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GH5 series or A7 mk III series. I seriously doubt Sony will give any kind of raw anytime soon, but I can see Panasonic offer it until the end of the year, especially if the Pocket is for real.

No! Keep the ink for a paid (a la Sony) mid cycle upgrade, or give it for free (a la Fuji) and everyone will be happy!

No! Excuse ME if I sounded too aggressive. I am always trying to help. Unfortunately there are specific laws of physics that the simplest thing, isn't that simple! I am sure in the near future AI engines with multiple microphones will choose automatically and mix appropriately all the sound sources it can control through complicated algorithms and true artificial intelligence. Until then, we prefer directional mics, so we can "concentrate" on the most useful sound, usually what is in front of our camera/frame. Having an experienced sound specialist with the right equipment is the best approach. My specialization is documentary, and I have worked in numerous productions, and recently in spontaneous travel shows e.t.c Believe it or not, the need for an experienced soundman is a nessecity. If you let the cameramen with 2 mics -for each camera, the sound would be almost unusuable. The most "casual" and easy the shot seems, the most complicate and difficult is. Imagine having 1 camera and 1 lens to operate, and at the same time I had 5 wireless and 1 boom. All those had batteries, needed to turned off and on accordingly, had to search for frequencies occassionally while booming the same time for safety and on the spot sound FX (e.g when they were cooking I had to do the sound FX gathering simultaneously with the boom) e.t.c I bet that most people believed that this was the easiest sound job ever! Actually on set and after rehearsals are the easiest jobs (depending the director and if they stick to the script and rehearsals), live and on documentaries a sound man shows his/hers worth. I always propose the Sennheiser 440, I own one too, it is a stereo mic, with DIRECTIONAL capsules. Until the machine takes control - just before the end of humanity in reality -this is an excellent solution.

Tanqueray at the back!! My favorite. I wouldn't evaluate the image of a camera from 2 screenshots and a mobile phone video. But maybe I am too conservative with equipment I haven't touched, or use.

Honest question. Why took them a couple of years to do something that was doable since day 1? Does this have something to do with overheating, and didn't want to fry their electronics early in their warranty period, or didn't want to, just because?

Sennheiser is offering Ambeo for a couple of years now. It is in my buying list for 2020! @kye you are mixing so many things together that is hard for people to reply to you or follow your thoughts. I seriously am not sure if you are trolling, you are very very young, or very optimistic about technology and laws of physics no one has understand and describe yet (especially in sound wave transmission and acoustics in general). If you are going to the Zoo with a full rigged camera, take care and look after your kids, and in the same time you measure for focus, have your light meter to check aperture and hold a boom mic to capture clear audio of your kids make fun on the girraffes 5 metres from your camera setuo, then I have to inform you than not a lot of people, if any, in the whole world would do the same. Then, you want a microphone, in reasonable price, always, that will eradicate and annihilate hundrend of thousands of audio professionals? There are so many people specialized in sound, because there is a need for them.

I am using the Tascams for so many years, and in the same time I invest in cameras and lenses, so when I was ready for the F4 the MixPre announcement came, now I am waiting to see where everything goes and buying SmallHD monitors and Edelkrone sliders! Before Christmas I did a TV show with extremely fast turnaround times and the 680 was sufficient. Then I had to put a small recorder in a car and the DR did its thing again! Now I am doing a few interviews and we are recording on camera and/or DR100mkII, and DR100 works for hours with its internal battery (which I have 2). I get what you say, and I have to see the ergonomics first. That is why I want to use the Mixpre first, and then decide, but I didn't fell in love with the F4 as much as when I was using the Edirol R44 back in the day, and the DR100mkII has been very reliable through the years, and when similar Zooms were 2 tiers down in sound quality and 3 in ergonomics and usability (and 1-2 in price!). When I use the 633, is nothing like anything else though, I guess I am expecting some of this magic from the mixpres, and the truth is that SD usually delivers.

I know, I was joking. Yesterday I had this very conversation, they weren't that happy and didn't even heard about Samsung cameras, but transcoding is easier these days too, at least that was the conclusion of that conversation. Still not ideal.

Dr680/dr100 and rent SoundDev occasionally. F4 is good, just doesn't have the extra oomph that Sound Devices devices seem to have. Unfortunately I know noone with a MixPre to test, everyone bought an F4/F8 back in the day, they are the GH5 of sound! Really dissapointing that Tascam do not compete in this category anymore.

