. Good news for all of us.

..which is 28.8mm on R7 (Canon is X1.6, while others closer to X1.5). What I wanted to say but badly phrased above, you have to buy both Sigmas, and you have to treat them almost like primes, which are not wide enough (for me) and neither go long enough (e.g to cover a staged performance). You would definitely need a wider and a longer lens on the short run. Certainly a good pro level 16-50mm, covering is a better option, or some pro Canon 15-45mm which didn't offer before but I wish they will. Coupled with a classic crop 50-150 f2.8 you are set, and if someone doesn't even care to go than long, can stay with the 16-50mm and just a prime, wider, or longer, depending the personal style. After 23 professional years, and more taking pictures or film, 24mm is my favourite focal length, and another one I use a lot is something around 75 equiv. (So a nice full frame 50mm does the job for me portrait wise. I still use the classic FD 50mm and some Pentax 55mm).

Ι work on a project (music documentary for a local high ranked mainstream singer) with 3 BM Pocket cameras (2X4K and a 6K). We decided to all go with the Sigma's but they need constant change because they are missing to many mm each! Finally, both the 4K changed to 2 Olympus 12-100mm (4f) after only a few hours of shooting the first day. The 6K Pro continued with the Sigmas (because of lack of other choice). A few years ago, I was using NX cameras only, had the amazing S 16-50mm (24-75mm and 2f until almost 33mm, then it goes to 2.8f with amazing I.S), so the Sigma's were a moot point for me and my needs. I was always a bit skeptical about this choice. They are not very light or small either..

I hear you guys, but then truth is that video is a team based job. Even having to carry everything from the car, having a camera on a totally different and remote place, running 2/3/4 cameras simultaneously or whatever.. ..whatever you are writing against it, I can write back a few dozen pages. Just say you have a different workflow, and I respect that, but assistance is always helpful. I only do the smaller of the jobs alone these days. Of course my background is film and tv series, so I am more used to work with people, working alone is a photographer's stance, while moving images is more of a team orientated work, especially we that started with a NO leds and a NO mirrorless cameras work environment. Only to move the medium lights (have you ever seen a 6K?!) you needed 2-3 persons back then.. Anyways, let's stick to the R7, I would be willing to wait for the R7C one, as I have plenty of cameras at the moment, but how close is this camera is still largely unknown, and at what price that would be available? 3.000-3.500? I am quite puzzled at the moment. damn rumors!

@herein2020 All the Canon adapters are very expensive. I have ordered the MEIKE vND (plus Clear, plus 1/8 of Black Pro mist). Performed better in the reviews I have seen for almost half the price. The normal Canon supposedly is a gift with the camera (which I am not sure I am getting it, because I am still in "pre order" status), and I have heard the Viltrox ones are quite good also. Your equipment is the only thing you have in control in these circumstances! and it should be that way. From everything you have described, the less problematic is the use of a crop camera! In no way you have to change lenses all the time. When I was shooting photos I had 2 cameras left and right, and another smaller one with a fish eye or other unique/oddball lens somewhere near. I never changed anything. If you do everything alone, hire someone to help you and ease some of the burden. I read people's stories about doing video and photography and everything in between, but that is not my cup of tea. I prefer to give someone a chance for some work experience and money, and do me a favor to my self! You can be specific about the use of your equipment, and that would make everything easier. e.g you can have the 50 RF on the R7 as a short portrait solution of 80mm equiv..Ultra light setup to have always on you..C70 with the 24-105mm (as you do) and your full frame camera, with whatever matches your needs. Probably a 24-70mm for photography? There must be a way to organize most things beforehand. Or just change one for the 70-200 (maybe for interview?) and that's it.. By the way, the RF 24-105 is better than the EF in everything (something which isn't true in general about all RF lenses vs EF). It is smaller/lighter/faster AF and performing better IQ wise. Anyway, I was never a fun of the EF 24-105, I am not sure if I will be for the RF. Just some ideas. I am not trying to impose anything to you! Obviously we haven't been in someone's elses shoes. You know better your work flow.

