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But then you have the candid moment only in photo or video….

A couple of frame grabs to show the AF R5c, AF at max speed, at 200mm at F2.8, on a gimbal with me walking fast. 50fps, 1/100 100 fps 1/200

20 seconds? Just timed (don't believe all these drama queen youtubers): Boot in video mode: 3 sec Boot in photo mode: 1.2 sec Switch Video to Photo with no sensor cleaning: 8 sec Photo to Video with no sensor cleaning: 4.5 sec

The R5 when in standby it has low res mode and I believe when you go into menus it even stops the live feed to save battery, there is a setting to enable high res if you use it with and external recorder, streaming etc.. The R5c basically is always processing the live feed even when non recording, the menus are transparent over the live feed and basically is always filming at the current settings thus it makes almost zero difference if recording or not. One trick is to enter playback menu as there it stops the live feed and basically stop draining the battery. I also think that all the additional feature like waveform etc... consumes more cpu cycles and on top of that the OS probably was never optimized for small battery. While recording on similar settings probably they use similar battery but the R5c is much more conservative with the battery status so it will tell you that the battery is gone while on a R5 you can still continue to record. Long story short the battery is the only real BIG issue of the R5c imo. You have basically 5 options and none are really great imo: - Change battery every 45 min no matter what you are doing - Buy the battery grip it will give double battery capacity, it adds bulk, weight and still cannot use 8k 50/60 RAW. Plus add costs but if you already have batteries it may not be such bad idea. - Buy a dtap to dummy battery, add a cage and a vmount plate and use dtap battery that you may already have, still cannot use 8k 50/60 RAW, bulky but if you have the batteries already not too expensive and cables are quite safe. Camera will run for many hours. - Buy a PD 45w power bank, can run for many hours, is cheap but cable is fragile and you probably need a cage and a power bank mount that are terrible imo. - My solution, add a cage, vmount plate, and buy FXLION NANO ONE and use the USB-C cable, it runs with the small ONE around 3h of recording 8k, the NANO TWO will last probably more than 6h recording. Disadvantage it adds bulks, and you need a cable locking system to protect the fragile USB-C, batteries are expensive but cheaper than buying 4 canon batteries. I think in future you will see third party dummy battery that provides enough V for 8k 60 from dtap. You could do it already with the canon coupler for R5c plus anthon bauer dtap thing but is a big mees, super long cables, a box in between and expensive. This is a joke. Again, I really don't understand why Canon is not offering a battery grip with R3 batteries and problem solved, no cables and enough power for 8k 60. If you do docs the advantages of the R5c is the face only AF, will never overheat, XAFC is so much better to edit, the various exposure tool and if you use 4k 50/60p the quality is much better. Lack of IBIS could be an issue or not depending on your style and if you use IS lenses or not. Probably in your case if you are not interested in the 8k 50/60 RAW is to buy the battery grip, if you already have many LP-E6 batteries you "only" have the cost of the grip. I don't like to rig cameras as I only do run and guns thing mostly in areas that you cannot even go with a car, so I carry my equipment on bikes, skis, heli, etc... and yet I prefer the R5c with this big battery issue.

I was worried for this but for my usage is really not an issue at all. What scenario do you take 20 sec video switch for taking 3 picture and back to video? I switch a lot and is not an issue (disable sensor cleaning in photo so it does it only once instead of twice every switch, you can even fully disable to gain even more time) by the time I'm ready to take the picture the camera is ready. I'm sure there are scenarios that requires super quick switch but then it may be better to use a higher shutter speed and pull frame from RAW video, I do it a lot in case that they need video and photos, and the "cinematic" aspect of the video is not so key.

My understanding is that EIS is exactly what catalyst, davinci etc do but in camera, all use gyros data plus lens plus tracking algorithms. Is even documented that Canon EIS uses Gyro: "The EOS C500 Mark II is the first Canon Cinema EOS camera to feature built-in five-axis electronic IS" Action cameras do the same too just they tend to use a really high shutter speed and a really wide-angle lens on a small sensor making things easier. I would prefer to be able to use EIS in post as some time is good and some time is not. Insta allow you this and I find it much better than Gopro. People mount gopro on car rollcage with EIS enabled and is just horrible. If you do in post you can always choose what is best. The advantage in camer is that it can coordinate with OIS and IBIS.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread. At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps. I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam). They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences. Plus for the R5c: 8k 60 RAW 4k 60 much better quality than R5 4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5 S35 5.9k RAW XAVC much easier to edit than h265 Face only AF, AF around the point only Cinema OS makes more sense for filming. False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc… Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc. Port protector let you flip the screen Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo. Plus for the R5 Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc... More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles) Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently) C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c Bigger UI font Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode) AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities. If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

Try to format it on a PC as exFat via a card reader so you can see if the card is functioning. I normally format my cards on the PC.

