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I think their popularity is simply due to currently being the most active camera systems in terms of bodies and lenses.. both in hybrid and cine lines. Sony has also become an industry standard in a lot of pro video sectors, I know that's why I joined their ecosystem not necessarily because I was a fan of their cameras although I can't complain about the FS7, its been real money maker despite its age. The FX30 is basically a mini FS7 so yeah it's an interesting release at an affordable price point.

.. it is really a small camera when stripped. maybe not Komodo small but considering its got NDs, EVF, Display, Fan.. weights about the same as a Z9, R3, S1H etc..

joking aside there is a strong tendency here from Lumix users to talk up their cameras in every single product thread. I don't mind camera comparisons but if you're eyeing an FX30, chances are you're probably interested in AF, APS-C/S35 format & the Sony ecosystem. Let's at least compare what is comparable.. just saying.

I love the C100. Still a very capable camera. I only sold it because I can't deliver FHD anymore, even 4K downsampled. The 8-bit is also a challenge and now that I'm more into grading I don't think I could go back to 8-bit. But the SOOC IQ still holds up even though it has Canons older CS which may look more dated than the more neutral CS of recent generations. For me personally, C300 mk2 would be the only older model I'd be able to do pro work with but if you're a hobbyist and looking for one of the best FHD cams, the C100mk2 or C300 would probably be near the top of that list. By the way, C100 isn't large at all, C300 has that awkward tall form factor though.

This guy has no evf lag issue for BIF but says if the battery is under 50%, or you're adapting older lenses etc the EVF can act funky: https://youtu.be/0cQHLTbIso0 This other guy in the comments shows clear lag and frame drops when the shutter is pressed: I'm in the camp that there is a lot of lag. I'm having troubles tracking sporting, specifically kiteboarding, which is a lot like birds in flight. I've posted my video test of the what the viewfinder sees ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtFbWS1vkIc -not the best test but it sure seems to show something different from your video) and it's almost as if you have a different camera than I do. I've shot for years on a 5D mkIV, a 7d Mk1, a 7d MkII and never had so much trouble trying to track a kiteboarder. I often loose the person out off the frame with the R5, where I rarely did before. Ron, Kudos to you for being able to do it.

Your issue prompted me to investigate on my end so I popped on my Speedlite flash last night on the R6 having my nephew around and tried to catch random split second movements and to my surprise I found it was pretty easy to nail shots. I also couldn't notice any significant lag from the EVF when set to smooth. So I don't know if its a user case thing, if R5 and its 45MP somehow increases the lag, if you got a lemon or wether ballerinas are just much harder to shoot than an 8 year-old (I'd assume so!) but for my expectations the R6 works just fine even for flash photography. Since you've also got an R7 have you noticed any difference concerning EVF lag with your R5?

Actually I had asked you about R5 vs R6ii, never mentioned the R7. Personally I'd pick an R6ii over an R7 every time but the R7 is a lot cheaper and could also be a nice APS-C side kick to an R6ii if you shoot several bodies. Nice write-up by the way!

For me personally Fuji screwed up by putting the XH2 40mp sensor inside XT5's reduced body size. This creates overheating, extra crop factors and line skipping issues. ProRes was also removed, for cripple hammer segmenting reasons with XH series. Would have much preferred XH2S stacked sensor with lower MP and no 6K/8K options but faster read-out speed. Maybe an XT5S option would have been ideal but again maybe the smaller body size might be the real bottleneck when it comes to heat management. I'm sad because XT5 used to be Fuji's all-rounder (well since XT2) but it is now a high MP stills oriented camera with newfound video limitations. You simply have to step up to XH series for proper hybrid Fuji when I much prefer the top dials, form factor and tilt screen of the XT series.

