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@Mattias Burling NX500 cost half the money of 70D and still is by vast oceans better in most things. NX1 is a direct competitor to those kind of cameras and totally annihilates them. Cameras don't kill people, people do! @jonpais to ignore something is even worst than a bad review. Ignoring is not accepting, something ignored and not spoken for it doesn't exist. Also, the DPR review came when Samsung decided to kill the division, that same year DPR awarded NX1 as best in its class (including the 7, and 70D cameras by the way), and the 16-50S as the best lens of the year. Too late though. Also, when the NX500 was out, everyone laughed about the 4K crop (and the lack of EVF, which for some is a big thing I admit, not for me obviously), when the D500 came a year or two later, with a 8mgpxl smaller sensor, and a huge and heavy body with a similar crop, it became the best camera of its category. The Cinema 5D's review was the first and influenced most the industry. DPR did the aforementioned good things about the reputation of NX1, but it was too late. Mainly it was managements fault, review of the market/trends (mobile camera phones are much more profitable), power strangle inside the company, and the such. The camera was great though, and the system back then(and still now for the most part) had a better lens selection (and cheaper, in APS-C always) than Sony, Eos M, Nikon is not competing, and in some specific areas better even than Fuji (of course not as complete, but the S lens is unparalleled, the similar Fuji has no IS and its worst in most metrics, no native fish eye in fuji etc.) One of the reasons I am not changing, is because there isn't a clearly better APS-C camera right now in the market (and I am talking native APS-C), nor a better lens selection for what I DO (and I have 4 NX bodies and 7 lenses), or I have to "invest" a substantial 5 figures number to achieve something similar. I do have the feeling that we will see something soon, maybe the new Nikon, in anyway we will see, and NX is still relevant. Remember, back then GH4 was a 16mgpxls camera, and Fuji also without doing video.

LS300 suffers from extensive noise in shadows, and it is not even close to a C100mkII. We used to use the JVC LS300 with a metabones and EF lenses (now we go native as well, as the company bought GH5). C100 already downscales to 1080p to be honest, but the speedboster alone doesn't compensate for the high ISO capabilities of the C100 sensor. Also, you have to add aditional cost for extra equipment. As I said, the magic of C100 is its simplicity! The 4K/60f is only with the Atomos. The normal slow motion of the LS300 is dreadful (unusable), they crop huge too. C100mkII is a worry free camera, you shoot, you transfer, you use, you deliver. Most of the other options need some rigging, tweaking, external stuff, etc. There was a good sale of C100mkII with a Ninja too. I believe people shooting with a C300 and a lens is out of necessity!

Completely different cameras. Size and ergonomics completely different. I would go Canon C100mkII for sure. My favorite workhorse of a camera, low price, extremely capable in high ISO, incredible Dual Pixel AF - the only worthy of pro use, best size per performance codec ever (Canon voodoo here, for sure), deliverable picture almost immediately. Best size and weight for such a camera. If you care more for the extras @IronFilm mentioned, then C300, but then there are better options out there in that category (he named few, definitely more research to find out the best option as they vary in era, features, weight, ergonomics, ets), and with C300 you need a full rig for it, it isn't "plug n play" such as the C100. If you want more options for a dead low price, the aforementioned JVC LS300 is an extremely and unexpectedly capable camera. With all the modern bells and whistles (no worthy slow motion though, worst ergonomics than Canon, worst low light capabilities, C100mkII is a low light monster - do not forget), some innovation (prime zoom function, native m43 - S35 sensor!) and in the dead low price (new) was an Atomos recorder (I do not know if the offer still stands) capable of recording 4K/60f, so a camera still relevant for the near future. JVC does cameras since forever by the way, in 1978 (yep, when Super 8 film was still king) they did the first ever portable video system, and in 1984 they did the first all-in-one video camera ever (camera and recorder in one box)!

@byuri734 NX500 is a lot better than the a6000 both in specs, and real life use, it's not even close. It doesn't have EVF, I haven't used an EVF since forever (and NX1's is amazing), and the Super AMOLED screen never dims, in no circumstances whatsoever. If your shooting style commands a camera stuck to your eye, and your nose is a few millimeters long, then I am sure you do enjoy the a6000's EVF.

http://www.cipa.jp/stats/dc_e.html dSLR 10% down, mirrorless 40% up, a tiny little better than last year (I could guess a EOS M model every 3 months, and GH5 did their magic for 2017). a lot of cool statistics! In the graph one can easily see the huge decline even between 2015 and 2016/2017. Do not try to find data from a decade ago, will be depressing! EDIT: well, I did it for you, 122.000.000 cameras sold in 2010 109.000.000 build-in lens and 13.000.000 dSLRs 2017 13.000.000 build-in lens and 12.000.000 ILCs. Not that bad actually, the compact market just crashed, but if you compare the numbers, the years around 2010 were abnormal, as 122.000.000 cameras are too much in any sense. We all know people with an entry level dSLR that got bored after a couple of months. That was around 2010!