Yep, I was talking about the evolution of it, not the actual XC10! It had some serious disadvantages. @herein2020 As of the C70 and R7 situation, using EF lenses makes the most sense right now, and just a few RF or RF-S lenses in the future. Going 18-135mm EF-S for run and gun (that's what I was using on C100mkII) with the ND adapter is a solution. For tele I have the EF 70-200 4f (yes, 4f, mostly because of the lesser weight and size, and cheaper as a bonus). Then you can use some primes, the 16mm RF is my favourite focal length 24mm equiv..or a classic solution of an 24-105mm either way (RF or EF). I do not understand the crop agony..this is what it is, an X1.6 sensor, check your options and work with what you have. I wish there will be some pro level RF-S lenses on their way. I stayed with the NX system because of their amazing lenses, 16-50mm 2-2.8f almost 2f until 32mm (like having some 2f primes at the wide end), a ton of small pancakes (plus an amazing fish eye I use a lot). I hope they will feel the heat from Pana/Only/Fuji, even Sony is pushing APS-C lenses as of late and will release more RF-S lenses. After all these years, I feel that Sony has made for themselves the best situation. If some remember how much I disliked Sony for their sub par releases of the past (terrible ergonomics, menu system, lenses situation, overheating, spec warriors, terrible battery life), lately they seem to do all the right things I have to admit.

XC10 was a brilliant design, I was expecting an evolution of that design to be the must have run and gun camera of our age (something the C100 was). Ofcourse C70 is that good, but a little bit weirder, I guess! And a bit more expensive than most of us would like.

It depends of the use and the personal style. It doesn't have to be right for everyone. I do not use gimbals and I do not shoot out of trains, but I choose to shoot from chest/waist height or even lower (on the floor) or high up (in dance/music/other events). The NX500 I have you can use for Vloging as well (never do, but for family selfies it works) as it turns 180 degrees.

I am for tilt up/down too. It is the way I shoot too, I am always behind the camera, not in the sides, and when not, or stationary I use a Focus. When you are completely behind the camera can have a proper body stance that is easy to keep for a long time without your arm/shoulders do all the heavy lifting. Also, you do not use more space than your body already occupies, and is difficult for someone to knock/push/touch your camera while shooting. The R7C will try to cut some of the GH6 and XH2S sales, and whatever other non full frame sensored camera will be outhere soon; as simple as that. I am still considering if I buy my pre-ordered R7, I wish there wasn't a rumour, and I am not sure why to have that information leaked, when you haven't even sell properly the R7 yet. I am puzzled. It seems that "smaller" sensors are trending again, and as a big fun of the convenience they bring, I am glad to see all these new options and solutions. E.g weight and size plays a big part in my decisions (lens's wise).

I read a rumour today that Canon is planning an R7C for 2023!! That rumour made me pause. I have an R7 on pre order, but I am in no big hurry for another camera..but of course it's just a rumour..I am split at the moment. I can live with most of the cons, it is a middle priced camera after all, but the codec could be problematic, and I do not usually work with proxies. There are cheaper Chinese speedboosters around. The Canon vND adapter is quite bad for 500€, so I have lost faith in their accessories.

After my personal fiasco with the R7 (on the other thread) I explored a bit the Fuji option, mainly because of the versality of the new 18-120mm. At the moment, locally, the total cost of X-H2S+18-120+battery= 4.000euros Not too much, but not a bargain ofcourse.

No such thing as a good luck..they just got it..next delivery unknown..this camera will be the hit of the summer!

Thank you guys, if that guy shows up tomorrow though..I am going to be put on a really big list! I was lucky today go in there, seeing the box, asked specifically for that box at the back of the counter (big box also..), and I tried for the kill!. Hope have the same luck tomorrow!

