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The buffer is much better than the original M and it is around 18-20 Raw photos and it takes around 8-10 seconds to clear it. It seems big but when you shoot at 7 or 9 fps it is just a two second burst and then you need to wait 10 seconds.... Not sure what it means in regards for RAW video assuming that there will ever be a ML for the M5 Btw the original M was the slowest camera that I ever had.

Have you got it already?

I have an M5 and is my travel camera mostly for photos because my 1dx and 1dx II are too big for that. I had a M before but the M5 it is much better. I also use the M5 as remote camera or as wide angle second body for some stuff that I cover. I have only the 11-22 and the 22 2.0 for the rest I use my EF collection. Regarding video I have used only a couple of time a C camera and it is just ok very similar to the 80D, classical canon 1080p For photos: The good: + photo quality, it is good with good DR finally at 100-400 ISO. Classical Canon sensor so I process the Raws as I do with the one for 1Dx. M5 more noisy but to be expected + ergonomics + touch screen + touch screen even when off can be used to change focus point while looking in to EVF, very handy + remote port + 7/9 fps + DPAF very accurate and works even low light. Fast but not blazingly fast. + size + 11-22 is very very good with IS and tiny and quite affordable. This is why I use it a lot as a second body for wide-angle shoots. + 22 2.0 is also very good and super tiny and cheap. A bit slow on the AF side but still usable + adapter works well and most EF lens AF work well and quite fast. I have used quite a bit the 24 1.4 and 50 1.2 on it and with great success. I also use the 8-15 fisheye on it quite often + wifi The bad: - small buffer in RAW - takes a lot of time to clear the buffer - much slower than the 1dx in operations like picture review, etc… - EVF is not great but I hate EVF so maybe I’m not the right guy to comment on it - no live view while taking burst. A no go for action/sport - no fully silent mode (fully electronic shutter). Why why and one more time why?!? For video: + DPAF very similar to the 1DXII + 60fps same quality as 30fps + canon colors - no 4k - classical soft canon 1080 - less bitrate than the 80D I would not recommend it as primary camera for video there are better choice in the price range. Where it shines is a travel, backup and eventually B/C camera for canon user thanks to the tiny size but full support including good AF with the EF lens. If my primary system would not be a canon I would not have brought the M5 but for my need is quite good. Of course if it would have had 4k 30p even only at 4:2:0 100 mbits would have been much better for video.

So the 5D/1DxII DCI 4k 4:2:2 8bit MJPG at 500 Mbits that you can edit in real time without transcoding even on a notebook it is insane but at the same time everybody is crying because the C200 does not have a DCI 4k 4:2:2 10bit at 400 Mbits…. and also everybody is eagerly awaiting the GH5 firmware that will allow an edit ready 4k 10bit 4:2:2 at 400 Mbits. But hey 400 Mbits is perfect and 500 is insane...... If you want to edit ready 4k without transcoding in a good quality you will end up with at around 400 Mbits anyhow…. IMO the best B cam for the C200 is another C200 or C200B. It is a big advantage to have two cameras the same that you know the pro and cons, the menus, the customization, the button layout, the expect output, the sensor characteristic, same DOF, same lens and crop factor, NDs, the AF behavior etc… Additionally you have the same battery, same media, same LCD etc… so if something breaks or is forgotten you mostly have a second one with you. Personally I already hate switching between 5D and 1Dx… So you will save time, have a perfect backup and probably at the save money. In my case if I will buy the C200 the B cam would be my 1Dx II because I use it a lot for photography and in particular for action photography but if I would only do video probably I would buy a C200 and C200B. If budget is an issue a C200 and a used 5D IV would be the best compromise IMO.

If I got it right from the cinema5d article it seems that Resolve 14 beta is already able to edit the Raw Light, it would be cool to have even only 10-20 seconds raw file to try it out. Any raw light around?

Worst case scenario we get 300 Mbits XF-AVC 8bit 4:2:2 on CFast, best case scenario we get 400 Mbits XF-AVC 10bit 4:2:2 on SD card.... in 1/2 year we will know. I'm quite sure that they don't have it yet out just to protect the C300 II and not piss the owners.

