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Never meant to single out the FX30. Really all I'm saying is I'd like mirrorless manufacturers in general to focus bit more on RS. We've got 10-bit log, we've got RAW, ProRes, 4K120/6K/8K etc. But read-out times are still average to poor on most of these prosumer cameras. I understand stacked sensor tech is still fairly new and expensive, I just can't wait to see it in every hybrid. XH2S is the only affordable large sensor camera that seems to sport one at the moment.

Yeah looking it up on forums it seems the R5 EVF lag is worst on some cameras (one guy who has two even claims they perform differently). I find that hard to believe but it is starting to sound like maybe there are quite a few lemons out there with the freeze issues etc. I feel like maybe Canon crammed way too much inside the R5 and its basically taking firmware after firmware to fix issues if there aren't hardware related problems as well. Maybe why there are so many second hand R5s on the market versus any other R model. I've always been kinda weary of the R5 since the start which is why I never felt comfortable investing so much money in one and even though you can get one used for under $3K now which is tempting, I'm starting to feel it may be more prudent to simply skip that first gen series. R5C, R6ii, R7 are probably all wiser choices at this point, and of course an R5ii is probably going to hit sooner than later to compete with the A7RV. Getting back to EVF vs OVF again it seems stacked sensors really minimise lag while improving AF performance but there are still some improvements to reach true OVF experience. I thought it was interesting R6ii has this new "OVF simulation" mode that is supposed to enhance DR or something, maybe its just a gimmick or a step in the right direction.

Ok I totally get your perspective. I had a very difficult time at first transitioning from my trusty 5D3 to EOS R. Everything felt weird, sluggish, wrong. But I did end up adapting to a point where going back to DSLR feels super archaic, even though I still find nothing beats AF speed acquisition on crosspoints using EF glass. EVF lag is a real thing and demands even further adaptation although it sounds like you are limited by your flash recycle time not necessarily the cameras fault? As for the R5 freezing etc it kinda sounds like you got a lemon. I dunno since I've got an R6 and never experienced any type of freeze or shutter issue. Did they really cram too much into R5 to the point where it bugs out? If so, maybe the R5C is better at handling things with a totally separate OS that reboots in stills/video modes..? It sounds frustrating but truth is other brands aren't immune to any of this either. I left Nikon after my D750 took months to repair because of a faulty part requiring a massive recall that took ages to arrive from China to Nikon EU service centre in Netherlands. Horrible customer service too compared to Canon who are based right outside of Paris. These are the type of things that make us pros stick or leave a brand. I've had several Sony Alphas ruined straight to the garbage dump due to their horrible weather sealing (just only recently improved). But getting back to Canon, I originally joined them because of their reputation and hardware reliability. Was the only Japanese company with still Made in Japan products too (well there was Fuji too but that changed). But yeah I agree that the Canon R series and RF lenses don't have at all that same premium feel of the DSLRs/EF lenses. Maybe R3, I haven't tested it yet. But that's a $6K camera.

IQ, IBIS, Bitrate, lenses have nothing to do with camera body ergonomics, reliability or performance. @herein2020 Your main gripes with R5 seem to be overheating, freezing & EVF delay. The first two can be overcome by updating to your latest firmware. You should really do this ASAP if you're using the camera professionally. The EVF delay is a slightly more complicated subject. Are you experiencing blackout frames, insert frames and/or dropped frames? What burst mode are you shooting in? Electronic or mechanical shutter? Have tried HS/HS+ modes? High display mode should eliminate most issues and give you a smooth 120fps EVF. But lag is kind of inevitable, even the A1 has some. Its a little disorienting when you're used to an OVF (which by the way also has blackout when the mirror lifts but your eye doesn't see it as a lag, more like an eye blink). What is important is that the AF system engages at all times during burst and that's not always the case during black out time. This is where stacked sensors really improve performance and why all the sport/action MILCs (R3,A1,Z9) now use one. It pretty much than beats DSLRs in performance. For really advanced hybrid photographers, stacked sensor mirrorless is definitely the way to go.