A bit?! Even Apple accepted H265, that means is the new standard! I consider H265 to be one of the advantages of NX cameras, and in this case, it is as well. The H265 (and the similar VP9, or whatever it's called) are the most modern and efficient codec we have, it is not a small deal. I said before, and it makes sense I think, that more people would be interested in efficient 10bit 4K, than feeling hard drives of raw. Raw is very specialized in our workflows, and in a lot of jobs, fast turnaround is more important than exceptional footage.

I like them, and they are cheap (for what they are, and do), but the limiters are very important for documentary and live TV stuff we do, and I have the impression that the pre-amps are on another league, and they do not have to make a new version because their headphone's electronics sucked big time in the first place! The F series seems more robust and straight forward too. I do not like the buttons and wheels very much though. I haven't worked with any of the MixPre though, so I am not 100% sure. Have you?

It is even in the product's page. Better go to the source, https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera scroll down a bit.. there, you got it! It is amazing, and a very simple solution. I do some events per year, and that would be amazing. The camera has a Power In also, so good bye batteries (for events covering).

Yes, it is annoying. we are going to live with announcements from now on, it seems! I bet 4euros, that by the time the Pocket will be ready for shipment, half of the people pre-ordering - from now until then - will have change their minds! The spec wars have just began. I hope we all are going to forget about that in a couple of years, when all cameras will be just amazing anyway, and keep/start creating a little bit.

you forget the golden boys champagne, marketing, management and everyone's pension. Most likely BM has none, or just some of all these.

I have the same issue with my electronic baking machine. 3-4 hours for just one bread! at least it overheats less than my business partner's a6300!

Ofcourse, and the H265 10bit is amazing, too, and not a lot of people REALLY need raw (" For most people that is more useful than raw"). Just the Pocket is more groundbreaking, and a lot cheaper (almost 40% cheaper), I believe they can lower their price if they want. They have done in their previous camera from time to time.

You don't rig an Alexa to film your kid eating with a spoon the very first time, you usually want something you have available, and full AUTO, because you have to live the moment too. I am not sure what ( @kye ) is your problematic here. My experience and impression is, whatever camera you have, if you are with your kids and you take photos of them, no one cares. If you are on a nudist beach with a 500X zoom camcorder, then you are suspect of something! Why do you think that a camera attracts too much attention on a zoo?! I have been to a lot of European ones with long lenses and no one ever asked me anything. I am scheduling one such visit in May and I am expecting to take one of my NX1's and the most tele zoom I have (50-200mm). For most people, vastly majority, a a6000 is more than enough, and that is why those cameras a6xxx have sold so much the last few years - cameras which I detest using, I seriously dislike them, but for an amateur, why not? Even my barber has a a6000 with the 30mm/2.8f, and he was asking me for a portrait lens today (55mm/1.8f was my proposal)!! Quality is good enough for most people (like 98% of the population, us, we, are such a very small group, while the whole world are billions!), and smartphones are getting there too, top mobile phones are good enough for most people already, you just have to pay top money, at the moment. No one cares for sound, as long as you can hear your kid's first words, or whatever (usually those cameras are shot with an -in your face - approach, so mics are really close to the subject), and most TV's, if not all, have crappy sound anyway, with tiny speakers facing your wall, and you hear the reflections, really. As I said, a phone, or a cheap mirrorless/compact, with a Chinese gimbal is what everyone wants, and really needs. Technology is already there. @BTM_Pix I am following closely this category, and I believe it is the future, it is just not there yet. My impression is that 8K is mandatory, there is just too much information, for small 1-2 lens-ed, low bit-rate and resolution, cheap mobile cameras. I have played a little with the Samsung ones, and they were really useless. The 8K will happen, and will push this specific category of cameras. It is inevitable.

I really like the ergonomics for such a camera, that I probably use with a speedbooster, or bigger lens, not so great with m43 lenses, even GH5 is a little more in both size and weight for my taste (even the 12-100 Olympus is too small and light for such a camera). It is actually a bit shorter and has less depth than the Panasonic, and obviously wider because of the 5" screen. I would really prefer a 4" screen, as the best compromise on-a-camera-monitor, and obviously some kind of hinge, preferably the kind of Samsung/Sony has that doesn't take any space from the side of the cameras, and help with lower/higher shots, but for the price, I really can't complain, can I?! If everything goes well, and nothing "better" (= more preferable for my case) exists until then, this is a certain buy. Just can't see how NOT having one for the price. I already have 4 mirrorless right now, I can sell a couple and get this as a more video orientated camera. It is that cheap. On the other hand, this is not a hybrid, nor a photo camera, I can't see that it will replace my hybrid system, or my photo taking machines, so I believe all this negativity against Panasonic is unfair, and really unnecessary as there are at least 5 things that GH5 does A LOT better than the Pocket (and a few more that Pocket doesn't do at all), and the most important thing, is that you can take it right now, and make a video. I doubt anyone here can say the same for the Pocket 4K! GH5 is 1 years old, and shaked the industry well. It sold amazingly well for such a camera, there isn't a company or a group of people that are in the business that do not have one, just in case. What it does is just amazing for the price. I mean, what were the other options last year? What are the other options right now, for less than 1800euros? There isn't any, really. Also, if you need an Alexa, you take an Alexa, how the GH5 is in the same conversation with a camera that cost as much as dozens of GH5, (multiple dozens, and add a couple of GH5s dozens, for good measure!) it is seriously above me. Do really people think, that Arri is doomed because of the Pocket then? We started from killing Canonikon, then we moved to Sony, today we killed Panasonic, and now we are moving to Arri, in just 24 hours!

