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Codec isn’t good enough? 5.5k RAW 4k DCI 4:2:2 10bit log h265 4k DCI 4:2:0 8bit h264 4k UHD 4:2:2 10bit log h265 4k UHD 4::2:0 8bit h264 Seems to me that the codec choice is just great.

I want to see a video that shows setting 5.5k RAW 30p and then performing AF while recording. People can say what they want and with so many YouTube rush preview of the preview of the preview of the preview reviews 🙂 I don't trust any. I prefer to trust the spec (hopefully these are correct)

1Dx III as I mostly shoot action so the fps for still and 60fps and 120fps for video are very important. Plus medium format has more limited lens selection and no real long lenses. MF lens are even more bulky than FF ones. Last but not least I have a good selection of Canon lenses. I did not check footage of the GFX 100 so not sure on the impact but is 10bit 4:2:0 and not 4:2:2 and max 30fps... 5 fps still is very slow for any action. Imo GFX 100 is a landscape camera if that is your primary goal then is probably a great camera and 1Dx is the wrong one. But anything fast paced or need long reach then GFX is not a great choice. If primary goal is video a C500 II or FX9 is a much better choice. Not really sure why your question because are so opposite these two cameras.

Did the user check at 30p RAW or above? Could be that two different spec sheets, one in europe and one in usa, are both wrong but would be a big mistake. As I stated on a previous thread view that camera can shot at 20 fps RAW 14bit photo with AF tracking does not seems impossible at least at 24/25 fps RAW video. But yeah if people could check would be great.

Would be cool to check: - if it can really AF at 5.5k RAW 30p (spec says so but with all the confusion is better to check) - if you can take a frame grab from the 5.5k RAW and save it as jpg - if it can write the same 10bit video on two cards in parallel (RAW card 1 and 4k proxy on card 2 works, so I'm curios for two 4k videos) - Quality of 120fps FHD, not easy to check but maybe they let you bring home 1 TB CFExpress as a gift 🙂 - If histogram is available while recording (I doubt) - if the 30min limit is there or not (not sure they let you run a long test) - Latency on wifi while monitoring the video over a phone

On my 1Dx II in 4k 60p vs 30p has exactly the same sharpness and quality. 120fps FHD is quite soft. 50/60 fps FHD I have no idea as I never used that mode

For one that they have a good video for promo instead on the usual bad ones..... Not sure I could say is better the 120fps quality because it is a different stage from where I use the 1Dx II.... ski, ice hockey, mtb or horse show jumping would have been better for me to compare. I highly doubt that they can do 120fps supersampling and seen that the C500 II has a huge crop at 120fps I tend to think that it will be about the same as the 1Dx II pixel binning 120fps quality but at least we gain log and better bitrate so maybe a tad better due to this it will be.

Yes, it is in the canon whitepaper: FF fhd 120fps 10bit 4:2:2 h265 CLog. Hope the quality is better than the 1Dx II.

The communication and wording is super crap. I think once they saw the confusion they should have printed big and make it clear like you said. Btw the table is liked in the spec pdf from the USA web site.

The table is clear no AF in RAW 50/60 and FF 4k 50/60 not to hard to read. Same is the Europe spec: * Dual Pixel AF operates in all modes except for none crop 4K or RAW at 60p/50p recording." It is so hard to understand that the only two camera on the world that can do FF at 50/60 with AF have big cooling fan and at least double of the body size. From the same manufacture and about the same pixel count. For sure Canon decided to put fan just for fun so they are not weather sealed. So yeah cripple hammer. You guys should write some high throughput parallel code on non active cooled cpu and then you will realize how hard is to keep it stable running.

Yea right you should not trust youtubers and news guy wanna be but check the official spec: https://www.canon-europe.com/cameras/eos-1d-x-mark-iii/professional-filmmaking/ "Dual Pixel CMOS AF When shooting video, Dual Pixel AF provides smooth focusing on objects selected by tapping the camera screen (or the screen of a smart device running the Canon Camera Connect app).* Faces and other objects can be tracked around the frame and the camera will smoothly re-focus to keep them sharp. You can even select which eye the focusing system should prioritise, or leave the camera to select the nearest to the camera. * Dual Pixel AF operates in all modes except for none crop 4K or RAW at 60p/50p recording." https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/1d-x-mark-iii/specs/eos-1-d-x-mark-iii-specifications.pdf (5472 x 2886) 59.94 fps* 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps RAW 4K DCI (4096 x 2160) 59.94 fps* 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps ALL-I IPB 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) 59.94 fps* 29.97 fps ALL-I IPB 4K DCI (cropped) (4096 x 2160) 59.94 fps 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps ALL-I IPB Full HD (1920 x 1080) 119.90 fps** 59.94 fps 23.98 fps^ ALL-I IPB 29.97 fps ALL-I IPB IPB (Light) * AF does not function. ** Audio not recorded at High Frame Rate 119.90 fps recording ^ 24p recording will be supported through firmware update after shipping.

You should check your facts because 1dx iii can perfectly AF at FF 5.5k 30p RAW it cannot at 60p Second the camera reads RAW in buffer then you need to do AF and in parallel compress the RAW data write to the card and process a 4k supersample proxy 10bit 4:2:2 and write to a second card all in 16ms max. But yeah is crippling as everybody has this tech and spec in a weather sealed body.....

You need to process these pixels to do the AF while you are reading and pumping out to a CFExpress card in parallel in a weather sealed body..... No one as done it yet in a sealed body..... and with fan only two cameras that starts at 16k usd did achieve this….. So yes there is not technical reason is just a cartel crippling 🙂

Yes "really finally" because there a are soo many others camera and manufacture that offer 4k 60p FF with AF 😉: A wait only C700FF and C500 II have it. It is an huge amount of data to read and process in a small not ventilated camera. No cartel of whatsoever..... just cost and tech challenges.