Yes and no imo. XT5 has a 1.22x crop for all its extra resolution and oversampled modes. Uses pixel-binning in several modes. It has superior RS. No ProRes. No 4K120p. And there is overheating limitations due to the smaller body. XH2S with its stacked sensor is an actual XT3/XT4/XT5 on steroids with super fast read-out allowing low RS at 14-bit, faster AF, 40fps with no blackout, 4K120p, 6.2K Open Gate, ProRes... But more importantly concerning OPs EVF top issue, XH2S offers a much more comfortable: 5.76M dot OLED viewfinder with 0.8x magnification and up to 120fps refresh

I think it brings you closer to the OVF viewing experience but its unclear if it eliminates EVF lag. For that I think you really need a stacked sensor (or faster processor) which improves refresh rates but who knows it may still be improved from R5. Kind of a shame there is no data on this issue. As for battery drain, I think I read it didn't drain any more but again no hard evidence. I guess this is where your 5D IV still holds a valuable purpose? I can really see how in run & gun flash photography EVF lag would be a serious handicap.

As recently discussed with you in a parallel thread, increasing MPix will inevitably decrease RS and overall read out among other things. That is why R3 has much better RS in video than Z9 or A1. Or can do 195fps max burst rate at full resolution in FF vs 120fps in 11MP crop mode for Z9. It's always a give & take. And depending on the user that will tilt balance in either direction. Again I think Fuji did the smart thing with XH2/XH2S giving the user the option of super fast readout or high resolution 45MP/8K. Finally I think the R3 sits just fine against the A1/Z9 and given the choice I'd pick it over the other two. But that's because I value read-out speed in both photo/video over super high resolution. In the end I'm not a sports/action shooter though so no real need to invest in such cameras. I just wished there was a fast stacked sensor in a non flagship action/sports oriented body. XH2S fits the bill but I'm not sure I wanna head back to Fuji system for other reasons.

Well yeah you'd assume sensor & processing go hand in hand, but if you look at XH2/XH2S, here are two cameras with identical processing but different sensors, one stacked the other not. XH2S's stacked sensor allows fast read out that enables super low RS but also 14-bit processing. It does give up 8K in favour of 6.2K and is a bit more noisy. Stacked sensors are also more expensive to produce so that does add a bit to the cost. To me that's an acceptable trade-off. But I think that most manufacturers feel that a cheaper camera with 8K/45MP will be much more of a sell factor than more expensive faster read out 6.2K/26MP camera. Fuji were smart enough to give us both options but at Sony/Canon/Nikon, they seem to reserve the speedy stacked sensors for their expensive flagship sports/action cams. That probably won't change any time soon, so just wishful thinking on my part but I'd like to see a fast "XH2S" type hybrid from the other big players that isn't a high megapixel sports camera. like an FX30S, R6S, Z6S..

For stills Nikon claims the Z9 "achieves the world’s most minimal rolling-shutter distortion". Pretty essential considering they removed the mechanical shutter. Same for A1 so yes stacked sensor absolutely provides better RS. In video though Z9 does drop to 14,5ms but yeah it can't have its high pixel amount and have it both ways. R3 sees the benefits much better spread across both modes indeed. You just can't deny stacked sensor helps RS. Fast read-out speed is its whole purpose.

