Django

LOL.. this thread sure got derailed.. see this is what happens when you claim personal opinions as facts! Hopefully, we can all agree now gear choices are subjective.. and there is no perfect camera for everyone. Getting back on topic: the new Eterna simulation coming to H1/XT2 should be of particular interest to filmmakers as it's based on motion picture film stock:

This is not about IQ & I'm not "hung up" on sensor size, it's a question of aesthetic preference, and I'm currently infatuated in the Super35 zone. I prefer it over FF and obviously M4/3. . FWIW i love Digital Bolex and was sad to see them go and have shot many commercial projects with Blackmagic gear and continue to do so.. So yes, depending on the project I absolutely would and do use other cameras "over my XT2".. never claimed it was the end all be all of cameras.. unlike your statements with the GH5! Sadly this is starting to sound like fanboy defense talk...

Yes.. and David Lynch shot a 3 hour full feature on a 1/3" sensor consumer DV cam.. please let's not go there and compare ourselves to legends.. my point is simply to each their own.. and no camera kills another in the right hands..

Again, your opinion. Personally, i don't really care what "most" people think. Everybody calls themselves a "filmmaker" today so that doesn't really say much of anything. The reality is that YouTubers have different needs than other categories in the business. Like i have zero need for a flip screen. For me personally, the GH series holds no interest to me as long as they remain M4/3. The FoV doesn't work with my aesthetic and i don't like dealing with speed boosters / adapted lenses. EVA1 is the first Panasonic video camera that holds my interest in a while (Varicam LT being outside my price range).

Yes, you (conveniently) forgot all the downsides of the GH5! Terrible auto-focus, poor low-light, small M4/3 sensor, build quality.. all of which XT2 is superior. Then you have subjective things like the color science, pic profiles (film simulations), ergonomics, design & lens selection which in my opinion Fuji are also superior at. Other things like handgrip or battery life are easily addressed with the XT2's booster grip. Also, the latest XT2 firmware adds highlight exposure aid and rumors are Flog could arrive internally. The upcoming H1 will address IBIS, touch screen etc.. Finally, there isn't one all absolute type of shooters. Horses for courses, and not everyone needs 10-bit or anamorphic. So in view of all this, it does seem your claim is more opinion than facts..!

XT2 already does full sensor readout with no line skipping or binning and oversamples from 6K. As Andrew said, only on those (dpreview) charts might you find "issues".. in the real world that doesn't apply as you can see for yourself in the numerous XT2 vids out there.. Also, again as others have pointed out, there are advantages to X-trans design in video such as the mainly luma noise at higher iso which gives a much more filmic noise than Bayer sensors where random/fixed noise patterns or banding may be encountered..

Please don't put the XE3 (or XT20) in the same basket as the XT2 or upcoming H1.. That camera does pixel binning with it's 4K image whereas the XT2 oversamples so you don't get any aliasing and have a much cleaner/detailed image. Here is an XT2 video promo.. all footage ungraded and mainly shot handheld.. as you can see zero problems with hair or other fine texture:

Sony may be building Fuji sensors (as they do for Panasonic/Nikon).. but claiming the H1 will be a A6500 in a Fuji body is a bit of reach! For one the X-trans sensor design is quite different from standard Sony Bayer. It reduces moiré & gives a more organic/film noise at high iso. AF systems are different. Rolling shutter is also nowhere near as bad as A6300/6500. As stated above Fuji definitely have beta testers for their hardware "outside of the lab" but they usually go to.. Fuji users/advocates (like does every other brand!). I'd say you'd probably have better luck with beta testing Panasonic bodies, if not already the case (GH5S?)

