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So if you don't need RAW or 5.5k but you want FF, AF and 10 bit, good for you as there are many more alternatives (exactly 3 🙂 ): - FX9 11'000 USD, 21 ms RS - C500 II 16'000 USD, 16 ms RS - C700FF 33'000 USD Suddenly 6500 USD camera is almost a bargain ..... but yeah RS in FF with AF is bad, no ND, no XLR, etc.... You don't need AF then you have a few more choices below 6'500 usd (exactly 1) - SH1 (at 6k the rolling shutter is not great either, 29.7!!, and at 4k 24.2). If you don't need AF the SH1 is a better camera for video for sure... The reality on this forum is that people expect any camera vendor to offer C500 II spec + 4k 120fps of the C300 III but on FF + the image quality and DR of an Alexa with some kind of lossless fantasy RAW compression 20:1 on really cheap SD cards in a Sigma Fp fan less submergible body with an on body battery that last 12h and a 10'' inch screen and should be below < 2000 USD 🤣😂 and with a coupon with a guarantee to win the Oscar.

Fair and honest review! To nip tick comparing used vs new prices is not really representative as in a few months there will be some 1Dx III used so then the gap will be different. You like a lot the GFX 100 that seems a really good camera and probably targeting the opposite audience than the 1Dx III (high res MF sensor vs low res sport camera)... I'm not up-to-date at all on GFX 100 but isn't the RS quite bad there too like 28ms or so? The data rate at 5.5k 60fps is 10%-20% than a RAW cinema camera so not that bad but yes they are huge. As comparison at 60fps on a 512 GB card you get 26 min for the 1Dx (5.5k), 30 min for the C500 II (5.9k) and 33 min for RED (6k) 7:1, BM (6k )(194 MB/s at 24fps) if it would be 60fps would be around 30min too..... high res RAW are big. C500 II the ratio is fixed on RED and BM you can go higher compression but at least on RED people seems not to go higher that 1:7 - 1:9.... komodo will be 30min HQ and 50 min LQ but 39 fps so if it would do 60fps would be in the same ballpack. RAW is definitely not for everyone....

I do mostly sports/action so not sure is helpful my experience. I use 1Dx III quite a bit on a Ronin S and if I want shallow DOF I use 50 1.2 and 24 1.4 so the mode that I pick is 5.5k 24 or 25 and on a gimbal I never notice the RS. I did track so far Parkour, MTB, Horse, rollerblades and never notice RS issue. If I don't need shallow DOF and/or need wider I use the 16-35 and f5.6 or above so I then switch to 5.5k 60 fps to have slow motion. In case I need both I use 4k 60fps crop. As you have the 1DC the weight size is about the same so you know what it means on a gimbal plus you are used to MF so using 1Dx III 5.5k 50-60 is not an issue for you. The big question is how are the 4k FF 25,60 and 120 modes of the R5... if they are very good I think the R5 is even better than the 1Dx III....... if the FF 4k modes are binned and not super quality then the 1Dx III is better especially if you need 50-60 fps.... R5 advantage over 1Dx III (mostly guesses😞 - less weight - flippy screen (not too helpful on a gimbal but is good to have) - zebra - 8k vs 5.5k - quite cheaper disadvantages: - less battery life - 60fps max out at 4k, if binned it will be less quality too - if it has a 1-1 crop it will be 2x - larger file size in RAW - no RAW > 30 fps - probably no dual card video recording (on 1Dx III the only dual recording mode is when in RAW.... as it does RAW in one card and whatever 4k mode you select on the other (from 8bit h264 to 10 bit h265 LOG). If you are not in a hurry I would wait the first reviews hopefully will be in July .... and if you are undecided maybe rent both....

Please read a sensor specification sheet. In sensor’s specification there is the scan time / fps for every mode, windowed and not. Some they mention in ms some they mention in fps with comma precision eg. 128.21 fps.... go check some sensor specs. Even in single shoot mode the RS stay the same and you have all the time to process the photo buffer. So A9 sensor is more than twice as fast to scan ca 6-7ms than the 1Dx iii ca 16ms. But Canon can process 60 fps almost full res 17:9 where Sony not so an educated guess the processing power of the 1dx iii is > A9 but sensor readout is exactly the inverse.

This is why 1Dx III is not a mirrorless they don't have a sensor with that fast read out but the A9 sensor has other problem like less DR also no fast mechanical shutter (led panels are problem in stadium) and also have really limited video modes. Crippled or tech who knows? Personally for sports I prefer OVF, I tried quickly a colleague A9 on a pro hockey match and I did not like the EVF. I had more problem following the action but maybe using it for a couple of games I would get used.... Probably a mix.... finally trying to do their best and not cripple but also they don't have a quantum leap on sensors tech that people are dreaming of..... thinking that Canon would come out with a FF 8k 30fps RAW with great RS DPAF with super sampled 4k 120fps DPAF at 4000 USD is a day dream when their 6 months old 6K FF cinema camera cannot do 4k 120fps..... and no other competitor has similar spec even on the most expensive cinema line I'm really curious to see what R5 will bring the good and bad...