CFast is today the best compromise in speed, size, power consumption and price. In fact at least 3 camera manufacturers use/supports them: Arri, Blackmagic and Canon. Canon has 6 cameras with CFast support: C200, C300 II, C700, XC10, XC15 and 1Dx II. There are at least 4 manufacturer of CFast: Sandisk, Lexar, Transcend, Delking. Too me it looks like an healthy ecosystem. CFast is based on proven PC technology and are basically a mini SSD based on eSATA and use the same/similar NAND memory as most SSD. They are already available in 512 GB size and I'm sure we sill soon see 1TB ones view that they share the similar tech as SSDs. The cool thing that are very fast when connected to a PC so when I need a quick turnaround I can even edit directly from the CFast card. I much prefer a standard with an ecosystem that custom proprietary solutions also based around SSD like RED that are even more expensive or even DJI with Inspire 2. In theory every camera could have a eSATA connection/slot and use standard SSD but the power consumption and size would make difficult to use in camera like the 1Dx II, XC10/15 etc... even on a C200 would require it to be bigger in size, with M.2 would be a bit better but still require space. I agree CFast will not survive, like floppy, VHS, CD, Microdrive etc.... even today HD will probably be extinct at some point but CFast in the next few years it seems like a safe bet. In 5-6 years from now 512 GB would be a small size.... people have 256 GB thumb stick today... There are some new fast SD cards but they still are quite unreliable in maintaining sustained write speed and the camera needs to have an interface that really push that bitrate and they are still about 50% of the speed of CFast. At the end It all depends how good is the SD interface of the C200 and how much test Canon will/want to invest to be able to reliable save 300/400 Mbits XF-AVC directly on the SD slot. But I do agree it would be cool if they enable this.

I agree with you with you and as reference the Varicam35 AVC-Intra 444 in 4k is around 750 Mbits in 444 24p and 940 Mbits in 422 60p not that far away from the 1000 Mbits of the C200... the C200 uses a compressed raw of 1:3 to 1:5 so it is more manageable than uncompressed RAW. The workflow is all to be seen and probably at the beginning will not be on pair to ProRes but in bitrate is there where most high end cinema camera are in ProRes or AVC.... of course this doesn't mean you will get the same quality out of a C200 as from an Alexa or Varicam.

Many Alexa operators shoot in PoRes 4444 with a data rate of 1'100 Mbits per second in UHD or ca 600 Mbits in 3.2k. The other argument would be is it better ProRes 4444 or RAW Lite but your article is about GH5 vs. C200 and unfortunately both cannot do ProRes. Because they are a bit older cameras, wanna bet that the C300 III will have RAW Lite? If you call it speculation.... https://www.extremetech.com/computing/236260-samsung-plants-to-slash-ssd-prices-to-hard-drive-levels-by-2020 I have 3 256 GB Lexar CFast card so I'm aware of the cost and I wrote in my post that at the end is budget issue and not a technical one. It takes ca. 11 minutes to offload from my 256 CFast card to an SSD or RAID storage so you could work with 3 x 256 or 2 x 512 CFast..... Time will tell but just don't underestimate the storage and computational progress Again with this camera you will have 150 Mbits MP4 (will it be better or worst than GH5 at this data rate? who knows), with the firmware update 300 or 400 Mbits ALL-I and 1 Gbits RAW Lite... I don't really see where the problem is. But I'm sure if the quality in RAW is there and an optimized workflow similar to RED Raw or Cinema DNG will be in place and at the moment is all to be proven, many C200 will use RAW more and more in the years to come.

In your case then even the very agonized 400 Mbits will be too much..... you will have 100 Mbits LGOP MP4, 300 or 400 Mbits ALL-I (after the firmware) and 1 Gbits RAWLite not sure where the problem is, this camera would cover many scenarios...

I'm pretty sure that in Resolve it will be like it is for RED Raw or Cinema DNG so no need to transcode it.

I do not agree with the article and I believe this camera will bring RAW much more mainstream. 95% that will buy the C200 will use the MP4 seems very unrealistic, I bet most people that will buy this camera would use the RAW format a lot and RAW will become the mainstream like it is for photos for most photographer. Storage in 2 or 3 years would be cheaper and cheaper and there will be 8-10 TB SSD for 500-600 USD... I expect Resolve to be able to edit the Canon RAW lite soon and in real-time without any transcoding like it does for other RAW formats. Canon already states this so is just a mater of time. Btw at the beginning even the beloved GH5 format was an issue with most NLE. 1 Gbits it is a lot but I do a lot at 800 Mbits MJPG (that I edit in real-time without transcoding even from the CFast directly) and is perfectly manageable. Naturally if you are in long documentaries then maybe is not a camera for you but for the rest I bet it will be a super camera. I agree with the post above that when 1 year ago the 500 Mbits 1Dx II was labeled as insane and a year later everybody is eagerly awaiting the 400 Mbits GH5 firmware..... just fast forward one year and you will know that 1 GBits will not be that much of an issue. Again not sure what is the point to compare a GH5 with a C200 that does 4k 60 RAW with 15 stops DR with ND filters and a great AF on CFast (super fast download to a pc because are basically SSDs). Then I could pint out that the best workflow would be an iPhone as it does 4k and you can edit directly in iMovie on the phone itself and delivery directly to the web:-) no downloading or transcoding needed.... why people use Arri or Red instead of iPhone is beyond any rationale:-) I'm quite sure that the sensor is a new one from the C300 II or C700. Can you do amazing stuff with the GH5? Absolutely. Does it cost less that the C200? Absolutely. But if people would have the budget to buy the C200 + CFast cards I'm sure nobody would hesitate one second to pick the C200 instead of the GH5. At the end is a budget problem and not a technology issue. If the quality of the RAW is as good as I expect this camera will rival the much more expensive cinema camera out there and from canon it was not expected.....