Agreed. And it gets even better with the XT2. On the stills side, I'd say ergonomics easily beat mirrorless competition & even DSLRs. Having dedicated dials for ISO & shutter speed is just great while your eye is on the EVF, add aperture lens control, AF joystick and it's close to perfect. Photography feels so complete and like it should be and not like playing mortal kombat with button combos, nameless wheels, menu diving etc.. On the video side, it's a little bit more work in progress, no touch screen but with the latest firmware the AF is getting really solid. Generally the IQ is quite excellent, color science, best AWB.. a clean sharp 4K image. the film simulations, highlight/shadow settings.. you can get some really great imagery SOOC unlike Sony's. So now a XH1 with IBIS & internal FLOG seems nice but I would need a bit more than that to upgrade. I also don't understand why the XT2 can't get internal FLOG via firmware?? Anyways here is my top list of things i'd like to see addressed aside internal FLOG & IBIS: #1 A no crop APS-C/Super35 4K mode. There is currently a 1.7x crop in XT2 4K. #2 high frame rate (give us at least 120fps 1080p) #3 face/eye detection AF in 4K (currently only works in 1080p) #4 independent stills/video settings (i want my shutter speed to default at 1/50 in video mode)

Majority of 15-25yo spend way more time viewing content on their smartphones & iPads then TVs computers & cinema. Vertical viewing does seem to be the "future" for that segment whether we like it or not. Here in France, a local group of young popular youtubers have even started shooting vertically with their GH5's, A6500's. They have their NLE monitors set up vertically for editing! It's so popular that they've created an app for exclusive vertical content (shows, music videos, critiques etc).. I thought it was kinda silly at first but now i think it's kind of brilliant.. an investment firm just dropped a few million euros on them too!

I find the XT2 codec quite robust.. compared to let's say XAVC-S. Not to mention I used to shoot Canon Log no problem on the tiny 28Mbps AVCHD codec of the C100.. I'll admit I did run into some rather strange color issues when recording F-Log couple weeks ago on a Shogun but it could have been user error or white balance related. Like most 8-bit log profiles F-Log can be tricky I agree but as you point out in your video the extra DR can be useful but also important for color grading outside rec709 space. I just think it's really annoying only having F-LOG available externally, it's an odd limitation imo and was hoping Fuji would give us that by now.. Kudos though for finding how to activate the highlight warning in video mode!

Yes video mode of course... I've only done a few short tests but so far no hunting on static or moving subjects. Very steady, precise tracking. Like i said night & day with before. Maybe not quite dual pixel good but definitely on par with the best PDAF i've seen from latest Sony etc.. will do further testings this weekend..

Just updated the firmware and did a quick AF-C test and it seems night & day as far as speed & precision! Tested on the 23mm/1.4 at F1.4 with moving subject and tracking was flawless (and that's not a very fast focusing lens). Will do further testing during the weekend but I'm pretty impressed already at what Fuji pulled off here... The RGB Histogram & Highlight warning is only available on stills shooting though.. and still no internal F-Log :((

Having owned all 3 cameras (A7S, 5D3, D750) and used them on a multitude of paid events here is my opinion from a stills perspective: - 5D3: workhorse all-rounder. best sealing and build quality of the 3. best ergonomics (thumb wheel, joystick, ISO button). superior AF point spreading. better AWB. best skin tones. Magic Lantern which adds peaking and a bunch of stuff also useful for photography. - D750: also a workhorse but body & ergonomics are prosumer level. incredible DR (mainly useful for landscape photography) lightweight & tilt-screen - A7S: a speciality camera mainly geared towards extreme low light performance & video. consumer body. terrible ergonomics & battery life. not a very good choice for general pro photography imo. I'd give the clear advantage to 5D3 (especially if you're already in the Canon ecosystem) and even as a hybrid it's still very relevant thanks to ML Raw video. But of course D750 will also run circles around a A7S. Personally, I sold my 5D3 expecting to upgrade to 5D4.. but I've totally fallen in love with the XT2 using Fuji & vintage Nikon prime lenses. The size, weight, EVF, dials & lens aperture control have been a complete game changer for me and I have a hard time imagining going back to bulky DSLR's with no EVFs. The only aspect where (FUJI) mirrorless doesn't fully hold up is flash department which is unreliable as well as the occasional hiccup that could cause missed shots (I've had the AF go haywire a few times). For that alone i still go to Canon and rent a 5D for events where failure isn't an option.