Tilt is useless on gimbal. I much prefer swivel for this reason and for remote camera as in many cases I cannot go behind the camera.

I'm a big user of insta360 cameras, I have 2 of them, mostly to film myself and sometimes I use for projects too.... looking and some side by side the 1inch is definitely a step forward. I do agree that 8k would be the bar minimum.... I think the industry stays away from 8k as stitching 8k video would probably only be possible on top-of-the-line phones and PCs.... and the market that they target it is mostly consumers. Same for requiring higher speed microSD 8k, 400 Mbits, 10 bit LOG would be the quantum leap that is needed to have 360 cameras used more professionally All screen shoots from videos:

The problem of the above kit is that the coupler does not deliver enough voltage for 8k 50/60. I found the best solution to use the FXLION One V Mount battery but using the USB-C port on a small rig V-Mount plate mounted on a Cage. It is really not my preferred solution to have a rig instead of a naked body but for people that use external monitors and tons of other things mine not but such bad solution. You can power a external screen from the same battery over D-Tap. Once somebody would build a coupler with d-tap that delivers 9v then I will simply switch the USB cable for the coupler.

So I did many test and the face tracking the R5c thanks to the Face Only mode is more reliable/usable for video than the R5. I did shoot a school theater (not my usual stuff) and with a 70-200 at 2.8 with even changing lights etc the Face AF worked almost perfectly and when it loses the Face the fact that it does not jump focus it does not ruin the shoot. In pure speed R5 and R5c with the AF settings to the max speed/reactive they are exactly the same, I tested side by side with the same lens. Now here is where my problem was the "large AF area" of the R5c is similar to the second smaller AF area of the R5 the one that I use the most for action and it turns out that R5c tend to stick to the BG and not refocus on the subject but surprisingly when using the smaller AF area the R5c works like the R5 in the second smaller area. Bottomline this seems to fix my issue. Still it would be cool to have R5 AF engine animal, vehicle and all the other AF area at disposal but with this setup it seems to work for my stuff as I normal use either Face or the small area AF. Bottomline the camera is growing on me, but it could be just amazing if they would really share more between the two systems.

One really annoying and wired thing is that if you switch from 59hz or 50hz to 24hz you need to format the card and if you go back to 50 or 59 you need to format again….. why? Also in 50hz you cannot playback 30p and 60 p videos and viceversa. R5 has none of these limitations

It is lens dependent all the RF you can do but EF only a subset, R5 you can change for all lenses go figure.... R5c is the same as the C70

I did some testing with the smallest AF area and is a tad better at least it does not stick to the BG forewer..... this Friday I will have the opportunity to test it again in a horse show completion and I will try with the small AF area but I'm not so sure it will be also hard to keep the AF area so small on the athletes.. . On the plus side the Face/Eye tracking with Face Only option is a better implementation than the R5c, is more reliable than as it does not switch to BG and back if camera lose the Face for a moment. You can force to search for the Face on the AF area only, so this is better than the R5 but not R3 level. Everything else regarding the AF the R5 seems quite a bit ahead. They should merge the teams and create a single set of AF algorithms that offers all the options that you have now spread in two OS.... the HW is the same so why not. Anyone that has the R5c that has a tip how to quickly scroll and delete videos as I could not find a quick way than clicky clicky clicky clicky done. On the R5 once setup is quite quick.

