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I actually love the FS7 ergos - VF loupe aside which I never use. Again its one of the rare modern budget cine cams you can shoulder mount ENG style. IQ wise, the BM has higher resolution and shoots Raw but on the highest DCI 4K XAVC-I Cine EI setting the FS7 is still capable of spitting out a really nice detailed filmic IQ imo with tons of headroom for grading. Also yeah the 3200 dual ISO setting on the BM is a bit meh, you definitely need to stick to 400 to get the highest IQ/DR. For the price new, the BM is definitely a no brainer but again the FS7 is still a workhorse in 2021 and E-mount is just so much more versatile than EF at this point imo.

Then again FS7 maybe not so obsolete when you consider this chart: surprisingly not a black magic cam in sight! here is the full article: https://ymcinema.com/2021/07/12/cannes-film-festival-2021s-cameras-diversity-is-the-key/ not just docus either.. this feature was shot on FS7 with Zeiss Super Speed primes: Gotta love how that camera balances for shoulder mounted shots..

I sold my C200/FS7 during down time of the pandemic. Work is picking up again now and I need a pro A-Cam for client work. I was sold on getting a BMPCC6K Pro after shooting with it for couple gigs but I'm actually hesitating to go back to the good old FS7. 6K & RAW is very nice but EF mount limits the lens possibilities so much. I still have my metabones EF speed booster which gives the FS7 pseudo FF. I also love the fat 250mbps XAVC-I codec in Cine EI mode and the FS7's AF is actually pretty smooth on native lenses. Price wise the FS7s are really cheap at the moment (maybe 800 more than a P6K Pro) but it feels kinda strange buying a used 2015 cine cam in 2021. The 5" touch screen and double ISO 6K sensor on the 6K Pro probably makes much better sense for future-proofing. Thoughts?

excellent, also looks like more natural skin tones with less saturated look than clog1:

Pretty excited about CLOG3 for R6. I'm away from home right now though. Did R5 users note an increase in DR with the Clog3 update (vs Clog)?

There is definitely something strange going on with Canons R5/R6 10-bit 4:2:2 Clog files. None of my Macs can even play them. At all. Including my iMac Pro. I have to transcode it all to ProRes with EditReady. It's definitely a giant PITA. Why is this so? is it because 10-bit 4:2:2 h265?? Do the new M1 Macs handle these files better? Might have to go to Apple store with a thumb drive and see for myself.

As an R6 user that upgraded from an EOS R, yes there are some strange missing things that make the upgrade kinda feel like a downgrade in some areas. But in the end, for my needs, its a very clear upgrade: oversampled 4K with no crop, IBIS, internal 10-bit 4:2:2, 120 fps FHD. If you add DPAF to the mix, well there really isn't much competition for those particular features at that price point. Of course if you can stretch your budget to an A7S3 you get a more reliable camera and 4K120p but on the stills side you're down to 12MP. Not that the R6 is a MP beast but 20MP is a decent balance. Biggest problem in the end with R6 is the overheating which limits it to only certain types of applications. I do use mine professionally as my C-cam for short product shots, BTS footage etc.. and as a stills camera (all my Canon DSLR flash accessories etc integrate perfectly). It's always a bit of a compromise though with Canon it feels. Sometimes I do regret not fully switching systems but I just don't gel with Sony mirrorless ergonomics and CS. Love the FX/FS cine line though. My next purchase will probably be BM 6K Pro, I'm kind of done with consumer hybrids as A-cams after shooting with one.

I've been doing some commercial shoots with the BM 6K's lately and the 6K PRO will probably be my next camera purchase. For the money it is kind of a no-brainer: 6K BRAW / ProRes, Dual ISO Super35 sensor, 5" bright LCD, best GUI, SD/CFAST/SSD storage options & internal NDs. That said, I do agree the biggest drawback is EF mount. While there are a large amount of EF cine lenses, they're on the bigger side and a lot of the more recent compact cine lenses including anamorphic lenses such as the SIRUI series are mirrorless mount exclusives. One of the big attractions of the 6K/6K Pro is 6K 2.4:1 ratio recording but I can't seem to find any affordable anamorphic EF lenses? But for client work, 6K RAW is really impressive and the cropping capability kind of a game changer as far as I'm concerned. Many of us had hoped the R5 would give you that in a hybrid but my experience with R6 is that its simply too unreliable to use on a commercial shoot. The Canons are good for b-cams / BTS purposes. As for ProRes vs H264/H265, while on many recent computers the processing difference may not be too obvious with 4K, I can assure you that with 6K its night & day as far as rendering, editing, playback. My iMac Pro struggles a bit with h264/h265 6K footage while ProRes cuts like cheese and renders 20x faster.

Yeah no 4K option. Only FHD doesn't overheat. Indoors. Average room temperature. I mean it's nothing new, overheating is well documented and I believe R6 actually has longer 4K recording time than R5's 4KHQ. Still obviously a concern for long applications. Can't find the video, you got a link? Only dedicated fan I remember and would consider was the Tilta cooling kit: But it looks like they abandoned the project..