Actually R6 is the best selling R series model. That category and price point is where sales max out just like A7III/IV is the best selling FF Alpha. That is also why Canon quickly released a R6 MK2 to counter A7IV sales. So no, that's not a valid excuse.. R5C however could explain it as it fixes overheating & adds cine os (its already a sort of R5 mk2). As for OVF/EVF well if you're using ES then of course blackout disapears and you might have more keepers but that doesn't eliminate EVF lag, adds RS artefacts and you lose 14-bit IQ. That probably doesn't matter as much to you then nailing the shot given your type of extreme action work (impressive shots btw). R3 would be better for the EVF but also 50% more fps (30fps vs 20fps) in full 14-bit RAW and lower RS. But I understand 45mp may ultimately trump those specs/IQ if you crop a lot. Lastly, I've found more info about the R6 mk2 OLED EVF and its OVF simulation mode and it looks like it is directly lifted off the R3 so another huge bonus win for the R6ii: The R3 goes beyond the EVF of the R5, though, utilizing an all-new, Canon-designed OLED panel in this EVF. The EVF includes a setting called "OVF Simulation" that is said to mimic the natural viewing experience of the 1D X's optical viewfinder thanks to the EVF display's high brightness performance and Canon's HDR image processing technology. By default, OVF Simulation is turned off, which means you can see a live preview of the exposure and image-processing picture profile settings as you shoot -- just like with most mirrorless cameras (arguably one of the qualities I enjoy from an EVF over an optical viewfinder). However, for those that prefer the look at the behavior of an optical viewfinder, the OVF Simulation works quite well. But, the OVF Simulation goes beyond just making things look like an optical viewfinder and turning off the exposure preview simulation, for example. The OLED panel can get incredibly bright, and with Canon's HDR technology, you essentially have a natural-looking, HDR-based view when the OVF Simulation mode is enabled. You can see more highlight and shadow detail than in the standard EVF mode, as well as get a very bright and crisp view of your scene.

Never meant to single out the FX30. Really all I'm saying is I'd like mirrorless manufacturers in general to focus bit more on RS. We've got 10-bit log, we've got RAW, ProRes, 4K120/6K/8K etc. But read-out times are still average to poor on most of these prosumer cameras. I understand stacked sensor tech is still fairly new and expensive, I just can't wait to see it in every hybrid. XH2S is the only affordable large sensor camera that seems to sport one at the moment.

Yeah looking it up on forums it seems the R5 EVF lag is worst on some cameras (one guy who has two even claims they perform differently). I find that hard to believe but it is starting to sound like maybe there are quite a few lemons out there with the freeze issues etc. I feel like maybe Canon crammed way too much inside the R5 and its basically taking firmware after firmware to fix issues if there aren't hardware related problems as well. Maybe why there are so many second hand R5s on the market versus any other R model. I've always been kinda weary of the R5 since the start which is why I never felt comfortable investing so much money in one and even though you can get one used for under $3K now which is tempting, I'm starting to feel it may be more prudent to simply skip that first gen series. R5C, R6ii, R7 are probably all wiser choices at this point, and of course an R5ii is probably going to hit sooner than later to compete with the A7RV. Getting back to EVF vs OVF again it seems stacked sensors really minimise lag while improving AF performance but there are still some improvements to reach true OVF experience. I thought it was interesting R6ii has this new "OVF simulation" mode that is supposed to enhance DR or something, maybe its just a gimmick or a step in the right direction.

Ok I totally get your perspective. I had a very difficult time at first transitioning from my trusty 5D3 to EOS R. Everything felt weird, sluggish, wrong. But I did end up adapting to a point where going back to DSLR feels super archaic, even though I still find nothing beats AF speed acquisition on crosspoints using EF glass. EVF lag is a real thing and demands even further adaptation although it sounds like you are limited by your flash recycle time not necessarily the cameras fault? As for the R5 freezing etc it kinda sounds like you got a lemon. I dunno since I've got an R6 and never experienced any type of freeze or shutter issue. Did they really cram too much into R5 to the point where it bugs out? If so, maybe the R5C is better at handling things with a totally separate OS that reboots in stills/video modes..? It sounds frustrating but truth is other brands aren't immune to any of this either. I left Nikon after my D750 took months to repair because of a faulty part requiring a massive recall that took ages to arrive from China to Nikon EU service centre in Netherlands. Horrible customer service too compared to Canon who are based right outside of Paris. These are the type of things that make us pros stick or leave a brand. I've had several Sony Alphas ruined straight to the garbage dump due to their horrible weather sealing (just only recently improved). But getting back to Canon, I originally joined them because of their reputation and hardware reliability. Was the only Japanese company with still Made in Japan products too (well there was Fuji too but that changed). But yeah I agree that the Canon R series and RF lenses don't have at all that same premium feel of the DSLRs/EF lenses. Maybe R3, I haven't tested it yet. But that's a $6K camera.