I went to a mini airshow F/A 18 and F5 and to a horse show jumping in these 3 days, something that I used a lot the R5 for and unfortunately even with the max speed setting the AF of the R5c is basically unusable for action, where the R5 would mostly keep the subject covered in the AF area in focus, the R5c would mostly stick to the BG 😞. I used the large area that is very similar to the square area of the R5 that I normally used but unfortunately is a no go. On the jet I had to switch to the whole area to get something if focus but with the horse show jumping you can't as it will focus on the obstacles and not the athlete. Not really sure what to try but I would say the AF of the R5c is not ready for action. I really want the R5 AF on the R5c or just enable the video in the photo mode!!!!!!!!!!! Also another annoying thing that when you turn off and back on the camera it put the AF square back to the center, not sure there is a setting for this but it should stay where I left it. On the playback page you cannot applying any lut and you cannot magnify so really hard to tell if it is in focus. Now I need to think if to buy one as B cam where the AF is not so key as I mostly prefocus and for long recording or just stick with 2 R5. Conclusion so far R5c is not a better R5 is a different R5 with some better and some worst part. A missed opportunity imo. The R5 would never do this to stay on the BG and I have done 50+ Show Jumping video with the R5 and the exact same lens.

So I got a R5c for a week to test to decide if to switch one of my R5 to a R5c. After the first two days these are my observations in comparison to the R5, that are hard to get from the youtube reviewer madness. The good: 8K 60 RAW is the same quality as 8K 30. Btw in Resolve on my gaming notebook I can playback on a 4k 60 timeline with no issue with some basic color grading. I was expecting worse 4k 60 is great and better than R5 4k 60 logically S35 6K RAW is also very good 4k 120 it seems also a tad better than the R5 but I need more test here to confirm XAVC is a way better format to edit than h265 so the fact that you can do 4k up to 120 fps 10bit Clog3 in XAVC is great The Cinema menu system is much more logical and better organized. Waveform! False Color and Magnifying all during recording. All the right info on the recoding display, the R5 is a bit of mess while recording video. You can decide what you show where for almost anything LCD vs VF vs HDMI You can really decide what you want to record on the second card in parallel, the R5 is ok but fairly restricted More DR, is it 1.5 stop more than R5 as Gerald claims I cannot judge but is definitely better than the R5 No limits, no overheating Still very small body With long lens with IS I really don’t miss IBIS, I see no difference vs R5 (70-200 and 100-500), non IS lens is a no go compared to the R5 logically. Face Only AF is really good for filming person as it will not focus on the bg and back to the face if it looses the face. R5 does not have this mode. AF at the maximum speed settings is on pair with the R5 it seems but I need more test to confirm Media playback has waveform and vector scope, R5 has nothing 2TB delikin cards are fast enough for 8K RAW LT 60 fps I can work with but it could be better: Switching from Photo to Video is slow but not as terrible as I thought, disabling in both Photo and Video the sensor cleaning make it somewhat usable Maximum shutter speed is 1/2000….. I sometime use the camera in 8K RAW as remote camera for pictures and I need more that 1/2000….R5 is 1/4000 Why is like this I have no idea,? The media playback part is not that great, no magnification on playback (same as R5), UI not great, no slow motion playback speed (R5 has it), need a lot of button press to delete videos, you cannot scroll through videos with the wheel, although on the plus side it plays back one after the other (R5 cannot do this). Would be super useful that you could cut RAW video files in the media playback (R5 cannot do neither) No audio controls for the onboard mic. R5 has it. The body is wider so balancing on a Ronin S with the nd adapter and EF 24-70 2.8 is not ideal as the VF bumps on the motor…. with some weights or having the motor work more is fixable. With EF lens no auto Iris but the R5 can do it. Prerecording does not work in RAW The bad: Battery is really miserable and if you record or not it consumes basically the same, the problem that when the menus are displayed the camera still capture video at the frame rate that you set….. the only way that it seems to stop chewing battery is to call the media playback menu, so this is the only trick that seems to work to save battery instead of turning it off. Using PD power banks solve the issue but the USB-C is bound to break and is on the main board. Using a Dummy battery coupler with a V-Mount battery currently is not a good solution because all the dummy ones regulate at 7.2v not enough for 60fps! The only one that serves 9v is the canon one Canon DR-E6C DC Coupler for EOS R5 C 5664C001 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com) that is overpriced and a piece of junk as you need another adapter for the D-Tap Anton Bauer P-Tap to Canon 9V Barrel Cable (20") 8075-0271 B&H (bhphotovideo.com). Really a bad solution. It desperately needs a third party dummy battery that regulates at 9v similar to this Kondor Blue D-Tap to Canon LP-E6 Dummy Battery KB-DTAP-CLPE6 B&H (bhphotovideo.com) Or the real better solution a battery grip with 1Dx,R3 battery……. If I keep it my plan is to buy a FXLION Nano One and use the USB PD port until somebody sells a 9v D-Tap dummy battery and then simply switch the cable. AF is way less features rich than the R5: no animal, vehicle, helmet tracking. No various AF sizes only whole, large and small. AF > 60fps is limited to Continuous AF, so no face tracking and no object tracking. This is the second biggest issue other than the battery I could not find a way to store and recall settings like C1, C2, C3 on the R5…… so changing from 8K RAW 24p to 4k 120fps XAVC you need to touch multiple menu items. This should really be added. Onboard WiFi is not working in Video mode. Canon should enable the video feature in photo mode like in the R5 so if you need more rich AF and better battery is there. Second they should optimize the battery management while not recording and add more features to the AF. The HW is capable so why not? Third they should sell a D-Tap 9v dummy battery and a R3 battery grip too. Forth they should remake the media playback part, with zoom, minimum video editing and better usability I love the cinema OS for video but they really need to fix the battery and add AF feature then it would be the best camera. I’m even happy if they just re-enable video on the photo mode. More tests in the next days.

