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You are right that is far from a scientific test, especially when they do not publish the AF settings that they are using. Btw the use case of people facing away is something that improved a lot with the latest firmware the video was made before the new fw. The stabilization test is a wired one either you mount both cameras on the same bracket or is not really scientific.... is even a different framing..... As I said multiple times the Z9 seems a really good camera, so it make sense to learn and test both cameras before investing.

Yes, it has mymenu. You can also assign a button to change the S&F framerate quicky, but it does not work for me as I normally go from 8k RAW to 4k 120 10bit and back.

I think best for you is to rent a R5c for a day and try the hell out it. For me when I do video 9 out of 10 times I pick the R5c as A cam and eventually the R5 as B cam. If you plan to use quite a bit 4k 100/120 the R5c is noticeable sharper than the R5, can also record audio (separately on the SD) but does not have Face AF in 100/120 fps. I try not to use the R5 in 100/120 as the quality is not too great and the editing is a pain due to h265 10bit 4:2:2, R5c XAVC so much faster. One recent R5c 4k 120 fps segment. Don't look at the motion cadence as it was shoot at 1/2000, F2.8. It was a test for a lens and I did not have an ND filter for that lens diameter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AjNP0MdwXs Fro anything slow motion R5c wins hands down with 8k and 4k 60p and better quality 4k 120...

@Django I feel that by the time you decide the R5 II and maybe even the R5c II will be available 😃 Maybe a used R5 when the new model will be announced is not a bad idea.

You are the one confused that has no idea why a gopro or insta360 or DJI Osmo have a much more effective image stabilization than Sony (including Catalyst) Nikon, Canon, etc. Is called physic and the longer the lens the bigger the shake will be amplified, it will have more motion blur, much bigger delta between same pixel and more rolling shutter effect due to sensor size, and the result is not comparable. So please don’t call me confused when you have zero explanation why…. Btw I wrote software in the past for images alignment so I kind of know how eis algorithms works

It is the sensor size that dictates the lens length in mm for the same FOV. Let's assume you need the same framing so the same FOV of ~150°, Gopro needs a ~2.9mm lens, APSC ~9.5mm lens, FF ~15mm lens. FF 15mm will have more shake and blur than 2.9mm. It is not the only reason but it also a key aspect why 360 cameras have even better stabilization than Gopros. Insta360 X3 has a FF 6.7mm equivalent where Gopro is FF 12mm equivalent. Now if you take in consideration that Gopro is 12mm FF equivalent, rarely you will film with a FF at 12mm but more > 24mm this challenge is even bigger. Also the smaller the sensor size the less rolling shutter issue tends to have (assuming similar tech), as an example Gopro has a rs of 1/240 in video mode that is twice as fast as the fastest "consumer" FF camera A7s III at 1/120... I'm sure EIS could do better that the current status especially if you would allow much bigger crop, use really high shutter speed and have faster sensors but for the moment it cannot compete with Gopro size sensors.

https://docs.gyroflow.xyz/app/getting-started/common-filming-tips-and-issues

Is physics just try with your ASPC or FF camera disable IS whatever, move the camera with a 15mm and then with a 150mm you will see how much more movement, EIS would need much bigger crop, blur will be much more between frames and larger sensor (in general) will have more rolling shutter issue that also affect the software stabilizing. Gopro lens is like 2.9mm not 15mm.... so the movement between frames is not that severe to start with and will have way less motion blur although to work well still need high shutter speed.

Render it in 4k, youtube will compress less. Try it yourself, upload at 1080 and at 4k the same 1080 video and you will see.

Gopro, uses a tiny sensor with extremely short lens and very high shutter speed. The movement magnification of a FF with a 35mm compared to a Gopro is just a complete other order of magnitude. Unfortunately any digital stabilization requires a high shutter speed to be more effective, put a ND on a Gopro and 1/50 and the great stabilization is gone.... In my experience, and I posted multiple times, any lens above 70mm that has IS for video performs better on the R5c than R5 (in my case 70-200, 100-500) and I do a lot of handled, of course I'm not walking or running, for this you need a gimbal. Below 35mm on the R5 you will get wobble effect especially if you walk or pan rather fast. So a R5c with an IS lens wins here. IBIS is very useful from 35 to 70mm on non IS lens. I use quite a bit a 28-70 2.0 that does not have IS and I tend to use it handled on the R5 or on Gimbal on the R5c (there is really no contest against a gimbal if you walk.... gimbal wins by huge margin). I did test but I never use Digital IS, I prefer to stabilize in post in Resolve if needed. I also shoot mostly in RAW so Digital IS is not available. Would be cool if Canon would embed the gyro data so we could do digital IS in post, but if you look at Sony catalyst or Gyroflow both requires high shutter speed to be effective. Probably for @Django the question would be how well it compares R5+IBIS+RF 24-70 vs R5C + RF 27-70, handheld both static and walking. Unfortunately I don't have an RF 24-70.... but once I should try with the RF 35 1.8 IS to see...

With IBIS up to 30/35mm the wobble is an issue and you cannot fix in post, with no IBIS but with lens IS you can always add more stabilization in post. Remember you cannot disable IBIS and keep lens IS on on canon body….