Well I had my first overheat yesterday during an interview. I thought it was going to be a 15-30mn max job but it ended up dragging on over an hour. Overheat came on just at the end so I was saved but cool down time was about 30mn. I don't think I can recommend this camera for that type of application.

Yup, kind of disappointing they didn't think of making the 10-bit codec easier to edit. Would have been a safe way to make the R5/R6 more competitive with A7S3. Also let down with no Clog3 for R6/1DX3 owners even though it is rumoured to come later (i.e. another 6 months).

Is the new lower bitrate option in Clog h264 or 4:2:0 h265?

Probably price. The C70 will still be worthy for its DGO sensor which gives higher DR than R5. also internal NDs, XLRs, battery life, WFM etc..

Some exciting news for both R5 & R6 users! 🙂 New 4K codec could hopefully mean no more transcoding for 10-bit footage. R5C rumor is also interesting, looks like Canon's answer to FX3. And a worthy successor to 1DC (minus the price tag I hope!).

No ALL-I on the R6 though 😞

Good question, I also usually just follow 180 degree rule blindly and shoot 50p at 1/100 with slow-mo in mind. Maybe 50p at 1/50 makes more sense for non slomo on a 25p timeline..? Yes 4K50p is the same 5.5K oversampled quality 4K. 4K crop mode is a slightly upsampled sub-4K region (3414 x 1920 pixels). You'd have to pixel peep to notice the difference. I guess its worth noting 4K60p crop mode on the R6 gets you the lowest RS: 10.2ms. Manual WB with Clog in Neutral seems pretty good, I haven't done extensive tungsten tests though.

AWB-White works in Clog. I'm just saying if you have to use kelvin or custom you may wanna help skin tones by going Neutral in Clog.

The yellow cast thing only becomes a problem in mixed lighting, if you're using AWB you simply need to hit info inside the settings and select white priority as warm is the default. In custom or kelvin, switch to Clog and select Neutral color matrix. You can also further adjust WB tint in the RGB matrix. Concerning 4K rolling shutter on R6 you can half the RS from 30ms to 15ms just by shooting in 4K60p (and convert to 24/25p in post) and down to 20ms in 4K crop mode.

@ntblowz Nice! Interesting to see the photographer was on a R6. Looks like although its a Canon sponsored event, you were using your own gear? Was the R5/C70 footage shot in standard, log or RAW?

I feel Sony & Nikon are both playing catch up towards Canon who leapfrogged the whole industry bringing 8K RAW/10-bit to the FF hybrid market with DPAF. The real question IMO is going to be who manages to bring a body that doesn't overheat? We already know the A1 overheats in 4K/8K XAVC-SI (I read reports ranging from 16mn to 30mn depending on frame rate, resolution & temperature). Will Nikons larger body allow better heat dissipation? 1DX3 seems to do so versus the smaller R5/R6 bodies. Nikon also need to up their video AF performance, allow internal log etc. Their lack of cine department really shows vs the competition. Always seems to be some crucial feature missing..

@plucas : I just tried that exact test and can confirm similar findings: EOS Original log matrix has the yellow cast while Neutral remains more faithful. Doesn't really matter what WB settings you are in.

I guess it depends what you're shooting. My experience with Canon's DPAF system is it can lose focus on very low contrast subjects in low-light conditions. Depending on the sensor YMMV. In less extreme conditions it remains imo the best, most natural & reliable AF system. It gets even better with (1DX3, R5, R6) DPAF2. 1DX3 does drop AF features in HFR modes where R5/R6 doesn't. C200/C300MK3/C70 have the handy Face-Only feature that doesn't refocus the background when subject leaves frame. Other neat Canon AF features are the various zone, point, face, track modes you can easily toggle via assignable button. DPAF isn't magical though and in use there are times when you'll want to disable it. Even just for a quick second or two during panning. I absolutely love that you can also assign any button to toggle on/off the AF. The DPAF assisted manual focus 'focus guide' feature is also pretty cool for accurate focus racking. That said latest gen Sony's (FX/A7S3) have come a long way it seems. I still see some micro-hunting in some of the footage and those weird breathing issues so I'm not quite sure its 100% reliable yet.

watched all three videos. the guy in the first one doesn't even mention what his problem with the af was, second video actually praises the face-only feature on the C70 vs 1DX3, third mentions the camera had trouble focusing darker skinned people in low light conditions but not in daylight. So yeah I guess you could conclude the C70's AF isn't stellar, it is still probably ahead most other cine cams. Sony cams have issues as well by the way:

Sure point me to some reviews. the Brandon Washington one I linked earlier is by a black dude, he does an AF test on another black dude and his conclusion is that C70 struggles in low-light VS FX6 that is FF. 1DX3/R5 are also FF and have DPAF2.

Lol, Please don't bring race into this.. even if you're joking, let's stay factual: according to tests Eye-AF on C70 is disabled on HFR, period. Under 60FPS, DPAF is proven superior to Sony AF (i.e. no pulsing).