IQ, IBIS, Bitrate, lenses have nothing to do with camera body ergonomics, reliability or performance. @herein2020 Your main gripes with R5 seem to be overheating, freezing & EVF delay. The first two can be overcome by updating to your latest firmware. You should really do this ASAP if you're using the camera professionally. The EVF delay is a slightly more complicated subject. Are you experiencing blackout frames, insert frames and/or dropped frames? What burst mode are you shooting in? Electronic or mechanical shutter? Have tried HS/HS+ modes? High display mode should eliminate most issues and give you a smooth 120fps EVF. But lag is kind of inevitable, even the A1 has some. Its a little disorienting when you're used to an OVF (which by the way also has blackout when the mirror lifts but your eye doesn't see it as a lag, more like an eye blink). What is important is that the AF system engages at all times during burst and that's not always the case during black out time. This is where stacked sensors really improve performance and why all the sport/action MILCs (R3,A1,Z9) now use one. It pretty much than beats DSLRs in performance. For really advanced hybrid photographers, stacked sensor mirrorless is definitely the way to go.

..those all do when compared to aforementioned Alexa/Venice2.. FX3 is 8.7ms XH2S is 11.5ms (at 14-bit readout)

Bro, I've been shooting photography since film days and Canon since 5D mk1.. which I still own and enjoy shooting with. You're preaching to the choir here. That said, I'mo not into romanticizing cameras, in the end they are tools. I fully respect your enticement towards the 5DIV and DSLRs generally speaking, but not upgrading your R5 to 1.6 and putting it down for video is.. bizarre. What EVF delay is there for video needs? 5DIV shoots video with a massive crop and horrible MJPEG codec. Its a terrible hybrid. Just trying to help you overcome the initial R5 cons for video. Its now a powerful hybrid..

Cool, I stand corrected.. point still remains as Sonys latest cine cam, FX30, sits at +20ms. Let’s get those stacked sensors out on every cam.

Alexa is the gold standard for non global shutter performance.. it has something like 5ms. I'm talking hybrids with +20ms. Its becoming a concern especially when mechanical shutters are starting to disappear..

8k global shutter sounds pretty crazy. I really don't understand why RS is still an issue on so many cameras..

Yeah but say goodbye to IBIS, EVF, swivel screen, RF mount, DPAF2 etc.. One of the great benefits of RF mount is the variable-ND adapter when using EF glass. 1DX3 also has pretty bad rolling shutter. Great stills cam though.

well just like the original R6, it has better FF 4K60p IQ as it oversamples with no line skipping unlike R5 FF 4K60p. as already mentioned, R6ii has new stuff like the smart hotshoe for Tascam xlr audio, a very handy stills/video switch (R5 requires mode button steps), the latest AF system with deep learning and C70's detect only, false colour, aspect ratio markers & pre-record buffer. a 10x FHD zoom. Focus breathing compensation. A new OVF simulation for the EVF. And as you already know no 30mn time limit and no overheating at up to 4K30p. its basically a better all-rounder and substantially cheaper when buying new, especially here in EU. if you don't need 8K RAW, 4K120p or 45MP it makes much better sense. A step down from your 5DIV how? the only thing I can think of is the megapixel count (30 vs 20). DXO ranks the R6 above the 5DIV in terms of DR and ISO noise performance. R6 does use the flagship 1DX3 sensor.. As for the R5 overheating, it has been substantially mitigated with v1.6 : https://downloads.canon.com/EOSR5_recordtime_7-21.pdf With the high setting its basically a non-issue. So again a bit of a waste not to benefit from it for FF video. I also have battery grip, shoulder strap etc on my hybrids, that doesn't prevent me from shooting some quick handheld video bits during events thanks to IBIS. 4K120p would be even better handheld. But ok you have it dedicated to photo duties and a C70 + R7 for video. That's a nice setup.