100% the same other than the fan and the TC port. Never had any issue so far with both R5 and R5c. I much prefer the R5(c) size than R3 or 1Dx series that i used to own. Not sure I will go back to a 1 series size… but you never know.

Currently I would say yes Z8 is probably the best hybrid in the market but for sure but not gonna switch to Nikon and then switch to Sony and then back to Cannon 🙂 Imo the more rational path is you invest in either Sony or Canon ecosystem and stick with it, some years you will have the "best" camera and some years not but you save a lot of money in not switching back and forth and you develop a lot of automatisms too. Nikon has some really cool unique lenses and Z9 and Z8 at the moment are the best in class imo, but there is no cinema ecosystem and not yet good budget friendly hybrid cameras... so at the moment if you want to grow or downsize is more tricky than Sony or Canon. Canon has the advantage to share the mount with RED and a no brainer EF support, Sony is much more open to third parties lenses.

As I shot 90% RAW (25,50) and 10% xfavc 4k 120 ….it is still THE issue for me, no 8k 50 with grip and forced to use the usb port. A dummy dtap battery with the right voltage or a new grip would solve the isse but nobody offere these…. I don’t mind using a small vmount battery but the usb port is a real pita….

Is not a cripple hammer is a big oversight as afaik no C camera has this not even the C500…

A big nope and this together with the battery is the biggest complain that I have with this great camera. You can also only save ONE settings file to the SD so you cannot use that neither... why o why not being able to give at least a name... I switch a lot from 8K 50 RAW to 4k S&F 120 XFAVC and is a pain.... on the R5 I have two C mode one for 8K 25 and one for 4k 120 much more practical

Is pulled as there is a bug in photo mode, if you use custom modes c1 c2 etc camera think to be in pixel shift mode and creates huge jpgs. I expect that is a quick fix.

Why not simply crop in post? I normally do it this way when people requests vertical video.

Indeed, I rarely use the same grade for video and photo, for the best photos I normally export 16bit tiffs from Resolve and edit in ACR.

4k imo is a bit the bar minimum as it gives you almost zero cropping space. I agree that 6k is probably the sweet spot with 8k giving you more possible tight composition and vertical reframe. RAW gives you a bit more flexibility mostly due to white balance but is not imo a key requirement as 10bit log you can definitely process more that .jpg. So 10bit is somewhere in between RAW and jpg... When I shoot 8k I always do it in RAW LT as is much faster to edit and scrub in Resolve that h265 4:2:2 10bit.... At events I take my gaming notebook and edit directly from the CFexpress... for the photo I show the frames to the athlete and I ask which he/she wants and then I edit.

As several people have mentioned here any gopro with wifi enabled, usb powered and using your phone ... you can even record if you see something interesting. Or any cheap wifi surveillance camera that does not require a plan/cloud.... 20-30$ but the quality is quite bad...

I tested quite extensively over the weekend, let’s start with the good: “Enables to detect heads facing sideways or backwards, or in situations such as when wearing a helmet” This one is not perfect but really good and for the type of filming that I do it makes a difference, first it does not lose the head when moving away but more important it works with helmets. These in the past I would have to stop down to 5.6 to keep the face in focus, now with the face tracking with helmet I can shoot at 2.8. Screen grab, this one was almost impossible before as the focus would have been on the horse head instead of her. this one before it would have simply lose the focus “Improves switching time between Video/Photo mode” This one is much faster now, was not a big issue for me but now it should not be an issue for most people. “Enables to change WFM size” and “Enables to change WFM/Vector scope opacity”. This is very practical, especially on the tiny screen. Just tap the WFM and it becomes bigger, tap it again goes smaller. Now the not so good: Face/Helmet does not work on S&F mode so no 100/120 fps face tracking…. R5 can… “Adds Power Saving Mode” this comes with some limitations so only 4k XAVC, but works 24 to 60fps…. and indeed it extends quite a bit the battery. So seems all good but the implementation is a bit cumbersome as you can turn it on only when all settings matches and if you want to let say go to S&F mode 120 you cannot you need first to disable it…. T his camera needs absolutely customs shooting modes it would make all of this so easier to go from 8K RAW 24, to XAVC save mode 24 to then XAV S&F 120 and so on…. You need to change many menu items that is insane…. For example, for this scene I wanted to quickly change to 120fps for a few seconds and then back to 24 and with power saving you cannot do it quickly.... Overall not much to complain Canon added quite a few of very useful features. I hope they will further improve the camera. My wishes for the next one are customs shooting modes and face tracking in S&F 120, even better if you could select the area of the frame where face tracking is active similar to the R3.

A couple where the motion blur makes them more interesting. 24fps 1/50.

It depends on the scene, sometime it works well and sometime not but you can also get decent result by adding motion blur in post, here two example from this Saturday (8k RAW 60fps F2.8, 1/2000): motion blur in Resolve Btw you here you also see a bit the rolling shutter that at 15ms is not fast enough for pans to avoid making the pillars leaning... This from yesterday 4k 24fps 1/50 F2.8 you cannot really take a picture out. You can always try to add motion blur in post but you cannot remove it. This I filmed with the 180 rule as we did not care about taking photos out.

Yeah right S1 video AF for sports…. maybe instead of complaining about the thread you could post some of yours sports frame grabs 😉