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The best variND is a set of NDs. I gave up on vND as soon as you use them near or at full strength especially outside you get the X issue. At the end playing with iso/aperture ruin less the shoot than vND as the X is unfixable in post.
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Both R5c and R5 II have S35 or APS-C modes but the R5 II is more limited. Both is one menu item, in the R5c you can have it as a button on the R5 II I did not check. R5c can do RAW in cropped mode around 5.9k up to 60, plus it can do S16 at 2.9k also RAW (I believe it can do this 2.9k RAW 120). R5 II can do 4k (oversampled from around 5.1k) up to 60fps and 2k up to 120 fps. I don't use any as I prefer to crop from 8k as it gives me more freedom and I don't have any S35 lens but for sure for some it may be a very important point.
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RF 100-300 at 2.8 I need to practice a bit, this weekend I will film a local event as additional test, but from next week for 4 days there is the biggest international event that I cover, and I don't want to do experiment there. So, camera arrived just in time. Hockey season starts and the pro team that I cover will soon start the championship, curious to see the AF there as it is also quite challenging. To launch the season, we wanted to do some high fps slow motion of their top players while shooting onetimers with studio lights, I was looking in renting an Freefly Ember for this, but the super noisy sensor and no AF scares me. I will do some test now with the R5 II at 240fps to see if the effect is good enough as I can then skate with a gimbal and add movement to it at 2.0 with AF so I need way less light.... I did a few years ago at 120fps with the normal stadium light was good but not wow, at 240 plus studio lights may add a bit the wow effect. I'm accredited to these events so I can bring whatever I want, this helps.
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In preparation of the next two weeks of Horse Showjumping Events I went to test out the AF and the 200fps. Both R5 and R5c struggle a lot to keep the rider in focus when filming at field level due to all the obstacle coming in front of the subject. R5 struggles to face AF on people wearing helmets, R5c has helmet support and is surprisingly a tad better, none of the two you can define a custom Area where it searches for faces/helmet, R3 has it. R5 II has now this custom area with face tracking that seems to work much better in this extreme scenario: These 3 examples (same run) R5 and R5c would have lost AF at least 2 out 3 cases Still surprised by 2k 200fps quality, yes is not super detailed, yes it has stong aliasing but on the market there not much with good DR, good AF that can do 240fps...
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They really innovate NOT, so underwhelming …
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Yes good points. Q&S that is the only way to use 24p without reformatting the card if you change from 25,50 (I never understood this one). Also allow you to use 48fps. Shutter angle would be very useful indeed if it would be easier to switch fps and formats. As written above going from 8k 24/25/50 RAW to 4k 120 10 bit needs a few menu clicks.... in the R5 and R5 II I store it already with the right shutter speed in C1 and C2.... they really need to add memory banks in Cinema OS. Only use that I would see for me is 1/48 instead of 1/50 for 24p Anamorphic desqueeze, unfortunately not open gate. Custom LUT are supported in the R5 II too: https://cam.start.canon/tc/C017/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-2_0130.html Forgot this one too max shutter speed is max 1/2000 on the R5c vs 1/8000 on R5/II this is something that I use for remote camera as I stopped using triggers and try to get the right timing, I just film 8k RAW with high shutter speed and select the frame after.
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From what I could see so far (1 week of usage) R5 II vs R5 advantages: 8k 60 SRAW 2k 240 Audio in 120fps and 240fps Better rolling shutter Better DR, CLog2 Better AF (I need to test more) Better overheating resistance 6h recording limit Better IBIS (I need to do some more tests) Waveform 4 channel audio USB-C iOS support allows you to use an iPhone as monitor with the App with almost no latency. Does not work in video playback. App UI is a bit crap and does not take full advantage of the iPhone screen size Full HDMI disadvantages: Price, especially vs used R5 Needs new battery R5 II vs R5c advantages: 8k 60 RAW with internal battery SRAW 2k 240 Better DR, CLog2 Audio on the same file for 120fps More than double battery life, no need of external battery or battery grip. IBIS (still need to check more for the wobble). Better and much more customizable AF, all features available in all res and frame rate. WiFi USB-C iOS support allows you to use an iPhone as monitor with the App with almost no latency. Does not work in video playback. App UI is a bit crap and does not take full advantage of the iPhone screen size Quicker way to delete video files When playing back it has the view assistant LUT applied, why why and one more why the R5c cannot do this. Is so bad to show clients dull videos.... C1-C3 memory, super easy to switch between 8k 50 RAW to 4k 120 10 bit. You can also switch from PAL to NTSC with the C memory. On the R5c is a pita changing from 8k 50 RAW to 4k 120 10 bit, many menus and for PAL to NTSC is a reboot. Switching video to photo and back is instantaneous, although it really never bothered me the R5c Full HDMI A bit smaller body disadvantages: Price No crop RAW No 4k 60 oversampled Less customization, cannot really decide what you want on the screen, hdmi, evf Less proxy choices, for 8k RAW just one as is 2k. Overheats vs no overheats Waveform is a single size and there is no way to assign a button to show it or not. R5c has two sizes plus button assignable. Seems a last-minute addition this waveform. Peaking is available only in MF. I like a lot to have Peeking on also in AF so I can easily see if the subject is really in focus, or the AF did not pick it up. False colors works only with view assist (709 LUT) disabled. I like the cinema menus better, they seem more logically organized. The R5 II res/format/framerate is confusing, maybe I just need to get used to it. Still missing from all of them the possibility of zooming in while video playback.... why is such a thing so difficult to implement?!? Also why I cannot stop on a frame and have a clean screen so I can check the framing...
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DR improvements seem real. Battery life is quite good (or amazing compared to the R5c), overheating ok.