I don’t get why sensors are not 1:1 seems only a relic of the film era….. Insta360 GO is 1:1 and is very handy as you can reframe in all the aspects that you need. 8K helps but a true 1:1 8k x 8k would be amazing even 6k 6k would be great

Is cool and strange that they got more DR out of the R5c as I pretty sure the sensor is the same as the R5. Not sure that I get the part that he loves USB PD power (very small plug that can break) but hates the micro hdmi (again a very small plug that can break).

Again Canon user and very happy but the Z9 has 8k RAW 60 with no external power supply for 1000$ more. A 400$ battery grip would solve easily this issue. As I said I would like to swap one of my R5 for a R5c mostly for the 60p in 8k RAW (I mostly shoot right now 8k RAW 24-30p but for sport/action would be great to have 60p) and unlimited 4k 120 with audio (on R5 is the mode that mostly overheats and is with no audio). Lack of IBIS is a bit of a concern but I would still have an R5. But the external battery is really a no go.

I have shoot pro trial bike, pro horse showjumping, pro hockey, pro ski, pro tennis, pro ice skating and pro car racing and you are telling me that to be PRO I need a dam cable hanging out of the camera that goes to a pocket or a mounting solution..... yeah right I really want a cable and a battery hanging around that could be ripped a part in a second. I owned 1Dx, 1Dx II, 1Dx III and now own two R5, would love to swap one for a R5c but the external cable is a no go for me. Do I want to jump on and off an helicopter with a hanging cable: no Do I want to be on my onewheel following an horse with a cable a big battery hanging around: no Do I want to mount a camera on a rally car and then need to mount a battery too: no Do I want to ski down a mountain with a cable and a battery: no Not every body shoot video statically from a tripod is a safe environment all the time. Guess what Nikon Z9 can shoot unlimited 8k RAW at 60fps with no external battery so I'm not asking the moon just a bloody battery grip that has enough power for 8k 60. And to the V Mount battery yes it make sense to use a battery that weight more than the camera itself.

I really don't get why they do not make an optional battery grip that would give the right power, it is annoying the external power requirement. As the DC coupler works there is no limitation on the battery compartment to get enough power in....

Real RAW is linear if not it needs some sort of processing. RED RAW is linear, Canon RAW is linear and this one too. So the log setting is just for preview to better expose for post.

From the official spec it was always clear that 8K 50/60 works with internal battery only without AF and IS, with external power AF IS works as normal including EF lenses. If I recall correctly that Gordon got it working on internal battery 8k 50p (not 60) with AF and IS but it was a pre release camera. This could even be lens dependent as I can imagine that you need less power for a 35 1.8 IS than for a 400 2.8 IS lens or could be that the final firmware simply does not allow it anymore as it may not be reliable.

Could you test with a full battery 8k RAW LT 50p with AF and IS on? As some reviewers (who trust them 🙂 ) mention that it works up to 50p....