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Actually, https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601441/moores-law-is-dead-now-what/ That is an MIT analysis (no, I do not have a PhD from there, I do have one in Multimedia computing and programming though) There are millions of articles on the web, the paper was written in 1965 and predicted "chip performance would double every 18 months". In 1975 he revised the forecast "doubling every two years", which held relatively steady until 2012. In 2015 Intel stated that "our cadence today is closer to two and a half years than two" and Gordon Moore (of the "Moore's law" fame) stated "I see Moore's law dying here in the next decade or so". P.S who the hell is Gordon Zernich?! That "Down vote button" seems very aggressive to me. I haven't used it, and I will never. You can disagree with other people, in words, or without up voting, the down vote thing is one step before actual (fictional - actual!) violence.

@InazumaSomeone should have copied simple things like those mentioned above though, and still haven't. I know for sure (I read a couple of top Fuji executive interviews in 2016) that they were following NX really close, it could be easy to just copy some of the things that were right in that camera. This are not small things when in the field and ergonomics matter. The line doesn't exist, but the cameras do, and work well, that a dead line from 2014 has some advantages to a newly manufactured camera of 2018, says more for the new camera than the old one though, and that doesn't sound well.

I am trying to be silent on this thread because of the recent bad blood, but I have to say it. Some of the above negatives are the positives that keep us closely to our NX1's so many years after its release. Super accurate and responsive touch control, that can change almost anything with one button (Fn + multi touch functions), plus Fn button on the lens, that can adjust settings rotating the focus ring (yes, it can do that as well). Movie Record Button (programmable), and movie mode (on stand bye) with one button (no dials whatsoever for that, of course there are programmable positions in the program dial if you'd like), and almost everything on thumb and index fingers. Those are small things for some, for others quite substantial, and only @Andrew Reid can confirm these!

The entry level to mid, are probably the biggest market in cameras right now, and I guess always was. In the sales charts that people post from time to time, at the top 20 are cameras JUST released (so there are people waiting for these) and the rest are older models selling for cheap. That no one buys cameras anymore, its a big fat lie, actually CIPA members sold almost 12.000.000 ILC cameras (system cameras, both dSLR and mirrorless) last year, and a similar number the year before, and it seems that this number has been stabilized. With all the new cameras we are having this year, it may exceed that number. And there are other camera manufacturers that do not belong to CIPA as well. All the statistics are here, if anyone can waste 10 minutes of his/hers time, will realize that the only think that is going down, is the point and shoot market which honestly, their mobile phones are better for the intendent use. The market has corrected itself, after the "wild" years of the abundance, that everyone and their mom - literally - owned a dSLR (closets full of them at the moment!), that never did more than 99 clicks, now people that truly care about the image buy cameras. http://www.cipa.jp/stats/dc_e.html The camera phone revolution, I believe will bring more young people into video/photography, and it seems that video creation will be a 1st grade course sooner or later! A long time ago I taught cinema in young kids in summer school, and some of them at the age of 7-8 had the basic knowledge to create short movies on their own. I would guess, after half a decade since then, kids are more video educated. This camera, I won't buy, but it clearly shows that Canon (and there are evidence from the latest interviews) for the very first time is seeing mirrorless as it is, the future, and in the future, I would like to see what their top APS-C mirrorless could do.

I agree with all of you! not a lot of people need 10bit, and the vast amount of the masses do not need nothing else than their mid-tier smartphones camera [just a small minority owns top iPhones phones anyway https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/disappointing-response-to-iphone-x-forces-apple-to-halve-production/articleshow/62705797.cms that affects others too, because Sony had budgeted 120-160.000.000 sensors, and Samsung 40.000.000 OLED screens for this mobile phone only (each camera has its own sensor, while the screen is one obviously!)]. I will be glad to see some footage and real life experiences from the people buying the actual camera soon.

I do not know your age, but its the same story since the beginning of time. It is fun, sure, do you know anyone do not want to pay 1000$ and have a phone/gaming machine/media player/cinema camera/photo camera/sound recorder/coffee maker on his pocket??! Even though you top the game a bit with the Cookes (especially). This conversation happens now, because the first mobiles we had, were the size of your laptop, and barely could make phone calls. We had some political prisoners here, some of them the greatest artists of my country (sculptures, painters, poets) and the only way to express themselves were 1) carving coal from fires they could find 2) the occasional wood from those said fires 3) writing on packet of cigarettes. They had needs they had to express, and they used whatever they could. Sod could use his arse's hole as a pin hole camera, and that would be in all major festivals for sure, probably could have won some as well. When one is "no one" shooting an iPhone is the same like the dozens of millions shooting on their iPhones on youtube. Also, you put those two words in the same sentence, negating all the arguments I made, and from the hastiness of your reply, I guess you didn't even bother to read my post! but I would like to add another point in your argument (because I am such a nice guy!), I would add an older film made by an iPhone, by an arguably excellent director (his first films especially), that shot a 30min film in 2010-2011 with 150.000$ (with inflation that is more with todays standards) http://entertainment.time.com/2011/10/26/park-chan-wooks-night-fishing-the-future-of-cell-phone-cinema/

