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We must have a pretty different definition of what filmic looks like I guess. I don't relate sharp with Filmic much at all. I see it as sort of hazy, shallow DoF, sort of noisy looking, on the darker side, kind of unexpected effects, even slo mo which I hate, muted, paler colors, on and on. Pretty much the opposite of a Smartphone. Average people must really like that because that is what is in every phone made. Super sharp, high saturation colors that jump off the screen. If your smartphone pictures and video aren't sharp you need a newer phone. My phones are that way, and to be honest for the stuff I would shoot with a phone I like it that way. Look at the new DJI Osmo Pocket. Makes the GoPro look dull sharpness wise. People will love it, right up their alley. And I don't think phones just give passable results. I think they give Way better results than the vast majority of people EVER got out of their DSLR's, and a lot of their P&S., and Tons better video than the old clunky video cameras ever had. Sure at night they sort of suck, but most high end Cine cameras are not so hot even today. It is only the last few years this Dual ISO thing has taken off, and they are in very few hands even now. Even a Arri Alexa is pretty bad in low light. Sure we on average don't like that highly processed look. But we are less than 1% of the whole world. And I will admit, I take the vast majority of videos on my phone, and photos on it, and I have it set to auto and away I go. The people that I show it to, mostly family, have no clue what filmic is and don't care. They want to see sharp in focus stuff that has realistic colors. And a Smartphone gives that to me and them in Spades. I think my Smartphone shots are pretty sharp. And for DR there again most people have no clue what that even is and I really don't myself look at the output of my phone and say Wow the DR sucks, it looks terrible. I think phones, cameras have gotten to the point that a lot of this stuff is good enough that it just looks more than good enough right out of camera. Tech has really jumped forward in the last 5 years, and for the average person, even enthusiasts it is probably good enough on the vast majority of shots.

Yeah a newer Lada is not much of a status symbol. But at least you can afford to get it repaired, unlike some of the high end Bimmers. I could not afford one if someone gave me one.

I am afraid Vimeo will probably go belly up. A lot of my videos are not able to be seen by the public because I have dropped my subscription. I only sort of pay for it when I want to upload Videos LoL.YouTube doesn't really do that. Once it is there it is there as far as I know. I honestly don't upload to them what little I do upload.

Oh I am sure a lot of us would, but the average person buying one, nah. Just like the PK4, how many will ever shoot Raw, even the BRaw if it ever comes out. I don't see why a person on here would even bother buying one of they didn't want to take advantage of the 10bit a reasonable amount of time. No need for everything to be shot in it for sure.. But we represent a damn small percentage of people that will ever buy one. A heck of a lot of people will never even shoot video on one, just photos..

Given the choice I would spend a TON more money on a great Tripod than a monopod. You can extend the legs on a Tripod and keep it folded up and act like a monopod. There is no way in hell I am taking my hands off of a monopod, feet or not with 3000 dollars of gear on it or more. So total shakelss footage is sort of out of the question on one. You really need both, You could rotate the fluid heard between them to save money. I hang nearly 10 pounds of weight off the bottom of a tripod as a given. You can never be steady enough for video. Now if you have a 20 pound camera rig or more you may not need that.

Somehow I can't visualize too many Nikon shooters having an External recorder hanging off one to be honest. ?

If "normal" people liked Cine stuff every camera would have that look. That look is rare as hell even in a Cine camera. It doesn't just pop out of the camera, any camera. Average people like video that is bleeding edge sharp and the manufacturers make all of the consumer ones that way. They go to Disney World or to their sons football game to get sharp as hell shots. 98% of all the photos in the world anymore are taken on a Smartphone, and I would bet one hell of a high percentage of video is taken on one, and I doubt many of them are Cinematic, Filmic. Most movies in the world are now seen on a LCD TV not in movie theaters. And most are in 720p and the detail, compression on them pretty much sucks from the cable provider, let alone all the crap that is added, or worse subtracted in the actual TV to knock down what quantity that is left.. So the recognize good aesthetics thing is sort of a thing of the past also. I am afraid the "cheap my nephew put together" is more the norm now sad to say. Film is dead in more ways than one these days. Most young people don't know what it even is, and don't even care. Most new films that are out are fast action stuff, shot digitally, with 2/3 the movie VFX on steroids, with the volume set to 12. There is so much going on in these new movies you don't even have time to actually look at the camera aesthetics, you are memorized by the all that is happening. It is sensory overload more than anything now. It's a shame really, great movies are becoming a thing of the past that are really special. They are all becoming cookie cutter Marvel Comic book stuff that is mostly computer generated with no real regard to a Cine, Filmic look. Just a lot of flashing lights with fight scenes, humans versus the machines. That is somewhat believable. True rating of even the Arri Alexa is 14 to 14 1/2, 15 tops. So no consumer, prosumer camera is really going to be as high as an Arri. It has all been exaggerated a bit for years.

