Django

Optical performance of the new lenses should be fine, especially with the video optimizations. Focus by wire however not a fan of.. and the 3 lenses aren't that exciting, especially compared to Canon's offering.

That would be a mistake imo, going against Canon's excellent AF integration of their own lenses. EVA1 can't even do continuous AF and hunts just to get basic one touch center-only AF. It's ok cuz it's a cine cam and most will use cine glass and/or follow focus system but on a compact hybrid that would be a disaster imo.

Because GH5/GH5S/BMP4K are dealing with a small M43 sensor. It's much easier to manage heat dissipation & processing speed than on FF. The fact remains Nikon's Z6/7 10-bit via HDMI are the first & only FF compact cameras currently allowing you that. Also 30MP isn't meh, it's a really good balance in between file size, resolution & ISO performance.

I'm still super skeptical over this. Panny ain't going to put a much better sensor in this than their EVA1/Varicams cmon. If they do, we're talking a super expensive cine cam. But why would they release a high-end cine cam at Photokina? Also starting a new mount & lenses from scratch?! Have they even ever made FF lenses? Their AF has always been pretty crap.. It just doesn't add up to me, especially entering the market at this particular point against Canikon & Sony. Sounds really risky to me, it's a bold move i'll give em that!

It's funny how polarizing opinions are on this camera depending on if you're on the stills or video side. I'm seeing a lot of GAME OVER NIKON/SONY comments on photog sites. Indeed the lens line-up, -6EV & 5.6K AF points has got Canon photo fanboys wetting their pants, understandably so tbh. The casual video amateur also thinks 4K, DPAF & Flip-screen means an automatic win. Like most of you I'm pretty underwhelmed by the video specs (or lack thereof) but will reserve final judgement for official full release info. I'm really rooting for Canon to get it right even though i know I'm probably going to be disapointed. Again the lens line-up, DPAF & Canon skintones are super strong selling points imo. If there isn't a 4k crop & they include C-Log 10-bit out via HDMI that could make it a go for me.

Nothing wrong with S35 but the latest gen FF bodies from Sony, Nikon & Canon all offer a S35 mode so they're really more versatile imo. Also there is a 1.7x crop in 4K on Fujis so it isn't really S35 and 1080p has moire/aliasing issues. I'm really hoping XT3 sorts that.

Actually the current 5D4 is already superior IQ wise with it's beefy 4:2:2 500mbps codec, DCI 4K resolution & C-log. The 1DX2 is of course even better with 4k60p, 1080p 120fps & 1.3x 4k crop. So yeah Canon is clearly protecting C-line & DSLR line by segmenting markets through careful feature placements. EOS R is going to be mainly aimed at still shooters that dabble in video & Youtubers/Vloggers that'll eat it up.

the crop factor on 5D4 hasn't decreased since it came out.. and certainly not with a firmware update or heat sink being put inside it?!

No IBIS, no Log, no 10-bit, Cropped 4K is my guess. No 120fps in 1080p already confirmed. I think the EOS R is mainly focused on stills and video for the casual / vlogger people (DPAF & Flip screen is what they'll put forward). For serious uncompromised video Canon invites you to try their C line of products.

I thought about that too and it's the only thing giving me faint hope for non crop 4K. However Canon don't communicate on 4K crop (no mention of it anywhere in the 5D4 or the M50 spec sheets) so I wouldn't take that at all as a sign that there isn't a 4K crop.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Canon slapped a 8-bit 4:2:0 codec in their $7,500 C200.. no way they're going 10-bit on their entry MILC. That's not the Canon way.

Yeah this is the Vlogger model. EOS R with Canon Log edition coming second quarter of 2020. ?

Quite a few specs missing? That PDF is longer than the 5D4 spec sheet.. and at 3 days from the announcement, I'm pretty confident those are final specs. The only mystery is of course 4K crop or no crop. Canon never publish that kind of info.

1.9x dear lord that's an epic fail if the case ? True however C-log is clearly listed in the same style Canon 5D4 PDF specs sheet under video shooting.

5D4 & M50 have no mention of the 4K crop either in their specs... Sad to see DCI 4K gone. Praying for C-Log & the rumored 10-bit out via HDMI. No IBIS is a major letdown.

Theres quite a gap in between the limitations of the M50 (Digic8) & the C200 (DV6). I suspect the R will stand somewhere in between.. On a more trivial note, anyone else think the R naming is kinda..Random? On a sex appeal level this is also one ugly duckling imo.

98% of the movies you gush over are filmed on a APS-C type sensor. APS-C is far from dead for video as far as i'm concerned. That being said the mirrorless race is on, and with APS-C modes inside Nikon & Sony cams well Fuji have to really up the ante as far as features & ergonomics imo. Rumors better be right about 10-bit internal. But with no IBIS, questionable AF, poor battery life and rather clumsy ergonomics for video (hate that 4 position lever in between stills & video mode) i don't think XT3 will make a huge impact outside of dedicated Fuji users. I myself will probably dump the system even though I'm still fond of my XT2 as a cheap, compact & affordable hybrid.

I agree. I think Canon are going to protect their pro DSLR line (as Nikon) and are going to continue to protect their C-line. This probably means single card slot, 4K crop, 8-bit etc.

They got SO much flack for that crop factor on 5D4, wouldn't be wise doing that again knowing what they're up against. then again it's Canon..lol

@Mattias Burling Never going out of AF-S means not taking advantage of Dual Pixel tracking though no? @EspenB Lol.. i suggested same thing couple minutes ago but just found out on nokishita that it's in fact a "Multifunction bar installed". Could be used for zooming among several other things i'd imagine

Actually I'm feeling the ergonomics a lot more on the Z6: joystick, tilt screen, ISO button, 2 front FN buttons, Mode dial with U1/U2/U3. No dedicated AF-S/AF-C switch on either.

..and Fuji XT3 images have leaked (not that anyone probably cares right now) I don't see a single re-design which is pretty damn lazy... full announcement Sept.6 (day after Canon ?) DOA anyone?

The control ring adapter was code named "M.ADAP R PL". My guess is it was bad interpretation, I'm assuming that adapter will allow smooth aperture control via the ring for EF lenses. In any case, both that adapter & the ND one especially seem to indicate Canon are aiming this at the serious videographer. edit: just noticed the dual (focus?) rings on all the R lenses, now that's also pretty interesting! edit 2: could that rocker switch be for motorized zoom pulls?

More like the Super35 mode in 1DC. Actual Super35 not 1.74x crop. And of course FF. For both 4K & 1080p.