It was a joke about the aluminium foil they had to use to fight overheating in the video. Overheating, inconsistencies (shots were different, even if they were shot continually). Is a very useful video, because unlike the other videos you posted, in this one they DID try to make a short 30 seconds video production, and not just some random limited shots. Also in the videos you posted the people say about how the image falls apart in night, and how the image of iPhone (which admittedly is great for what it is, I do own one of the modern smartphones shooting 4K and all, and was higher scoring than the previous iPhone in imaging capabilities) is baked in, and not really able to do much. Also, why everyone on forums talks about "the iPhone this" and "the iPhone that", the top camera phones at the moment are 1) Samsung Galaxy S9+ 2) Google Pixel 2 3) Huawei Mate 10 Pro 4) Galaxy Note 8 , and I do not see a lot of films in Hollywood (or even Bollywood) made by any of these. Sure, Samsung and Huawei and Google are rich enough to pay someone to shoot a film with their phones, I am certain that will become the norm, now that phones have plateuaed is other specs, and the fighting happens at the camera department. Anyways, this phones cost close to 1000$ when new, with 400$ you can buy an excellent older flagship or todays mid-tier phone, with great snap shot capabilities to replace your old Ixus point and shoots, and with 500$ can buy a new camera that can be many times better for photo and video, even from the top Galaxy S9+. I do not follow youtubers much, but this is a similar argument CaseyNeistat did in one of his videos. Watch at 4:19 and the chart he did. Camera market from Aspirational to Pro . Starts with Point N Shoot, goes to SLR and reaches Red territory. Where are the phones you ask? Well, at the back of the card, there is another segment CASUAL As F#$% = just use your PHONE

In fact, cable TV stations here require BBC/EBU standards, and this is the norm in EU, I know because I did sound on a couple of this last year. Most terrestrial channels ask for 4:2:2 8bit, but most of them are not very anal about it (a couple of years ago a C100 was enough), but on another 2 shows on private stations, they requested 10 bit, so we shot with GH5. A few other jobs I did this year needed top specs as well (a feature documentary we shot C300mkII, and a couple of shorts with Ursa mini pro), and this were just medium to low budgeted jobs. I do not thing that this conversation is relevant here though. Different tools and different needs. The @Alt Shoo expressed his opinion that this specific tool isn't right for his intended use. No one should have been offended by it. This joke about Soderbergh's film will go on forever I guess. If you feel confident do your work with an iPhone 7+, be my guest, no one will judge you, and I support every artistic choice (my favorite films of all time are Italian neo realistic films and indies of all kinds from around the world), but this is not a serious argument for a dozen of reasons, thoroughly discussed on similar threads, or in all the other threads that this arguments out of the blue appears to bring off topic comments and confusion (e.g the thread about the Canon's, which suddenly became an iPhone Vs all the cameras challenge). If I cared about photo and video, and I have to choose between an iPhone 7 or a X-H1, I would choose the latter, in every possible way.

@samI seriously do not understand that iPhone argument at all. Sure, there are bikes that cost 150$, my bike costs close to 1000$ and I use it once or twice per week, another friend that goes biking every day has a 4000$ one (he likes them very much, and electric guitars also), and the kit an amateur down hill-er has is up to 10.000$. I seriously go down some paths myself with my bike, and sometimes I use one I bought in the 90's, it does the job perfectly. That applies to music instruments as well, which is even worse (because you seriously can buy a very good instrument for 300$). I do not get the point of using a lesser device when you have the tech and variety of choices with very small prices as well. Well now, if you are a professional, you couldn't bet your life on a tool like an iPhone, that does NOT have sd cards, ergonomics - whatsoever, dedicated native lenses or mount (the ones you linked count as a Metabones?), a sensor that can shoot in 800/1600ISO, and still there is some information there to tweak a bit (I am not a major "tweaker" myself, but I always do some kind of post), battery life - and the ability to change 1,2,3,4,5 batteries per working day, no I/O ports at all, and all the reliability and little things that are important to advanced amateurs, semi - pro and pro people. Also, I have run out of aluminium foil. Can't wait for @DaveAltizer 's results!

http://www.newsshooter.com/2018/02/22/panasonic-gh5s-good-bad-clean/ "The GH5S color is different to the GH5. In “Standard” photo Style the colors are so close on the chart it’s hard to tell them apart but they are different and Panasonic is clearly improving or at least tweaking the color science with this new sensor. Skin tones are very different." There is a whole thread about the GH5s by the way. From all these cameras mentioned, this is the most interesting to me, so far.