@byuri734 That camera exists and it is called NX500. Records continuous video for 78 minutes. No overheating, 4K(crop similar to Nikon D500). 28mgpxls BSI sensor. With a vastly superior kit power zoom lens than Sony's and one of the best SOLED touch screen implementations ever (still best menu system in the industry), and amazing ergonomics (for such a small camera, do not put any speed boosted 70-200 on it!) 2 wheels - on thumb and index - for basic operations (Sony hasn't figure this out on their newer APS-C cameras yet). Bonus: best connectivity features back in 2015, now others catching up (and exceed), but still relevant (Bluetooth, WiFi, NFC etc). Only thing that lacks, a mic in!

The most cameras I see on holidays, abroad, museums, archaeological sites are smartphone's cameras (of course), or cheap entry level dSLRs, by a huge margin. The mirrorless world is catching up, and slowly replacing older dSLRs in the field, but I am not sure how many people are preferring stand alone cameras to their smartphones (which became better and better, alas sufficient for the masses). People the last few years have been asking me what phone would buy to take pictures - not what camera! Eventually, mirrorless will replace all dSLRs, but they won't be a lot of buyers around, that is why most of the manufacturers are going up, in prices and features. Canon should create a 1" camera module, and do some "powered by Canon" thingy with a big phone manufacturer. Point and shoot are as dead as a Dodo.

GH5 is not "marginally" better than the GH4. That is not even close. I do not think that we will see another NX camera.

Good to see my favorite cameras of all time(until now, and Canon C100mkII is the right one) to jump start this thread!

We are the 1% of the 1%! Eos M would always be my first recommendation for amateurs, willing to buy a system camera. They are build to appeal to large masses of people, doing simple things right. I wouldn’t buy one right now (even though That was my original idea, before going NX), but the lack of native lenses/pro bodies/technology isn’t there yet for most of us (the 1% percenters, of the 1%).

Does anyone see this camera cutting sales from the EVA? I do! Panasonic going all in with 4 cameras in less than a year.

@maxotics The two aforementioned Kiwis (sorry @IronFilm !) did the "What we do in the shadows" film. Taika directed tha last Thor:Ragnarok, which is watchable (most of those comic films are really terrible) and has some sense of humor. This is a huge step from someone that became known from this film http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0494222/?ref_=m_nmfmd_dr_12 Very interesting and talented duo.

A have a couple of deadlines for the next dozen days but I will try to watch after that. I guess it is a mockumentary? I like those (Spinal Tap anyone?!). @maxotics Taika Waititi and Jemain Clement are two of the most talented men of our (I am a bit younger though) generation. I am following them for years and years. They have reached "mainstream" status now, something I could never imagine, especially for Taika, they have reached Hollywood top but still they are offering an indie eye on their projects.

@Robert Collins The ones that we have a moving image background, having IBIS is something that happened a year or two ago. The best IBIS in industry (Olympus) was a photographic affair. People were earning huge amounts of money stabilizing cameras on set, that was, and still is, their only job. A photographer is a guy (or girl) having a camera, a couple of lenses and a flash gun, and that's it. With that setup you can do a great amount of photo work. Controlling motion and emotion through continuous -or not- time is something different and usually takes more than 1 person (the bare minimum is a camera person, and a sound person). The same goes for AF too, until Canon Dual Pixel, especially on C300mkII/C200 cameras, AF was something completely exotic to moving images. Best lenses in industry, that having a few of those, probably cost more than your house, do not have any auto focusing mechanisms. Best cameras in industry do not have IBIS too.

@jonpaisIt is a bit pointless to be honest, GH5 is not even 1 year old. If people want a new camera every 6 months, then there is something going wrong in this world (get the big picture, having new products every few months will impact working hours, the environment, depreciation of prices, etc etc, it is not as simple as putting a couple of features and call it a new camera, especially on multinational corporation level). I disagree with the "class leading battery" though, the GH5 is nothing like the GH4 or NX1, for that matter. We tend to carry 4-6 batteries per GH5 per working day, while I only have 4 batteries among 2 NX1 cameras I usually use. I believe it is slightly better than Sony cameras, but not much really, at least that is my impression, as GH4 are rather rare these days. @DBounce sorry, I didn't get your point. I compared "mirrorless cameras". GH5 is 139x98x87mm/725g NX1 is 139x102x66mm/550g while the first has a 13x17.30mm sensor and the other 15.7x23.5mm. Sony and Canon APS-C cameras are even smaller and lighter (that is the other extreme though, in terms of ergonomics), X-T2 133x92x49mm/507g (I would like a little bigger grip here), and A7Riii is 127x96x74mm/657g with an even larger sensor (24x35.9mm), and older mkII versions are even smaller and lighter (which is a disadvantage of the older generation, as full frame lenses need more grip). The point was that GH5 is already as big and heavy as it should, a little bit more on both, would become a disadvantage (for me already is a bit heavier and has more depth than it should).

@cantsin how much bigger? It is already the biggest and heaviest mirrorless there is, with the smaller sensor. I do not think size had anything to do with that decision. Also, none of the interviews I listen to mentioned anything like this, of course I could be wrong. 8K TV won't be a reality at 2020. I do not even own a 4K TV at 2018. I see 8K more appropriate for specilized purposes, like Virtual Reality and 360 videos.