On the same thinking you would say that the Alexa is the most useless camera because is not even 4k and iPhone is the best news camera, it can even live stream and it better AF than a GH5.... I think the C200 is not a camera for every task but if somebody wants high quality with high grading capability in a package that really works this is it. If I do only interviews or low cost weddings it is surely not the camera that I would buy but if I do advertisements, high value doc, etc... is imo a super device.

This thing does 4k 60p in RAW on non proprietary media, proxy on the SD, LUT monitoring, PDAF, ND Filters, XLR and a touchscreen that you can mount on a gimbal and it even includes the wifi for 7500 usd and people still complain...... They promise the XF-AVC for next year probably to not piss the C300 owners until a new version is announced. Curious to see the RAW video quality and how is the workflow in Resolve. Most probably they use something similar to RED with JPEG2000 compression on every frame.... so it should be editable in real-time on a good PC.

What kind of software / hw are you using for editing? In Resolve basically any quad core i7 with a gtx 1050 and up is able to edit in real-time the MJPEG even at 4k 60fps. I even tested on a Dell XPS Notebook i7 7700HQ, GTX 1050 4 GB Vram, 16 GB Ram, SSD and it is fast enough for real-time editing, scrubbing is super fast and you can even do some real-time grading.

The AF on the 1Dx II is really good, this is a test video for a project I will do for in August... don't look at the exposure issues because it was a 1h test mostly to see how to combine a DJI P4p and the 1Dx II. There are some scenes at speed on the skates filmed at 24 at 1.4 on the Ronin M using AF and it keeps up quite well... Filmed with both cameras at 4k but there are quite a bit of moments that I'm digitally zooming at 2x. 120 is at 1080p but is a bit on the soft side so probably is around 720p real resolution... comparing 4k 60fps to 1080p 120fps is really day and night but for short scenes I tend to use it quite a bit when I know that 60fps would not be enough...

We have done comparative tests with Resolve between a desktop i7 6800 6 cores with a GTX 1070 8 GB Vram and a 15 inch 2.3 Kg gaming notebook 4 cores i7 7700HQ with a GTX 1070 8 GB Vram both equipped with an M.2 SSD and the difference is not that much basically in order of a few fps. The new NVidia GTX 1070/80 for notebooks are not that much slower than the desktop counterpart just google to see various benchmark, it is not like the old Mobile versions. I'm a lot on the road and having everything with me and being able to edit and grade quickly is very important, naturally at the desk with a great 4k monitor is better but no need to move hdd, cables, sync software settings etc.. Also being able to do changes in an efficient way at customer side is also quite valuable in the way I work. Considering that a gaming notebook is not that much more expensive than a desktop counterpart for Windows / Resolve user is not a too bad option. The notebook has a 512 M.2 and I have added an internal 2TB SDD so no need of external enclosure etc.. once in the office I backup and archive on an external raid system. Buying both a desktop and a powerful enough notebook is also quite expensive and without a good GPU Resolve is really bad in perf. Also if need to deliver something at customer side and you need to render 4k in resolve with less than 4 GB vram good luck.. Naturally if you are editing or grading multicam 4k or Raw or 8k then a powerful dual cpu and gpu workstation is another story but also price range. Also if you always edit grade in your studio then a powerful desktop is the best option. The good news that there are solution for every type of work today either desktop, notebook or egpu....

It has proxy generation and workflow support... it is called optimize media. In V14 they have finally add the possibility to link back to the optimize media in case you move stuff around. There is also something called proxy mode that allow you to output on the screen at 1/2 or 1/4 resolution for preview where you don't need to regenerate the file, it is good in case you have an edit friendly codec but your machine is too slow to preview it at full resolution especially while grading.

