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Sorry but I'm just baffled by Pannys attitude here, I mean the rep won't even confirm what the 24-105 aperture is..?!!! or anything at all for that matter.. notice by the end of the interview, the rep is the one holding the mic to Dave.. SMH. I'm sure the S1 will have good things for video but with virtually zero information aside 4K60p, i find this the most cringe worthy camera announcement as of late. I also find the lens alliance thing a bit confusing.. the whole system just kinda sounds thrown together and rushed in a last ditch me too effort.

kinda surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: 1DX2 hasn't got C-Log. or peaking. or 10-bit. For $6K i find that hard to overcome. We're almost talking C200 price range..

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I think AF point density is a lot more important than you may think in these particular MILC models as they are all line types. That is why Canon went with a whooping 5,655 AF point number to ensure similar if not better performance to it's DSLR counterpart. This recent Canon engineer interview from IR gives some interesting AF info relative to Z series: In conventional phase-detection autofocus systems, autofocus points can be either "line" or "cross" type, depending on what orientations of subject detail they're sensitive to. Line-type points can only "see" subject detail oriented around one axis (horizontal or vertical), cross-type points can detect and respond to subject detail in either direction. As is the case with the new Nikon Z7 and Z6 full-frame mirrorless cameras, the autofocus points in the EOS R are all horizontally-oriented line-type points, meaning they're sensitive only to subject detail in that direction. (The terminology can be a little confusing; horizontal points are sensitive to detail that's horizontal, meaning vertically-oriented objects. As an example, horizontal points can focus on picket fences, but not on window blinds.) This seemed like a weakness to me, but when I asked the Canon engineers about it, they gave essentially the same answer the Nikon engineers had about the Z7: Thanks to the very high density of AF points, the chances of missing focus on a subject because it has no horizontal detail are very low. Even with a subject like window blinds, if the camera is the tiniest bit tilted relative to the subject, an edge of a slat (for instance) would cross an area covered by an AF point, letting the camera focus.

Aside from the 1DX2, no other FF camera can currently do 4K60p.. internally or externally. Hardly a "complete miss" unless you are comparing to XT3/GH5 who are both crop sensors.

Other than the sensor, the main difference in between the Z6 & Z7 is the AF system: Z7 has 493 phase detect points vs 273 on the Z6. It would appear on paper that with half the PDAF points, the Z6 AF could be significantly less accurate.

@IronFilm Doesn't sound that bad.. dude seems pretty wrekcless shooting by sea shore, boats.. with sand, water, salt spray etc.. when cine cams like that aren't even weather sealed!! And in the end Canon serviced his out of warranty camera free of charge. Believe me that's pretty mild compared to the numerous Nikon D750 recalls, which mine was affected and took months to get replaced (Nikon Europe run out of parts and had to order from China factory wit boat delivery). That's one of the main reasons I left Nikon and went back to Canon, who still make their FF gear in Japan. I am very glad to hear though that the Z6/Z7 will be manufactured in the Sendai factory (which only the D5/F6/DF are still built).

Specs sheet of a body isn't everything. You are investing in a system so you can't dissociate glass in the equation. furthermore nobody here has even held an EOS-R, Z6 or XT3. the actual experience of handling & using a camera goes beyond reading a spec list. that is why jared polin's video above is interesting giving you a perspective based on actual user experience. not speculation or biased opinion (minus omitting fuji). Personally, i've shot & own glass from Canon, Nikon, Sony & Fuji. I could really go either way in my upcoming purchase and it's kind of been a tough decision as there really are pros & cons in everyone of these new cameras. In the end I'm leaning towards EOS-R. In fact i've got one on pre-order. Then again my 5D & C100 remain my favorite go to cameras despite the fact being considered totally obsolete by the majority. I just love Canon ergonomics, colors, lenses & dual pixel AF is the cherry on top (once you get used to it, its just very hard being satisfied with any other AF system). On the tech side, ALL-I codec is a plus, C-Log is easy peasy to grade and with 10-bit 4:2:2, IQ should be excellent for more serious projects. Yeah the 4K crop factor sucks, oh well I still deliver everything in 1080p. 4k will be for close-up shots (50mm F1.2 will become a 85mm F1.8). guess reliability/peace of mind is also a final decision factor. Never had an issue with a Canon. Knock on wood.

guess it should be noted in related news that canon are also looking at 8K for an EOS R cine cam: Can we support 8K in the future? Mr. Kiyota : We are assuming 8 K as an EOS R system. However, regardless of specialty fields such as broadcasting stations, there is a doubt that ordinary users need 8K in the first place. Even if you can shoot, there are issues such as whether there is a device that displays 8K, what to do with heat treatment, how to handle handling deterioration due to enlargement of file size, so carefully consider including those points first I think that it is necessary to go. Canon EOS R development confidential stories out on a limb here but could samsung also be the answer to canon's ageing sensor tech status? didn't they license dual pixel AF to samsung smartphones?

Re: Z6 vs Z7 - it should be noted the Z6 will have a AA filter (as does the A73) while the Z7 will not (as the A7R3) so could potentially have an impact on sharpness depending on how strong the AA filter is.