I looked a bit on the specs, it seems like a different sensor. It can do 2.7K at 60fps, best compromise for most people. It does FHD 120fps while the other Mavics 96. 100 vs 60 is a significant increase in bitrate. It is closer to Spark's size and weight, than anything else. Now I am waiting for the old Mavic with the 1" camera, and we do business. I am wondering where the Phantom series will go. The Air surely will eat up most (if not, all) of Mavic Pro's and Platinum's sales, so they have to come up with a 1" camera. Maybe they will keep the 1" camera for the Phantom series, and up their bitrate for the bigger Mavics. Exciting though, a 1" Mavic would be amazing even for most pro people.

I do not disagree in principle with you @mercer, just saying that Canon has a camera that does A and C, and some of us are missing the B part. I personally, would prefer to have a Canon camera, and love the touch AF and the Canon approach on ergonomics/color science e.t.c but they are going to loose a lot of customers, going EVA/Ursa mini pro/FS5/FS7. When they have the new C300 out, I am positive that they will give that middle coded but until then the C series is loosing ground. I live in a pro-Canon country, and I remember how many C100 and C300 were out there, and I can not say the same now. Believe it or not, GH5 is eating their pie too! Also, I can not possibly invest on a C200+one or two CN-E lenses lightheartedly, especially when a FS5mkII is right (or should be) in the corner, and already offer a cheaper alternative to the CN-E lenses (and much cheaper Fuji ones).

@Antonis Lol. Who are the others? Only the GH5 does that internally.

BBC it is not just a TV station in UK, the number 1 cable TV station here gave us a few pages of standard, and they were the BBC ones. They even asked for surround sound (which didn't happen in the end because of budget restrictions) but in the end we went with the C300mkII. Specs are not just numbers in pro numbers, organizations and TV stations can ask for whatever they want, if you do not provide, you can rent of course. It is no secret the C100mkII is my most used camera (more than my NX cameras) but in some cases we had to use the JVC LS300 because we had to deliver a more robust codec. The truth is that I paused when I learned about the non existed middle codec.

Of course that varies among industries and uses, but the point I made was that - some - TV stations here ask for 10 bit delivery, it isn't about what I like, or what I prefer to do. Even for a short film you need someone to upload the footage somewhere, so you need another person at least on set, and somewhere to set shop, which isn't the most convenient when you shoot externals on a low budget short. We are going to shoot one in spring time, and we maybe use the C200.

@ReinisK I do not usually post jobs on the internet, for various reasons. The 2 lenses I mentioned are much better than a 18-200, but the 18-200 is more versatile because you do not change lenses, for daytime it is ok for most low budget jobs. One great thing about the 18-200 is the fast touch AF on day time. For some reason it may be one of the most efficient AF touch for NX. The IS on both lenses is really good, I am not sure if it is any better than the 18-200, I would say it is equal. The PZ is also very small and very light, so can even put on a smaller one hand gimbal (I used mine on the big Ronin though). If you really want to upgrade you should consider the S lenses. Everything is much superior on these lenses, and still can be used on the bigger one handed gimbals (Crane 2, maybe Crane V2, the new Ronin - S for sure). @keessie65 has a whole video with it, isn't that enough? I do not understand what are you going to do with the old EOS camera.

60D was a great camera at the time, did some personal projects with it, and low budget stuff, 80D is more like a joke of a camera. Seriously, what is the upgrade vs the NX1?? Slightly better AF? The NX1 with the 18-200 (terrible lens, but versatile) is around 98% touch focus success in day light. The NX1 is so much better in everything, that a slightly better AF is not doing it. And it has a time lapse mode also. To really upgrade from the NX1 you really have to go much higher, and still not everything is so much better, especially if you truly need a true hybrid camera. The top Canons, like Dave (and you) mentioned and the A7Riii are the ones coming to mind now. If you want to specialize in video, consider buying a more typical video camera form factor. In my opinion still can't beat that for video. Canon C100mkII is a very good camera, if you do not shoot, or need 4K, and 80D isn't a C100mkII in dSLR form, no way! You should have stick to your NX1, and wait for the next generation though.

The need for a middle 10 bit codec is true. There are clients that ask for a relatively fast turn around and 10 bit files. Canon Raw is good for video clips or specific small-ish projects, and the lighter codec good for most, but there is a valid need in the market for 10 bit files - latest TV shows I worked for were shot in GH5 for that specific reason. That is why Panasonic has sold a lot of cameras in the industry. Cheapest 10 bit camera around. I am not sure if GH5 created that need, or the need for more robust workflows created the GH5, but the lack of that middle codec is making me NOT to buy a C200. I would rather prefere that "middle" codec than RAW, to be honest, or a much cheaper C100mkIII with the touch screen and touch AF and the basic codecs, and some kind of slow mo, that would be my workhorse for the next decade. Canon C100mkII is one of my favorite cameras ever made, I did so many things with it, but it is getting old.

@Mattias Burling I was kiddin'. Newer generations can't stand anything without IBIS and millions of ISO capabilities!