They seem to me to be a disaster waiting to happen. I have mono pods, but not one with a fluid head on one.

cheap Benro > than cheap Manfrotto. Yeah neither company is something to write home to mother about for Quality Control. I have no clue why these company's can't pick up the pace on how the hell they build their stuff. Both have good ideas, and piss poor assembly procedures.

I think you are crazy LoL. Hell 99.6% of the people in the world have no clue what Cine, or Filmic even means camera wise. And probably 90% of them Never it take off of Auto or Program mode. There is really not that many crazy Bastards like us in the world.

Casey Neistat Sort of review of it. A few tweeks and this thing has some serious potential.

Speaking of a CIne look. Interesting article from Tom Cruise and director Christopher McQuarrie. https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/04/motion-interpolation-tom-cruise-hdtv-4k/?yptr=yahoo

Yeah but not everyone that buys a video camera is looking for a Cine Look. YouTube, Docs, sports, even interviews, music videos want sharp as heck stuff. Cine stuff in in the minority for the amount of people that buy these price range of cameras. They would all be out of business if they looked like most of us on here like. Are you really going to take videos of your kids when they are young that look like a 8mm film? You want sharp.

Yeah but some cameras do make a pretty big difference on the ease of the output. The Canon C100 is one example of that in using say Wide DR or a Sony F3.. That is pretty good right out of camera. Heck of a lot easier than having a Canon 5D mk III using ML. And they are pretty much the same money. Sure if you are talented as heck doing coloring, yeah any camera can probably get the job done, but how many people are great at that aspect.

Yeah this thing is looking to be hard to pass up, especially with a new firmware in the works like Dave said.

You are not going to get C100 sharp output from it, especially 1080p.

I mean they are tempting don't get me wrong. They can get the job done and in a lovely way. @CaptainHook on here did this video using his LuT using one. It is beautiful.. I would not dismiss one for a great price. But it is hard to pass up a PK4 over one now in this day and age. No they last less time than the Production 4K! About 30 to 40 minutes. But they are cheap and replaceable. And you can power it external just like the Production 4K one can be. No Cine camera battery last very long unless it is some battery the size of your fist or bigger, and weighs 5 pounds LoL. Pushing 4k 60p internal take s a Lot of horsepower as they say. And they most all have a fan running in them just like the PK4 to do it. That takes power. So unless they come out with a Nuclear Powered one they are going to eat batteries left and right. ?

They have fixed those problems but I don't think they are worth having for 700 dollars, which Adorama has a few used ones for, over the PK4. They suck at low light, the batteries don't last over an hour and they go bad over time. Then you have to take the body apart to replace it, on and on. If you don't have a copy of Studio Resolve then just go buy the PK4 and be happy. The production cameras are just too old now to be honest for money near the price of the new stuff..

I think he is talking about used a BMCC, especially the EF version of it. Once used PK4's start appearing I am sure that will happen. I can see 800 dollar used PK4's without the Resolve Dongle.

Yeah but the electronic gimbal flying look gets old as hell quick also. I guess moderation is the key either handheld or on a gimbal.

I am not really surprised. It took me years and years of shooting photos to come to the conclusion that the average person could give a rats ass of the pictures I took of trees, bridges, railroad tracks, mountains on and on. They wanted to see pictures of people, even of people they didn't know. Now if people were in the above photos I stated they were happy and spent time Really looking at it, or commenting on it. Just a lone beautiful tree in a picturesque setting with no person in it hell it got passed to the next person about as fast as you can push it LoL..

Yeah I still think if a person is not in a hurry on what they have to shoot the original BMPCC, even the BMCC cameras are hard to beat. I am sort of surprised that the BMCC cameras are as much as they are now that the PK4 is out though. Probably go down once you can actually buy a PK4 without being on the pre order thingy.

BMCC 4K or a upscaled BMPCC

If the story is worth a crap you will not notice Anything camera wise unless it is so dark you can't see the story. 99% of the people in the world don't even know what RS is.

I can't imagine a PK4 doing so good handheld, hmm interesting.