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Well now that we know A7S3 will have thermal cutoffs, we need to focus on what we learned from the R5/R6 debacle. Meaning how long and under what temp condition does 4K60p/K120p reach overheat? What are the recovery times? Will 4K24p always be available? Will 10-bit 4K24p cause heating up? Regardless, it looks like 1DX3 & S1H are still the only FF hybrids with internal 10-bit that don't overheat.. disappointing. I still don't know what new camera to choose lol.

So A7S3 specs have leaked and plot twist: it will also overheat and has a thermal cutoff.. " One focus of the camera is video recording. Unlike Canon with the EOS R5, Sony does not use 8K for video, but continues to use 4K, which is said to achieve the best results so far with an alpha camera. The sensor’s 12 MP resolution enables a full-pixel readout without pixel binning and without crop up to 4K / 60p. In this setting, the recording limit should be one hour without overheating – the EOS R5 only manages 30 minutes at 4K / 60p. The video recording of the Alpha 7S III in 4K / 120p mode is limited to this length – by the way, a slight crop is used (1.1x).S " i.e. A7S3 FF no crop 4K60p is rated at 60mn & 4K120p = 30mn Better on paper than R5 but how will it play out in real world situations? hopefully we get an answer tomorrow with the hands-on.

The article is way too detailed and sheds a lot of new info not rumoured anywhere such as the new XAVC-SI & HS codecs, 16-bit ProRes RAW via HDMI 2.1, new AF system.. and thermal cutoff times. So what is there to gather? A7S3 WILL OVERHEAT. Just less than R5. 4K60p FF no crop = 1 hour 4K120p crop = 30mn Now let’s wait and see how that translates into real world use. Battle ain’t over IMO.

never heard of that codec. more details please.

Slim to none. Sony ain't Fuji.

Finally! Proxy settings too 👀

The absence of the Sony logo on the LCD threw me off as well but you’re right Nokishita is as reliable as it gets when it comes to leaks/rumors.. The design is definitely uninspired. The Sony exec claiming just a few weeks ago “ Everything is new” and “exceeding expectations” was clearly trolling. I would’ve really liked one new killer design feature like a E-ND or something. oh well, after the Canon fiasco, I guess anything 10-bit that doesn’t overheat is game on.

That’s what I’m saying, RS appears pretty darn good. Btw, those leaked “official” pics appears to be fake.

You don't necessarily need ARRI/RED to achieve those objectives. Any camera that shoots RAW, ProRes, 10-bit 4:2:2 ALL-I Log should easily get you there. FWIW Netflix capture requirements: Capture Format RAW (X-OCN, REDCODE, Arriraw etc.) COMPRESSED (XAVC, AVC-Intra, ProRes, or other I-Frame capable formats) Minimum of 16-bit Linear or 10-bit Log processing Minimum data-rate of Bitrate of 240 Mbps at 23.98 fps

^ Yeah with the current situation I would never use an R5 on such a project. Again total deal breaker.

So basically you're saying it's ok for Panasonic users to bash Canon in this thread, however you're not ok with actual Canon users being disappointed by these recent developments and hope for a fix? That to me is ludicrous. You're also completely twisting my words, letting your own bias cloud your judgement. Total fanboy reaction. I'm the first to admit that the latest findings by Gerald Undone is a total deal breaker for me, and I'm sure many others. I was sort of ok with the initial Canon R5 overheat chart, however absolutely NOT with the camera locking 8K/HQ modes after 1 hour of stills or just regular standby. All I'm saying is that IF this carries through to production units OR Canon somehow doesn't fix that behaviour, there is going to be a massive uproar. I will be the first not to support this camera. Mark my words. I'm also well aware of the A7S3 release tomorrow, and as I'm also a Sony/FS7 owner and will be closely monitoring what that camera offers and it's potential caveats (which I hope don't include any overheating).

Absolutely agree with you!

^ Let’s not get all paranoid, it’s the right way up when it’s folded back into its under EVF position..

Chelsea was probably hungover and forgot to charge the battery overnight. Sorry but T&C just aren’t the most rigorous testers out there..

Taking stills and shooting in pixel-binned 4K shouldn’t brick the camera. However it apparently does heat it up enough that the 8K/HQ modes can’t operate after some point. This behavior seems odd and perhaps a pre-production issue. Which is why I suggested there is perhaps a slim chance Canon fixes that particular issue in firmware. Not trying to defend Canon, if they aren’t able to fix that then it’s going to be a deal breaker for many, including myself.

I highly doubt Sony is looking over his shoulder. The guy has been traced back to being the one who blew his NDA by carelessly leaking the camera body image.. besides no “workflow change” can improve things like rolling shutter in the driving scenes or during his brutal whip pans..

I have to admit I’m pretty gutted by that. As a long time Canon shooter I was really hoping R5 was going to be the one. But in no way can I trust a camera that will not even shoot a second of over sampled 4K video after an hour of shooting stills. That’s just utterly ridiculous. Hopefully Canon can fix that in firmware because I think that’s going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people!

Good catch, I think you’re right.. looking at a similar vlog he did a month ago with an A73, the footage is night & day: skin tones are awful, motion cadence is terrible, grading breaks up, rolling shutter is visible and at 5:30 the highlights are all blown. whereas on his latest car review, IQ looks amazing with much better DR, skin tones and almost no RS. If so, A7S3 is shaping up to be a major upgrade in Sony IQ. Pretty excited for tomorrow’s announcement!

^ those already exist: EOS R/RP.

I think Sony may win this round. They played it ‘safe’ with no 6K/8K or even oversampling. Just solid 10-bit 4K with hopefully no time record limit. The lowlight, DR & fast readout should give top results. They’re AF is getting better on each generation. Its almost as if the Sony exec bluffed Canon with its “exceeding expectations” remark forcing Canon into an overkill/overheating trap..House of cards style of the imaging game!

No FF mirrorless has ever packed so much heat though. (pun intended)

Agreed that is the nail in the coffin for me too.

That isn't going to happen though. Maybe on the R5 II in 4 years. Some will argue the overheating was purposely overlooked by Canon as to not hurt the Cxxx sales. Either way, external cooling seems to be best bet, Canon themselves recommend it (as ludicrous as it may sound).

Whaaaat? now that is pretty scary 😱 It's honestly looking more & more grim. I really want an R5 but the A7S3 is calling my name if it proves to be a more reliable tool with not too many caveats. Canon need to partner up with Tilta and include that cooling system in the box or else there is going to be a lot of angry campers out there!

I actually like what they did here, and if their claims are true it could be a decent workaround. I do wonder about how the USB power works though, is it as simple as plugging it into the bodies USB-C port or do you need an external power bank?