..those all do when compared to aforementioned Alexa/Venice2.. FX3 is 8.7ms XH2S is 11.5ms (at 14-bit readout)

Bro, I've been shooting photography since film days and Canon since 5D mk1.. which I still own and enjoy shooting with. You're preaching to the choir here. That said, I'mo not into romanticizing cameras, in the end they are tools. I fully respect your enticement towards the 5DIV and DSLRs generally speaking, but not upgrading your R5 to 1.6 and putting it down for video is.. bizarre. What EVF delay is there for video needs? 5DIV shoots video with a massive crop and horrible MJPEG codec. Its a terrible hybrid. Just trying to help you overcome the initial R5 cons for video. Its now a powerful hybrid..

Cool, I stand corrected.. point still remains as Sonys latest cine cam, FX30, sits at +20ms. Let’s get those stacked sensors out on every cam.

Alexa is the gold standard for non global shutter performance.. it has something like 5ms. I'm talking hybrids with +20ms. Its becoming a concern especially when mechanical shutters are starting to disappear..

8k global shutter sounds pretty crazy. I really don't understand why RS is still an issue on so many cameras..

Yeah but say goodbye to IBIS, EVF, swivel screen, RF mount, DPAF2 etc.. One of the great benefits of RF mount is the variable-ND adapter when using EF glass. 1DX3 also has pretty bad rolling shutter. Great stills cam though.

well just like the original R6, it has better FF 4K60p IQ as it oversamples with no line skipping unlike R5 FF 4K60p. as already mentioned, R6ii has new stuff like the smart hotshoe for Tascam xlr audio, a very handy stills/video switch (R5 requires mode button steps), the latest AF system with deep learning and C70's detect only, false colour, aspect ratio markers & pre-record buffer. a 10x FHD zoom. Focus breathing compensation. A new OVF simulation for the EVF. And as you already know no 30mn time limit and no overheating at up to 4K30p. its basically a better all-rounder and substantially cheaper when buying new, especially here in EU. if you don't need 8K RAW, 4K120p or 45MP it makes much better sense. A step down from your 5DIV how? the only thing I can think of is the megapixel count (30 vs 20). DXO ranks the R6 above the 5DIV in terms of DR and ISO noise performance. R6 does use the flagship 1DX3 sensor.. As for the R5 overheating, it has been substantially mitigated with v1.6 : https://downloads.canon.com/EOSR5_recordtime_7-21.pdf With the high setting its basically a non-issue. So again a bit of a waste not to benefit from it for FF video. I also have battery grip, shoulder strap etc on my hybrids, that doesn't prevent me from shooting some quick handheld video bits during events thanks to IBIS. 4K120p would be even better handheld. But ok you have it dedicated to photo duties and a C70 + R7 for video. That's a nice setup.

Interesting, although having an R5 only for stills work sounds to me like a bit of a waste considering its hefty price tag. Unless you absolutely need 45MP? Video features only the R5 has: 4K120p no crop, ALL-I, 8K, RAW, 4K DCI. Not bad but not necessarily worth the $1200 premium (or whopping extra 1700€ here in EU) over an R6ii that just like A7IV has lower specs than an A7S3 but many lowkey refinements that the bigger model lacks. It's really a move Canon stole from the Sony playbook when you think of it!

RF lenses are pretty light and compact but the L series F2.8 zooms are pricey. Optically excellent. The non L RF primes are super compact, affordable and punch way above their price point with IS and macro. EF lenses opens up affordable Canon legacy L series lenses and all third party lenses but yeah bigger and heavier for the most part.

Yes in this French review at around 14 minutes:

Gotcha I guess my next question would be what would you choose in between an R5 & R6ii? I heard the 8K RAW is just huge file size wise so not sure I'd ever use it in a practical sense.

Fair points. Is the C70 build quality really that bad? I mean besides the shaky display mount ? I still feel it is a beast of an entry-level cine cam with better DR and overall IQ than the R mirrorless line. FX3/FX30 don't even have WFM or shutter angle and they are part of the FX cine line. At least R5C has those..

Mid-November so very soon! I must admit I'm also debating in between R6ii and used R5 with firmware fix. I'm leaning towards the R6ii for the reason you mentioned but also false colour, C70's detect only AF, breathing comp, the new easy video menu, stills/video switch etc.