I found a pre-ordered R7 that stayed 2 days in the shop and the owner seems reluctant to go get it (maybe he has Fuji glass!)..if that be the case for tomorrow, I may have it at the end of the week.. The adapter is included as a gift from Canon, ordered the 16mm as well and an extra battery.. The lenses are not an issue if someone has EF glass, and we all know what EF glass means for the industry, everyone has some, and I am certain there will be a lot of RF-S releases in the future and additional RF ones.. I will be starting slowly with the system and I will see where it gets me. The thing is, Canon is now relevant, which wasn't 3-4 years ago..well done Canon!

Excellent suggestions..as the Breakthrough (sadly) are not officially available in Europe I can't purchase them, and there are taxes and cystom charges. Plus, I won't be able to put them as expanses on my business. I ordered the Meike one, plus a Black Pro Mist 1/8 filter they have. Seemed like a good idea..also a Sony E v60 card. I probably get the 16mm RF then, as it is my favourite focal length (24mm equiv), and will cover lengths I do not already own (except some Samyangs I already own, but they are too big for casual photography/videography). The 32mm with the added IS and "macro" capabilities is tempting though..it is only 100€ more here.. My next purchase will be probably a Metabones kind of adapter, but only if there is a cheap alternative (Viltrox?). I will go to pre order next week. Still kind of enthusiastic after so many years without a Canon body. I was so critic of the brand, but only because it was my first love (AE-1, anyone?!). Still got a series of FD by the way..

Sorry to stay on topic. I decided to go with the R7, is not available yet in my country but I will probably pre-order, as they offer the EF adapter for free if you do. I am not sure if I go with the bundle option though, R7 + the 18-150mm EF-S..I already own the 18-135mm EF-S with the nano motors (used once!), which is amazing, ultra silent and super fast (for what it is..). The RF-S says "lead screw type STM", which I translate "lesser technology" than the older EF-S. Does anyone have an opinion on this? I will try to find the Meike ND adapter also, seems like a nice addition and works a bit better than the Canon (on a more logical price range). If I do not get the bundle, I will probably get one of the cheap RF primes, currently between the 35 or the 85. Reading mixed reviews on both those lenses.. Also, any suggestions for SD cards? What type do you think I will need?

As you most know, using a normal mft lens(most Olympus/Panasonic)doesn't offer any software correction of the Len's limitations. Is the only solution to fix it in post? I am using the Oly 12-100 f4, but all the widest lengths are unusable, especially when most usable (for architectural establishing shots, big groups of people, and the such). Is there any good (and really cheap) mft wide I can use? Even something like a 24mm (35equiv.) which is usually my favourite length.

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Great freebie from BM! That builds some kind of trust between the company and the customer which is almost non existent in these - last - days of capitalism.

I remember having some heated disputes here a few years ago about that specific camera (C200) and the first R ones. For me were wasted money, as obviously were on a middle ground just before Canon started all their modern releases and get back to the game, or not very competitive at that timeline with many limitations. Even Canon, usually very protective of their releases, just "ignored" these ones and are putting out there one camera after another.

As I said in my first post, Canon is relevant back again, it took them few weird years and some uninspiring first mirrorless releases to come to today and offer all these great cameras. At least they try new things and even dare with new concepts such as the C70 and the R5C. If I had to choose my favourite camera for video right now, that would be the C70, for all the reasons we know and you have mentioned, and considering my personal preferences. I am not so keen on the 5RC, seems like the equivalent of the PHEV cars, it seems like a good matching of two worlds, but eventually it will be surpassed by more specialized ones missing the middle point. Right now I have a few cameras anyway, and my main job in the industry is sound, so I am not willing to spend that much. I was considering a 2.500€ budget for a hybrid shooter, slightly more to the video side. I have a myriad of sound solutions/mics and gadgets), and I have EF and some mFT glass, but I live and work on a very hot country so I care for overheating, and I would like to edit natively on a very expensive PC I have. Things I worry about the R7 are the video files workability, the ISO performance for video (not A7Siii style, just to be better than my 2015 other hybrids). I believe I will have to choose between the R7 or the GH6. How's that Meike ND adapter performing? I have read terrible things for the original Canon, not usable after 4 stops, or something..