@anonim of course, every tool for the job. I wish there was a camera, offering EVERYTHING! but it isn't possible (and probably will never be, perfection does not exist in human creations, because we are not perfect either!). For the kind of job I do, IBIS is not a deal breaker, I mean, it wasn't for so many decades, can't suddenly become a huge problem in 18 months that cameras have IBIS, but what I said is true. I see people been lazy carrying tripods out of the car, because "it has IBIS, do not worry". A worked with a director before Christmas (and one of the older generation here), and he was complaining because I was using a tripod, he would prefer to do the shots, however, but immediately. For the same job though, at some interiors inside a car, the IBIS was very helpful, but I wanted my tripod shots, on a tripod! Funny thing, since then they didn't call me again for work! P.S haha I doubt the problem was my "tripod mania", there are already 2 cameramen and 2 sound men working there already!

As you have noticed (big time I guess!), I am not convinced by the X-H1, maybe the X-T3 will bring a newer sensor and processor and fix most of the little issues, we have to at least see what the a7Siii brings to the table, the R and III are brilliant proposals - easily the most convincing Sony's for years, and of course Canonikon has to make a statement, they can't be left out of this race completely. I wish the Fuji's were better, after NX, I thought they would be my next option, but they are not there yet, and I wish Sony did a pro APS-C camera. I am still trying to resist the full frame wave, because I love the APS-C (S35) aesthetics and practicality (with focal lengths, depth of field, light gathering, etc), the lenses have the right size and weight (not too small and light, not too big and heavy) and usually the price is a bit smaller as well (not always, but in primes and pancakes, usually is).

@Emanuel exactly! some times I see the Northerners look down to us with a different look! The social and working systems are not flawless here, and most of our buys have to be spot on. If I do a couple of buying mistakes, I could be out of the market very easily, or couldn't compete (especially in prize and time per job). I did my Bachelor of Arts in UK, in Film and Video (last bachelor degree with real film on the island) and did some jobs there, mainly on sound, that was after my 2 other degrees (in Sound and Multimedia computing and Programming) and after a good 5 years in working experience. Great times, both in Brixton and Manchester. Europe was our playground back then, today, not so much, and UK, not at all! I haven't been there since 2013/2014 I believe. @mkabi Oh, my yes! Every time I watch a film, I am wondering what is real, and what is CGI, the use of green screens, even in simple frames, is unbelievable! Lately, every now and then, I go back to watch films from 50s, 60s. The simplicity of their construction, but the multiple levels of acting and script writing , brings some balance to my digital soul!

@Mark Romero 2 Haha!! Have run out of those too!! @Emanuel The cameras we have are equally important with the ones we would like to buy, everyone has different needs, and thankfully we have great options these days (especially these days!) for every pocket, artistic ambition, or working tool ruggedness! I would like to mention here, that I just replied to the GH5S thread, and the brilliant @DaveAltizer comment about that fantastic camera. I am very much tempted, but I am playing the waiting game! I still hope for a Canon C100mkIII, as the C100mkII is the camera I have used most probably, but the GH5s is a very exciting tool (as exciting tools can be to us nerds!). So, @jonpais is the A7iii your vote?! It was really tempting, but it is too soon I guess, I would like to see some stuff, and I am not yet convinced I want(or need) a full frame system.

@DaveAltizer Have run out of likes! But even if I hadn't, they wouldn't be enough for your rational judgement! Of what I have seen on line, the GH5s is not a low light GH5, actually it should be something completely different in my opinion, and called different. Is a very different camera, with the same body. I would love to see something similar between this and the EVA, with a more proper video camera ergonomics (ND and all) for 3-4000euros. This is still a segment that C100mkII is rather old, and the JVC LS300 is not completely convincing. I am also not a friend of IBIS. The reason you mentioned ofcourse, an IBIS stabilized shot is NOT a tripod shot, and the fact that people got lazy, and people with GH5 rarely use tripods/monopods/cranes/gimbals anymore; and I am talking about professionals. That is a shame in my opinion, because they are missing narrative elements and stylizing tools - if that makes any sense. The Olympus is already pretty good in GH5, definitely my favorite setup, [after the NX1+16-50S (which is equally good stabilized and is a 2f APS-C lens on the wider focal lengths)], but the Olympus is outstanding for run and gun stuff, and that manual focus.. Some times, for us, hard working run and gunners, the ability to have such a lens is the difference between bread, or not, on the table! I am waiting for the whole segment to unfold, and hopefully a C100mkIII or a JVC LS400 find its way to the market, but the GH5s is a very video orientated, specialized camera, that can last a few good years. Great investment in my opinion.