My room is a 10 meter screen (400 inches?) so not huge at all compared to IMAX. The aim isn't really immersion but rather the resolution and infinite contrast. Most IMAX theatres use linked 2K projectors for slightly above 2K perception. I'm usually on the fourth row 🍿 ICE is another fun concept they've got here :

I hear you. I'm currently in the process of selling my R6 which surprisingly has held its value pretty well and even more surprisingly very few are on the second hand market compared to R5's ! I guess that's about to change with the mark 2 which is why I'm hoping for a speedy transaction before word gets out to the masses.. so in all the upgrade cost should be fairly minor.

Like I explained above, since EOS R you can use parts of the LCD as track pads (similar to a laptop). so you can have the bottom right or bottom left (works for me as a lefty) of the LCD tracking the AF point with your thumb while still having a firm grip with both hands AND your eye on the EVF. As for stabilisation, well that's another main area where AF comes in handy.. I'm talking about gimbal work of course.

Well I do live in the city who invented cinema theatres and my multiplex is the most advanced in the country so I guess I have it pretty good (unlimited membership too but unfortunately very little time to actually go as often as I wished). The Onyx 4K OLED room is pretty nice I must admit. Haven't seen that many films there (again I don't really feel like paying premium unless its a Star Wars, Batman, Nolan or something really epic) but yeah you can definitely tell its next level.

Well yeah I'm happy they fixed the overheating and added some neat things like false colour (wasn't expecting that one at all) and the aforementioned stills/video switch, focus compensation etc. New sensor with a half-stop better DR and much lower RS. Similar if not identical price point depending on your location. What's they're not to be happy about? So yeah I'll give them my "hard earned" although not that hard since I've made good money with Canon through these years and the cameras have paid for themselves tenfold. Always worked around shortcomings of which honestly at this point I see very few within this category. I do feel like Canon can't win on these boards. If they don't fix stuff like overheat they get slammed, they fix it and add things, people complain they weren't added in previous models. I guess Sony users have similar complaints (i.e the Philip Bloom FX30 review/rant video).

I honestly don't think that is the case. We won't know until a full teardown but its quite possible they've sorted heat management internally. R6 isn't at all the same build as R5 that is larger and full magnesium so heat management just isn't handled the same. I think they figured out how to eliminate overheat on a hardware level and hence rushed this mark2 out (Canon cycle is usually 4 years instead of 2). Let's not forget A7IV overheats as well and it doesn't even do 4K60p no crop. I also think Canon were pretty reasonable in not boosting the price for the Asian/American market. For some reason we always get screwed here in the EU so yea there is a 300€ increase, sucks but I will gladly pay that for peace of mind when it comes to overheat plus all the other bells & whistles (still/video switch with individual settings including the 3 custom modes is the second biggest pro after heat management for me).

I dunno every cinema room is different. different screen sizes, resolutions, seating arrangements. Since COVID here all seating is booked online (although I've been doing that for years prior) so I always manage to get seats exactly where I feel most comfortable and ideal so viewing angle or distance is never a problem. YMMV.

I know you're not going to want to hear this but perhaps the problem is that your cameras AF system is sub-par and/or that you haven't mastered it. Like I was saying earlier, even the best AF isn't magic. It should never be in full auto-pilot. AF is a tool that needs to be controlled by the operator. I never let the camera AF choose who it focuses on, I am always in control. Again you should always be in charge of who or what the AF focuses on, not the camera. Canon's DPAF allows you to select what subject Eye-AF focuses on so having multiple people in a frame is not a problem. This is not the case with FUJI's human AF detection hence why I've been saying it is flawed. I haven't yet used R3 so can't comment on the Eye-control AF but from what I've heard it isn't fail proof either. The best method of choosing what subject the AF focuses on is still either the joystick (or touch sensor thing on R3) or my favourite since EOS R is using the back LCD as a giant touch pad while your eye is on the EVF. You can even select the region of the LCD if like me you are left-handed. You get a red marker in the EVF (like a mouse cursor) that you target at your subject and the AF then engages. It is the fastest AF select method I've found, much better and faster then the old sluggish AF point manoeuvres with the joystick. There are also a ton of other specific AF settings and techniques that I won't go into but it gets pretty deep and its all about "getting the shot". I'm not bad with MF but once you've mastered a solid AF system its usually way superior to MF for getting shots except for controlled rack focus and even there things are getting crazy good with breathing comp and such. Try it before you knock it is all I'm saying. CaNikon & Sony AF have gone long ways in video AF and it doesn't sound like you have experience with such systems to make the argument that MF is superior.