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For video the old batteries are basically useless, no raw, no 120fps, no 4k oversampled, no SRAW... the good news is 8k 60 with full AF with the internal battery my biggest issue of the R5c. Runtime it seems much better than the R5c (I would say similar to R5), it also does not burn batteries while not recording as the R5c does, but I need to do some proper work to really judge. Herain2020 posted a video of guy that got 2h of continuous 4k SRAW with one battery.... One thing that I'm positively surprised is 2k 240fps, I thought it would be unusable, but for short section is not too bad. It has of course a lot of aliasing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMLsXrCZ0-w
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I got the Camera last week, I did use it mostly for photos and video only for test purpose, but in the next two weeks I have a couple of big events and will be mostly video, and I will let you know. Two test frames, unfortunately 4k line skipped (10bit CLog2) because I run out of battery, I had to use an old one that disable most of the useful video features....
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I don’t watch OF videos he is such a click-bait…. he is true rat reusing work and info from others making up rumors etc… Not saying the issues are not there but I will not watch this guy ever. I have mine customized like my R5 plus some differences due to the new features, in a week of usage I did not have issues, I have a few with the Canon App that is unfortunately kind of standard with Japanese manufacturer having poor apps although thanks to USBC support is more usable than the R5. Just out of curiosity where did you find 5 new lp-e6p battery? I can’t find any here Switzerland.
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Do you use old batteries? This is when it changes my video settings as they are not compatible with the old batteries. So far is the only issue (kind of logic but annoying) that I had.
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I stand corrected, contrary to what people were saying SRAW seems very good, on pair to 4k Fine (oversampled) and much better than 4k 50p (line skipped), so it is not line skipped but what it is? The guy could record > 2h continuously in SRAW.... Also, 2k 200fps seems better that what I was expecting. 100fps no improvements 😞 PS: my R5II did arrive yesterday, I will test out in the next few days and share my first impressions
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RAW is normally a 1:1 pixel read out, so in case of R5 / R5c / R5 II is a 17:9 1:1 pixel read out making it 8k DCI no crop. SRAW in R5 II is 4k DCI but still no crop so it does some line skipping or similar. RAW and SRAW are 12 bits, with no processing so you can change completely the WB, Log profile, Gamut, Sharpness, Noise reduction etc. H265 is either 8 or 10 bits and it either Log or fully processed. So in theory you can post process RAW and SRAW much more than 10bit Log. Now R5 II has h265 4k 24-30 oversampled from 8k where 4k SRAW it does not seem oversampled.... so with h265 you in theory get more details with SRAW more room for post processing without the size cost of 8K RAW.
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Sure, it should arrive tomorrow, sold my R5 last week.
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As somebody that shoot mostly in 8k RAW with R5 (now replaced with the R5 II) and R5c I do strongly disagree with the above sentence.
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Slow motion with Versailles in the background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C3Qqwf-JA0 Congrats to the French for the great organization and the amazing locations!
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R5 offers 10 and 8 bit 8k since day one (h265 and h264) ALL-I, IPB and IPB Light not only RAW
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Is cool that they added XF-HEVC in 8k but the data rate is higher than RAW Light so I will stick with RAW 8K RAW Light (24.00p/23.98p): Approx. 1340 Mbps 8K 24p XF-HEVC S YCC422 10-bit High Quality Intra – 1920mbps
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Yes, the grading is a bit too much. The rest I like it. The only thing that worries me a bit is some wobble I hope is more user error / extreme situations than IBIS.
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I posted multiple times Canon RAW is super quick in Resolve better than HW accelerated h265 variants and on par with XAVC. With CFExpress I don't need to copy over I can edit directly form the card for quick turnaround. I shoot mostly 8k 50p RAW R5c so 2600 Mbps.... If people don't shoot any action/sport, don't us AF, don't care about raw, don't shoot pictures, R5 II is the wrong camera. As always here most people that negatively comment never have used a R5, R5c, etc, in my domain action/sports/wildlife Panasonic and Fuji are super niche cameras. On the price I will sell my R5 for 2k, buy the R5 II and keep the R5c. TCO of R5 2500$ over 4 years: 52$ a month. R5 II will be around the same. One time less a month in a restaurant and you are done.
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In Switzerland R5 launch price 4490 CHF R5 II launch price 4190 CHF If you take the inflation is even cheaper. It is pure economics, not many new shooters buy a Z8 or R5, mostly have already lenses and camera of one system, as you cannot produce enough to meet initial demand you start with a higher price to cash in on early adopters. Is not that difficult to understand. Two examples: Canon R3 launch price 5979 CHF!!! After 1 year: 4990 CHF, now 3990 CHF. Nikon Z8 launch price 4598 CHF, After 1 year 3099 CHF !!!!
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On RAW codec... Canon RAW is natively supported in Premiere Pro and Davinci Resolve, Nikon only in Resolve and in regards of bit rate: 8k 60p Canon 2600 Mbits, Nikon 3470 Mbits.... Not sure what is worst in Canon RAW vs Nikon I would say is the inverse. I agree on the R1 is really a meh release....
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I truly dislike Vision Pro eye tracking and the pinch gesture is so unnatural and slow. The controller on Quest is so much better input for me, I'm as fast as using my phone. I watch a lot of YouTube on Quest something that I struggled a lot on Vision Pro especially entering text for search is such a pita. I also disable passthrough in Quest. So, for me I have no need of complex eye tracking, high quality passthrough (although this is kind of useful) or silly outside projecting your eyes. What I would love is Quest 3 with Vision Pro screens at 1'000 or 1'500 usd. Imo doable already now or in 1-2 years.