Correct just check out and they mention same quality from 25-100..... The more I think the more I tend to guess that is the same tech as 1Dx III with more pixels. So FF 8K 30fps and 4k 30fps will be great but bad RS and 4k 60 and 120 will be soft but good RS..... not sure they will offer a 2x crop although a 2x 1-1 4K 120 for some scenarios would be a nice feature. I have hard time to think that they have the tech for 4k 120 super sampled with AF on a FF sensor on a fan less body as no other camera at whatever price can do FF 4k 120fps..... There must be something if not they could have easily offer 30 frame per second in photo mode.... and in photo mode the RS is 16ms > 5.5k and DPAF but max 20fps with electronic shutter as here they are competing with D6 and A9II already going to 22 or 25 would have been a good marketing point

Wild guess here.... if the R5 use similar sensor design just more res... 8k 30 is full readout like 5.5k 1Dx so 32ms, 4k 60 is binned like 1080 60 on 1Dx, 4k 120 is like 1080 120 on 1Dx..... if it will also offer a crop mode it will probably be 1-1 pixel read out then it would be a 2x crop. Or it has a better cpu and sensor and it does all in 16ms or even 7ms and will have an amazing FF supersampled 4k 120fps that no other camera in the world has.... and then not sure it will offer a crop. I tend to bet on the first but who knows

1080p at 120 is quite soft as in 1Dx II some people say that for 120fps is good and I have nothing to compare but to me is quite bad. I did not really try 1080p 60 as I don't see the use case for me but I would tend to think that is better than 120..... did you had a chance to compare 1080 modes? My pure guess is processing time (power)..... 5.5k pixels + dual pixels and scale down is much more data to process than reading a 1-1 4k pixels + dual pixels..... could they implement center only AF as option or at least when you put the camera in MF switch to fast readout? Only canon engineers could answer this... I tend to guess again that the sensor is somewhat similar to the 500 II (FF 6k is ca16 ms) but due to cooling and processing power they cannot do both 5.5K pixel processing and DPAF pixel processing in 16ms.... I take 5.5k bad RS vs 5.5k good RS but no AF any day but I really depend on AF for others the priority it is probably the inverse. I'm quite sure that they could have implemented a MF mode that is 16ms.....

No in crop mode is quite good at whatever framerate... in FF is bad up to 30fps. FF 50, 60 is 16ms... but you lose dpaf. FF 5.5K or 4k 50,60 good rs no AF FF 5.5K or 4k 24-30 bad rs, AF Crop 4k 24-60 good rs, AF If I don’t need slow motion I mostly shoot 5.5k 24 or 25. If I need slow motion depends if I need AF or not is either 5.5k 60 or 4k crop 60 10bit I’m mostly tripod or ronin S so the main issue for me is fast pan on tripod but I rarely do. Normal panning following an athlete is not a big issue. Btw panny at 6k is 28ms so the 4ms is not a huge difference... but here seems the world is coming to an end. You don’t need af or a sport camera just don’t buy it.... you need AF there is not much alternative if any as hybrid at the moment. Curious to see if the R5 is better or not...

I took the wrong table 😒 Rolling shutter in crop mode is the same or very similar if not 100% identical between 24fps and 60fps try yourself and you will see So with the right table 4k DCI 1.33 crop 24 fps w2ill be 170 Mbits and 340 Mbits at 60 fps .

Please don't as I think I'm more than fair in my assessment see my list of negatives and I think I did contribute with mostly facts based on owning the camera: If my contribution is not welcome here just ban me but don't call me canon apologist, I learn a lot in this community and I hope I did contribute a bit.... 230 Mbits for 10 Bit Long GOP imo in 2020 is quite ok

I posted already this is not a scientific test so hard to make conclusion. How can we be sure that the exposures are the same and in what mode the 1Dx III was (D+?, LOG?) . I'm not sure where you get most DR on RAW... iso 100, iso 200 with D+ or iso 400 with LOG.... highlight recovery in RAW ISO 400 LOG ON in theory should be better but overall DR from usable shadow to highlight not sure... hope somebody does a scientific test in various modes. Also normally on Canon it seems that 10bit LOG has some NR applied so you tend to get a bit more usable DR..... this seems to be true for C500 II and C300 III not sure about 1Dx III. I don't expect to be better than the S1h but to be fairly close.

Wasn't your complain on the M6II that is upscaling and now you want that.... you can do in post if you want but you cannot do the inverse go get DCI 1-1 Comparing to 1D C datarate .... 5.5k RAW vs 4k 8bit 1800 Mbits vs 500 Mbits. But ALL-I 4k is 470 Mbits vs 500 Mbits and the MJpeg are much faster to edit than h265 ...