NX1 !! Because I do not have to spend money on a hybrid for another year, and can continue "invest" on lights, sound and upgrading my editing machines. (I bet you saw that coming!)

@Emanuel Not at all! We are "old timers" in this sport and from similarly small markets from the south of Europe. @mkabi not at all. no problem. and sorry for interrupting your train of thought.

No offense (disclaimer: no offense), but I do not believe there are many people in this industry able to shoot Alexa, and choose Fuji, or GH5, or anything else, instead. I am not sure you know how the industry works. A 100.000.000 film won't cut money from the camera. Maybe they will choose a different actor, that will cost them 1.000.000 rather than the 10.000.000 of Brand Pitt and executive producer credits (and percentage of the profit), but a major film, will use the best equipment available. Even here, a tiny market, and the big films and commercials are shot in Alexas or Reds. But there will be a lot of low to middle clients, ask for 10 bit (it happened to me twice in 2017) that can't really afford it, but now with the GH is possible, and cheap. No shame in anyone's choice of cameras. Different tools, for different people, for different jobs. The thing with the GH5 is that does a few things, that NO OTHER camera does for the price, or even 4 times the price. The thing with the colors is overstated a bit. There is a similar discussion in the A7iii thread right now, there are people that like Sony colors (yes, there are) and there are others stating that whatever you want, you can achieve easily in camera by the settings. I have said before, that plug ins/luts/settings can achieve anyone whatever look he wants. Color science is a lot better right now, than 10 years ago, when digital was in its infant stages. No offence. Fuji is a great company, I still own 2 of those from their early digital era, and I am still in the fuji.co.uk mailing list. For most people are enough, and probably the best choice.

It is unfair to carry practices and differences from other threads that derailed big way, and still do; not productive and not worthy at all. This is "The truly independent voice on cameras. " (at the top of the main page) and it was like that until recently that people tried to control content. C100mkII is one of my favorite cameras of all time (the other is the NX1, just saying..!), but it is a workhorse camera that pays bills. The one I work with most, works continuously (the company rents it as well) for probably 1500-2000 hours per year, and changing lenses unlimited times, and it still works as expected. I do not think that the specific camera we are discussing here will be mentioned in 3-5 years after its release (like the C100 does) in anyones list. Especially when the 1300D is 295euros (350euros kit and 440 with 2 lenses), the 750D and 200D between 490-520euros (110-140euros more) and there are a lot of very low priced offerings from the rest around that money with arguably a lot better photo and video experience. In the end, there are only just cameras, I am pretty sure most we have better and more important things to do daily, but come back to ex-change opinions, views, experiences. It doesn't have to be a struggle. I'll butt out too (but I will be back, I hope you too!).

@kye the internet is everywhere, beware! I just quoted info about the camera, hardly my personal opinion, as these are hard facts. Also, there are more than a dozen people "ridicule" the camera above, or just expressing their disappointment or dislike of this policy (put some leftovers together, and voila!), including the very creator of this very forum; I don't get why I had to be "attacked" personally! Until recently, there were non drunk people here.

This is a great release. Sony nailed it with this one, even more so than A9 and A7rIII. I wonder how cheap the previous A7 cameras will become now, and what is left for the S. Exciting times.

1) Canon hasn't made a profit yet, because it hasn't sell one yet 2) From the 11 lines, only 1 and a half is mine - summarizing the quotes, and still you preferred to comment on the 10% of the post. 3) Canon certainly makes profit, you are not Canon though..... and one bonus for you. If it seems strange to you that people do talk about products on the internet, then you haven't been around the "internet" long enough.

Only that the film was shot on iPhone. Get it? iPhone, not a Meizu, not an Oppo, not a Xiaomi Redmi 5, not even a Motorola. Where is the "democratisation" when the phone you use costs more than a 4K APS-C camera with a couple of lenses? and how cheaper you want a dedicated camera that can have new from 350$ anyway? I have a brand new and quite capable camera phone, and the images I get VS the ones of my APS-C cameras are just laughable. Cough cough .. "publicity stunt" cough cough..

This is a very fair and interesting review of the camera, in case someone missed it.