On Windows with many gaming notebooks available with either a GTX 1070 or 1080 that have basically the same perf as the desktop counterpart card an eGPU doesn't make too much sense. If you buy a notebook is for the portability so these new gaming notebooks allow you to edit on the road with no issue at all. I have a ASUS 15'' i7 7700HQ with a GTX 1070 with 8 GB Vram and I can do real-time editing and grading on a 4k timeline is Resolve.

On a Win10 gaming notebook i7 7700HQ, GTX 1070 8 GB Vram, 16 GB ram, in Resolve v14b I can do real time edit and quite a bit of grading nodes in real-time on 4k timeline with 1Dx II 4k 4:2:2 MJPEG files at 60fps. I did test h264 files with the new v14b, especially Phantom 4 Pro files.... 4k UHD up to 30 fps perf is quite good, 4k DCI or 4k > 30 fps is not usable without reverting to optimize media. Anyway a big improvements over v12 where h264 4k editing was just impossible with optimize media. Correct and btw the new Stabilizer seems to finally work well. I did a few test with scenes that I could not really stabilize with the old v12.5 stabilizer and the new one seems to do the job. It is also more intuitive how it works. The beta is still quite a bit buggy but a lot of key improvements...as a longtime Resolve user I'm pretty excited about this release.

The Kodak is in the same ball back as the Nikon and Samsung basically a consumer quality camera that is far away from what professional work would require. Significantly better is a bold statement that I really do see and it has even more issues with stitching due to the cameras being more far apart. It is also cumbersome not being an integrated device but two separate ones with two cards two batteries..... Here a test between these cameras: http://360rumors.blogspot.com/2016/11/4k-360-video-camera-shootout-samsung.html Anyway it was a first good approach but it is at end of life, in fact Kodak has created a new model that removes the biggest flaw of the one that you recommend creating a single device with dual cameras like the samsung and nikon: https://kodakpixpro.com/Americas/cameras/vrcamera/orbit3604k/ But again all these consumers "dual" camera are not that great so I would spend less than possible for example 200 USD for the Samsung and experiment and once mastered the challenges of 360 video move up to a more professional rig. Samsung needs a Samsung phone to remotely control it but you can use it even without a phone as I do because it has a menu system in the camera. Nikon is more compatible with many phones but it has a challenging wificonnection and is more expensive. Also the Nikon does the stitching in the camera that has the advantage of convenience but you loose the flexibility to use 3 party software for better stich. Quality wise are very similar. I have a Samsung my colleague a Nikon. Apparently Samsung is about to update their 360 camera in the next month but at the moment is a rumors. For better quality you would need a 6 cameras rig that creates a 8k video and then have an 8k delivery platform. 4k for 360 video is not enough because you see only part of the sphere and you are zoomed in. Insta360 has created Pro 8K 360 around 3k usd that sounds like a possible step up but we need to see how it perform in real life.... http://www.insta360.com/product/insta360-pro/

I agree with the previous two post. Basically you have the Samsung gear 360 and the Nikon KeyMission 360 as consumers and easy to use solution. You can create okish quality content that can still generate the wow effect if the subject/story is great but technically the result is far away from pro quality that we are used on video today. The potential is there but is just too early at this price point (200-500 USD). I have and use quite a bit the Samsung 360 and for the price is good for learning and producing some experiment. Next is the Gopro OMNI that produce better quality video but there is a much more work in the process. Cost around 5k USD Then Nokia Ozo that is probably today the best quality but is very expensive at 45k USD First thing to do IMO is to grab a google cardboard and look at many YouTube 360 videos available done with these cameras to get an idea. You need a phone with a great screen and remember to set the quality of the YouTube video to 4k before putting it in to the cardboard. Normally it defaults to a lower resolution. This is a good one to start watching (cardboard required to get a real feeling of the potential of 360 videos) this one was done with 6 Gopro's similar to the Gopro OMNI rig:

Some lenses are nosier than other for example I have no problem with the 24 1.4 and the 50 1.2 with the 1dx II and the rode videomic pro directly on the hotshoe. But the easiest solution is to buy a small arm for the hotshoe and move up and further in front the mic and problem solved. Personally I would not buy STM lenses just for this.

https://***URL not allowed***/canon-1d-x-mark-ii-vs-canon-1d-c-which-one-shoots-better-video/ https://***URL not allowed***/rolling-shutter-sony-a7s-vs-arri-amira-canon-c300-5d-mark-iii-1dc-panasonic-gh4/ Basically 14ms for the 1Dx II and 25ms for the 1Dc

Can you prove me that other than the s35 mode the 1dc is sharper and superior? Also the 1dx ii has much less rolling shutter....