How could they get 1.5 crop with a 1-1 pixel read out with a 20mpix sensosr....

@Andrew Reid in your article you mention 1.5 crop not sure how you get to that as 5472 / 4096 = 2886 / 2160 = 1.336 Also I think you should mention that is your machine (hackintosh) that seems to have problem with Resolve as others with even below specs than yours can playback realtime.

In 1-1 pixel crop (ca 1.34 crop) you get AF. You get all the 1Dx2 modes but in 10bit LOG. Also the DPAF is a big improvements over 1Dx II with all the new AF zones/sizes and eye tracking. For action video I like the wide zone a lot. As reality check here the long list😀 of FF no-crop 4k 60fps cameras with useable AF: - C500 ii - C700FF with crop or non ff: - C300 iii - C200 - FX9 (is the least cropped of all) - 1Dx II - 1Dx III

They mention here that they have not test DR yet so there is hope that they will https://***URL not allowed***/canon-1d-x-mark-iii-review-and-sample-footage/

What are you talking about? Every review is very positive, yes it has limitations as every camera but what are you expecting a C500 ii merged with an Alexa in a rather small weather sealed body at 1/3 or 1/5 of the price? Is a FF 5.5k RAW with a great AF alternatives? C500 II, Fx9 (no raw)

I had the doubt that the 1Dx III is the first one doing 10bit h265 4:2:2 having R5 having the same hopefully both intel quick sync and NVidia will support 4:2:2 so resolve could use. Resolve did add support recently on 4:4:4

1Dx III has 3 formats: - 8bit h264 4:2:0 that in Resolve is HW decoded on NVIDIA 10xxx and newer. This a popular format so nothing strange here but you need Studio version to get HW decoding. - 10bit h265 4:2:2 that is currently not HW decoded by NVIDIA nor by Intel Quick Sync and afaik 1Dx III is the first camera to use it.... According to NVIDIA doc 20xx cards supports HW decoding 10bit h265 4:2:0 or 4:4:4 but not 4:2:2, hopefully they will implement 4:2:2 in the future. On a modern machine like i7 9900k the CPU can do the software decoding in real time but on slower machines is really a dog to edit. Strange thing is that IPB is faster than ALL-I and this seems like a bug to me. - RAW that is a small variation of the C200 RAW so is not really new. Canon RAW currently afaik is only software decoded and debayerd so you need a fast CPU, you still need a rather fast GPU as is downscaling 5.5k to 4k. Anyway Resolve for 4k editing whatever format needs at least 8 GB Vram. On my rather old gaming notebook RAW is 2x faster to edit that h265 10bit.... I did order a new gaming notebook (i9-10980HK, 2070 super), as soon as I get it I will report back. A desktop PC would be cheaper and faster but I absolutely need to edit on the road.....

Is not mine at really high iso but should work for a quick test https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q7qp8dX3vFemiiw9h-S0DpWPg8KkxGKs/view I would need to shoot 10 sec and upload but the link should work

RAW are 100% "decoded" and debayerd in CPU as far as I know, the grading is applied by the CUDA. h264 and h265 are decoded in the CUDA GPU but not the 10bit 4:2:2 only 10bit 4:2:0.... this is why 1Dx III LOG file are even more demanding on the CPU than RAW.... 20xx Nvidia can also HW decode h265 4:4:4 but apparently not 4:2:2

You can just have Resolve generate optimize media..... you pick the in and out on a rough manner, drop it in the media bin and then right click all the clips and hit generate optimized media (the setting of the format are in the timeline setting). Then in edit and color tab you can just turn on and off optimize media.... very easy. This is the way I edit on my 3 years old notebook.

fps is displayed on the top left of the viewer window see my above post near the 57% there is a red dot a 11 that is the current playback speed. normally it should be green with 24 or whatever. Here you can see the speed that a 9900K would get you with cinema light... https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-Studio-CPU-Roundup-AMD-Ryzen-3rd-Gen-AMD-Threadripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1538/ As you can see it should do with basic grade > 45 fps. Something is wrong on your machine. Did you check the CPU load? On a dell XPS 15'' i7 9880H I can get around 17-20 fps with a crappy GTX 1050.... for Canon RAW CPU is the key factor

Cannot be that slow as I get 11-14 fps on a 3 years old gaming notebook that the CPU is like 1/4 of yours (16 GB RAM, i7-7700HQ, 1070 M ). In the other 1Dx III thread people with similar spec (on windows) could do real time no problem. You can see it goes from 11-14 fps on a 4k DCI timeline on a 4k res screen. Source is 5.5 RAW 24fps.... full res, no optimize media and no 1/2 or 1/4 res directly from the CFexpress (you can try this to see if your SSD has an issue maybe.....) @Trankilstef machine I9 9900K, 32 gb RAM and RTX 2080 Ti can play back real time no problem.....