FF 5.5k up to 60fps and FF 4k up to 60fps 10bit Log yes I agree Canon priorities for video makers are pretty low for this camera. Who would ever spend 6.5k usd for delivering 1080 can pick tons of other much cheaper cameras? It is good that they will add it as fw update and I’m sure will be the least used feature for the buyers of this camera. You seems frustrated and trying to find wrong things on this camera at all costs. You don’t like it, too expensive for you, ok so move on.... the good news is that you don’t need to buy it?

Only static shoot on the last video, camera is fixed on a tripod. Other test did not seems to show too much gain in details for reframed video. Photos seems a good step up but I don’t care too much for 360 photos. For me the interesting part is the reframing and there it does not seems to gain that much if any....

Did order the one R as I use quite a bit the one X as action camera but not being waterproof and the very fragile mount and no lens protection is a pain. I have the venture case but is the worst thing I brought the stitching even with the flag for venture case is quite bad. If it is good I will sell the one X. I did take a loom at the 8k quocam but no exchangeable battery, size and same fragile construction is not well suited as action cam. Waiting for review of the 1’ module if it is good I will buy it to replace my gopro 4.....

Yes I think you are right but also at 24fps should be the same as you read then wait then read etc no? Do a read on how to manage a software backlog in a large team with priorities, cost, velocity etc. Also do a read on test driven development and you realize how much more time it takes even for a few line of code especially when you are so close to deliver a final release. But yea is typical Canon crippling for a few month to protect xyz camera? In fact Canon will lose tons of sales due to people waiting for the firmware to add 1080 24fps..... You should be happy that Canon finally is all in at least with the 1dx iii and c500 ii... more competition is always good. I’m a Canon user but I’m super happy that Panasonic, Fuji and Blackmagic continue to innovate and push the boundary. I’m sure without them there would be no improvements on Canon video part in dslr... I hope that they will be all in also on the R and M camera in the future...

I don't want to start an argument here as there was a long full wrong info thread on the 24p for Canon. Sony and Canon did omit a feature that will be released as firmware, so it means no technical issue but did not have enough time, man power or priority to finish it in time. If it would be a big technical challenge it would be a huge risk to officially announce that you will deliver this feature in a future firmware update and you may never get it done. When you write software you always have trade off in term of priorities vs time to implement vs. available dev time and testing costs. Sony decided to postpone 4k 60p, canon 1080 24p to me it seems the same issue, I do agree that probably Sony 60p work is much bigger especially for long run tests. What is you conspiracy theory to omit 1080 24p and announce that it will come as firmware update? Is to protect for 2-3 months a C500 II ?? Anyway in general I hate this new trend of unfinished software for camera with promises that can take even 1 year.... Indeed it does not look great, let see the measurements. Canon C500 II FF sensor also around 20 Mpixels has a rolling shutter of 15.9ms in FF so they would have the tech do have good rolling shutter.... Also view that one of the advertised feature is to take picture at full res in RAW at 20fps fully silent I hope they have a good rolling shutter but the video posted does not look promising.

"No 1080 at 24p" there will be a firmware allowing this.... seems they copy Sony in thing like for the FX9 no 4k 60p until firmware...

I really hope that more sooner than later Resolve will support this new CRM format. No interest at all to go through a middle step utility. Workflow and video quality are still the big unknown. In your case I would wait for some comparison between the 5.5k RAW of the 1Dx to the 4k S35 C200 RAW and 4K FF 10bit vs 4K S35 8bit before taking any action. It could be a step up in quality or a Canon disaster... I do expect also the DPAF on the 1Dx III to be a bit better than the C200 but not sure. I wanted to add a C200 to my 1Dx II but many times I need to walk and having two cameras to carry with different battery etc. is a pita. Also for flight traveling the space in cabin bag is super limited. Bottom-line if it has better in video quality than the 1Dx II (as it should be) I will sell the II and buy the III, but only after some good tests.

C200 and 1Dx III have the same price: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1512601-REG/canon_eos_1d_x_mark_iii.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340800-REG/canon_2215c002_eos_c200_ef_camera.html Advantage of the C200: Internal ND filter Proper audio with XLR Exposure helps like waveforms EVF More customization 30% smaller RAW file with proven workflow DPAF in RAW 4k 60p SDI Movable LCD Advantage of the 1Dx III: Can take picture, actually this is the main goal of this camera. FF vs. S35 5.5k RAW vs. 4k RAW FF FHD 120fps with DPAF vs crop and no AF Middle codec 10bit 4:2:2 Weather sealed Smaller and a bit lighter More gimbal friendly More future proof memory cards and a bit cheaper What we don’t know yet: Low light performance DR Rolling shutter 1Dx III RAW workflow Again if you do only video c200 is probably the better choice other than gimbal work and harsh conditions. But if you do photo and video then it becomes more interesting especially if you are in the action/sports etc.. area.

My bad judging for all the world, here in Switzerland with 35k a year you cannot live point. So then my proportion make more sense. LA area I also doubt that you can live with 35k but not sure.

Me too, 1Dx II is 14.7ms but is crop so around 20-25ms but just pure guessing. Did not see anything about timecode sync so I doubt it has it

If a pro cannot afford a 1200$ per year for a camera then there is something wrong. So if you would buy a SH1 instead at 4k it would be ca. 800$ a year so difference is 400$ a year I would say that every pro should be able to afford. IMO you buy in to a system + lens (I buy mostly used lens) and you stick with a 3-4 upgrade cycle you end up spending way less that trying to switch every 1-2 year to another system..