FYI xt2 has always had FLOG, externally at first but then internal via firmware upgrade. Yes eye AF is now available in video mode. The video linked in the article with the split screen shows you exactly how it works. It isn't flawless though, you can see hunting at 0:22 and it seems a little laggy at times. it's a cool feature but i wouldn't call it a Dual Pixel AF killer. Also don't forget this is an APS-C system with the fastest lens being the 56mm F1.2 which translates in FF DoF to a +F1.8. Getting razor-thin DoF isn't going to be as easy as FF unless subject is standing really close.

thread situation seems to have made it to Youtube (45:30):

No it isn't an L lens. it's also not priced like an L lens. it is said to have similar MFT characteristics to the 35mm 1.4L lens. But i'm not going to speculate/argue what unreleased lens is best. Just dropping the info i got. And imo at $499 the RF 35mm seems like a hell of a deal. FWIW i do own the 35mm F1.4 L and will surely purchase the RF 35mm 1.8 Macro IS. Not expecting it to beat it, but it'll be a fine addition. As for the Nikon Z primes, I'm sure they're perfectly good too. Nikkor rarely disappoints.

FYI both lenses share an 11 element 9 group design. Canon's RF35mm is said to have "remarkably similar MTF characteristics to those of the excellent EF35mm f/1.4L lens" in a smaller, lighter package. It can focus closer than Nikons and also has IS, Macro & extra control ring. All that for $300 cheaper.

Just peeped the Cinema5D report.. looks like you couldn't even record any footage at the Manchester event..making it kinda pointless to begin with imo?! we already know the specs, and what it looks like. Kinda strange/suspect they'd do that considering the camera is suposedly about to drop and therefore in final production stage. or is it?

Right who knows what exactly BMDs global PR/marketing strategy is and more importantly should we care? certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. they don't strike me as particularly well organized/alert in that field.

I'm going to take a wild guess and assume the P4K is made in... PRC.. hence them getting first dibs.. kinda like phones/sneakers.

it's a big market.. as they are walking advertisements for the product! hell even BMD caters to them: .. with a non AF continuous, non self-facing screen, non stabilized cine cam ! ?

Lexar is a horribly unreliable SD card company imo. Every time i've had card fails, it's been Lexar. Tony should know better as a pro wedding shooter. That being said, yeah shout out to him for being not only critical but for also stating he & his wife purchased the EOS R's when we know Canon we're handing them out for free. Way to go.

I must admit I was kind of shocked to read Andrew’s latest blog entry and it’s conclusion.. especially only days after decrying said press junkets and praising JB. But I understand this must have hit too close from home and to add insult to injury I’m sure BMD (a smaller word of mouth company) has sold a shit ton of cameras thanks to this site and could have made the effort to reach out. JB's reply visibly felt like a stab in the back. I think both parties are blowing this out of proportion. I do find it disheartening to see such feud amongst a host and one of it’s most popular contributors and sincerely hope they can work things out. In any case, I value this site and I’m sure right now is a tense time to manage and review gear ahead of what is announcing itself like an explosive photokina edition and hence would like to show my support to Mr.Reid, even if I don't always share his views. This is his planet. The guy has done a pretty amazing job with this site imo and deserves to be cut a little slack, wether you agree or not with his latest article and/or handling of the situation. We're all human beings and have our good/bad days. Let's not jump to any hurtful conslusions. I do feel an overall tense vibe here and beyond lately. Surely the recent announcements by all the big players has had a dramatic & divisive effect on the photo/video community. We should all relax a bit over the current state of gear announcements, our excitement/ disappointments, frustrations, etc.. in the end we all share a common passion and this is all beneficial to us as consumers. So many options out there and at unprecedented price levels. What a time to be alive!

1DC, 1DX2 & 5D4 all shoot 4K 8-bit 4:2:2 internal. probably the best thing too about that MJPEG codec. EOS R is 8-bit 4:2:0 internal / 10-bit 4:2:2 external.

highlight roll off is poor on most sony cams imo and let's not even talk skin tones or overall color science.. it's what sony tried to fix on FS5 mk2. as for broadcast standards let's not forget they are still 720p/1080i. so the 4k crop isn't even a concern for that. shoot externally on a C200/EOS R and you've got your ProRes 10-bit 4:2:2. internally only Canon & Panasonic (and soon Fuji) offer high bitrate ALL-I codecs inside their MILCs which is also nice, especially when shooting water etc. motion artifacts will get your footage rejected by broadcast QC. Sony seem to be the only ones keeping their ALL-I (XAVC-I) codec for their FS7 and 10-bit options for FS5/FS7. If anything, i'd say Sony are the ones crippling their MILCs..

top display does show camera mode icon when camera is off. you can check it out in the above video at 1:00.

Yes i think Canon's strategy is definitely to present EOS R as an add-on product to your C100/200/300 as well as 5D3/5D4 for still shooters. I know that is how I'm planning to use mine

I believe in yet another theory.. that Canon was indeed in a rush to put out an MILC system around Photokina this year but simply wasn't ready as far as tech is concerned to put out a new sensor, or develop a stable IBIS system. So they did their best with existing tech and this is what came out.. I actually think Canon have learned from Sony though, and haven't held back so much in features like they used to .. Nobody was expecting EOS R to have C-Log, 10-bit 4:2:2 out, 480mbps ALL-I codec, Face detect, peaking etc.. for $2300. They even added MF Focus guides from C200 and Cinema EOS original color matrix option to match footage with C100/C300. I believe Canon's objective is to make EOS R an add-on system to your existing C line cam & DSLR. That is how they've been presenting it during launch and that's quite a logical & smart business strategy imo. Of course they are not pushing the barrier very far like the competition is, and in many ways EOS R is super dated feature wise. I do applaud them for the inital pro lens line-up and the Vari-ND adapter, that's kind of a game changer.