Smartphones and mirrorless. You don't put your kids on the internet, or at least you shouldn't. Check what a big market pbonr gimbals are. I even bought a Smooth Q just for fun. And I have 4 mirrorless cameras!

Thank you, I didn't know the terminology! @IronFilm I was expecting a bit more for a new F series model, and I believe the SD worth the extra cash, hope it was closer to 1500money though, but you can't have everything! This F release doesn't put much pressure to the MixPre series. Maybe I was too harsh, the FS5mkII is a league of its own!

The cameras you are mentioning are S35, and EVA takes EF lenses natively. For a lot of pros, these 2 things matter. When you say "the codecs are better, the sensor is 5.7" then you mean that it is more expensive! GH5s is 2500euros and EVA is 6500euros here, certainly a lot more expensive, with all these new releases I would expect EVA/C200 to come down to 5000euros territory, or else a lot of people will have back thoughts about investing in them. The other day I was doing sound to a fashion internet tv thingy, and the guys were using GH5 with metabones and EF lenses, and the whole rig was close to FS5/C100 territory, price wise, a C100mkII would be sufficient 100%! And to continue from another thread, the small-ish(I am not so sure that is that small anymore) pro video market is definitely listns to every release. If you had Canon/Sony having the 90% a couple of years ago, BlackMagic (rental houses here got a few UMPs), EZ, EVA, Kinefity, DJI (in a sense) and I do not know who else, cut their 20% until the end of the 2018, then it is something. Maybe they won't get it in 2018/2019, for sure they will know when in 2022 they would have lost almost half of the market. The ability of having this kind of raw for cheap, will give to all the smaller players an advantage. How special the C200 will look -for 9000euros here - when there will be half a dozen cameras (including the pocket and kinedity with their own raw) offering raw, 10bit middle codecs for less, or half, or 1/5 of the price?! The market is changing, fast, faster than ever, and that is because of the small players.

A little meh?? For 12 hundrends I would expect more, and happily paying even more (close to 2000) for a much better device with better insides. This is a FS5mkII kind of release. What is the "look ahead limiters"? I am still saving for the 10T..

I totally agree, and I get and respect the point you make. We must keep a low profile, people have started complaining about all the irrelevant stuff (for such a camera), I just express my impression that BM is a lot bigger company now with a better track, as of recently, and seems the components are more common (the sensor seems like the one everything puts on their video-orientated cameras recently!). With all that said, I would never pre-order a camera just from a presentation. Early adopters usually work a bit like beta testers. Cameras are complicated machines - in both software and hardware, and I would never sold all my cameras in summer, to wait for a camera in September, that only few - if any, will get! Seriously, no point in visiting this thread anymore, as I know all I need to know, next stop: real footage! I will be working with the trusty C100mkII for the next few days, as real as it gets. Really!

This is nothing like the original Pocket, everything is different, a lot of years later, from a vastly more mature manufacturer that seems to make all the right things lately (from post to production, from software to hardware). I am expecting to see some footage first, but I am expecting this camera to be vastly superior to the original, and the image was great, even then.

I am a professional and I am trying to use the best tool for the job. The last cameras I worked with were C300mkII as focus puller with a set of Zeiss and Arri zoom (Fuji), GH5 as a camera operator with the Olympus 12-100mm, and C100mkII with the trio of EF zooms as a camera operator. All of those were set to full M, and manual focus (obviously), no need for IBIS/High ISO/AF whatsoever, but I have to "fight" with the director for my right to use a tripod on the GH5 - IBIS is not a tripod. EDIT: just to make my self clear, out of all these "modern" necessities, I am more excited about the Canon DPAF, more than anything else, but when GH5S/BMP4K are offering, what they are offering, what is the point on paying multiple times their money for a C200? If you need EXTREMELY - very fast turn around, then you don't have the budget, and a 9000euros (in my country) camera is an overkill.