Same EU price as A7R2 when launched. We always pay more in EU for gear then US. nothing new..

I think the A7R3 looks pretty damn sweet.. it takes the best features of A9, fixes all of A7R2's shortcomings and even adds stuff on top (HDR, 5.5 stop IS, pixel shift, usb-c). Very promising for A7S3 which will probably be out next..

Forget GH5 pricing. GH4 came out a $1699 yet A7SII was $3000. Full Frame is always going to cost more than M43. I have my doubts on it being A9S, more likely A7SIII. A lot of A9 features don't make sense on a video centric follow up. Better battery life, dual card slots & touch screen however would be most welcome. I highly doubt 10-bit 422 4K internal, that would place it above FS5! at best 10-bit 422 1080p and I even doubt that. Probably just ergonomic enhancements and PDAF with new BSI sensor. Maybe a bump in HFR or no crop 120fps.

Gotta say D850 SOOC IQ looks best here. That horrible yellow cast on the Sony, GH5 is reddish. Assuming he had WB on auto of course.

out of curiosity how is the 1080p? similar to d750 or clearer/sharper? 64 iso video I think is also worth a mention.. rather unique no?

RED cameras allow you to shoot all kinds of ProRes flavours (4444, 422) & resolutions in addition to R3D raw formats.. and even so we are talking high-end cine cams which is pretty niche to start with..

Focus peaking has been available for years on Canons via Magic Lantern. Zebras too. Canon purposely omit them from their DSLRs to upsell their EOS C line. D850 isn't going to change that fact.

Have you ever shot with the 5D4? because it sounds like baseless erroneous assumptions you are making here.. fyi FHD has improved since the 5D3. As for C-Log it is far from useless.. for matching footage from other C-log cams, getting creative with grades or extending DR.. it doesn't seem to break much on the "dinosaur codec"

DPAF isn't the only advantage (it's a big one though!). The 5DIV now has C-Log with view assist. It can shoot full read-out DCI 4K. MJPEG is a high bitrate 422 codec (for some that's a plus). Wi-fi remote capability is superior to Nikons. Another false statement. Canon EF-S lens aren't compatible, but third party APS-C EF mount lenses absolutely are. The Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 is a perfect pair for the 5D4 and gives a very workable range for video work. As for the 4K image quality, I disagree. Sharpness isn't everything (and I wouldn't call the 5D4 4K very soft). As far as color sampling (422), motion, lack of artefacts etc.. the 5D4/1DC/1DX2 DCI 4K is superior to most internal 4K from the competition imo..

Camera is also now off my list. It all the sudden becomes a ultra niche camera for RAW only shooters.. that need 420 proxies ..?!

Sorry but this sounds like a very biased anti-Canon stance which indeed seems to be a growing trend around here. The 5D4 is certainly not "100 times less good than D850". You cannot omit the advantage of Dual Pixel AF both for video and stills (when shooting LV). A camera system is also more than paper specs, you've got a bunch of subjective factors to consider as well such as ergonomics, lens choice, menus, weight, color science etc.. Build quality & reliability has also been an issue with Nikon as of late with numerous recalls on their bodies. Mainly due to so much part outsourcing whereas Canon is all in-house and Made in Japan. This is a major point for professionals. (My D750 being recalled and leaving me without a camera for 3 weeks and losing work because of it was the final straw with me switching from Nikon to Canon.) Besides not everyone needs/wants a 46MP camera and the huge files associated with that. As for the GH5 & A7S2 they also have their flaws, mainly terrible AF and for stills are way inferior to the 5D4. By non efficient people mean the 500mbps file size which is huge for most. Also it isn't "easy editable on most computers" my €3000 2017 Macbook struggles with the files. The upside though which indeed many seem to conveniently forget is that the codec is 422 and that the footage contains tons of information and simply looks great: thick & juicy image quality with tons of gradibility and filmic motion cadence. Like stated above it does feel like the closest to RAW. I also feel the 5D4 gets a ton of hate when things like MJPEG never seemed to be an issue for these same people on the 1DC & 1DXII..