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Read the comments. They are better than the article. It is more hype than truth even on IR's part.

Well Like has been said Everybody on here is right. It is what their needs are at the time. And what they are secure using or not using. I just always have wanted to advance as tech advances. it has made our lives better, at least in the short run in all aspects of life. So I am embracing anything that makes taking, making video easier. YMMV. And at my age my eye, my hands aren't what they used to be. SO I need all the help I can get. ?

Those are pretty damn amazing. WTF. I have gotten some pretty good stuff with the A7s also. Doesn't take as many MP as some people think.

Touche. ?

Probably isn't going to happen sad to say if you want it to be consistent. Crazy as it seems it is about the only Safe option. There is a thread about 6, 8 months ago on it. Some had some luck with cheaper ones, but not many on average.

Your are the one that started this goofy ass thread. Not me LoL.

You are not going to win this fight on this thread.Hell am 71 years old, you act like you are F ing 101. What you suggest is just old hat. Get with the god damn show. We are tired of the Oh it is like this or it is shit stuff. Who gives a rats ass if it it a bit out of focus, you see perfect all the time, who cares if it is jumpy at times, you fly like a Gimbal when you walk? I sure as hell don't. So goofy stuff in reality looks like real life. What a Lovely concept. Hey is isn't perfect. Who cares. We aren't making the 10 Commandments movie over again. Perfection sucks, ain't no fun at all. You are preaching to the wrong Choir as they say one here. 95% of the people on here don't make a dime doing this stuff here. It is a Hobby, for fun, family, memories. Most are not sweating bullets if it is not perfect. Sure maybe you are. I have not even opened my camera cases in 2 months. Big deal. I have a life to live that comes above it right now.

I think you have been using your Red to long. Sony Face detect, Canon DPAF, Olympus IBIS is all pretty amazingly good most of the time and it is getting better by the week, not by the year.. And nothing you are going to do manually is ever going to work right all the time either. If that was the case one take and we all go home. The trend, whether you like it or not is to Not be tied to a Tripod or a Monopod. I find slider shots to be nauseating as hell anymore. Sort of like all these Drone shots. Looks hokey as hell. Been there done that stuff. Locked off shots, gee only been about 50 million of them. I want to see old as I am new content, stuff that looks like it looks to me walking, running, well I don't do that anymore, but I want to see stuff as real life not always the way it was. Because the way it was was because there was no AF, No IBIS. Lot of Was's there, is that is word? You get my point. This is 2018 not 1998. Why not take advantage of tech. It makes stuff newer, more modern even if in the long run it might suck, at least the hell it looks different than the same old tired predictable stuff.

And I always find it pretty crazy that just about anyone will let you take a picture of them with a Cellphone. That is one reason they are so popular. Hey and guess what it works. IBIS, OIS or what ever it is and AF.

It won't be that is the point. And you are not going to do it by hand either by yourself on any thing that moves faster than a turtle with any consistency. There is going to be a Lot of people buying this PK4 that have never owned or used a CIne camera, or even owned a Mirrorless camera in their life. It is not only us on here that is going to buy the thing. And there is going to be a ton of ugly ass shots and unhappy people using it. So I am not blaming BMD for it not having AF or IBIS, hell they are giving it away the way it is. But I think most buyers are not going to end up happy campers in the short run, maybe long run because it doesn't have AF and IBIS..It is an odd duck camera for a few people willing to put up with it's shortcoming in this day and age compared to the competition. And yeah the Fuji X-T3 is stiff competition. It's not a Cine camera per say but it is a pretty damn serious machine none the less that fits more people's needs than a PK4 that is for sure. You can do stuff with jst about anything. I have owned at least 8 different View Cameras of all sizes. And they are about as basic as you can get. No AF or IBIS on those babies. But they are a bitch to not screw up something at the wrong time. As simple as they are they a complex as hell. But yeah they produce some outputs that are just breathtaking. They are sort of like this PK4, looks easy but it is not.

Ever heard of this new fangled thing called a Speedboster? I never said a lens like that would AF. I said crazy people will be using a lens like that on a camera with No Continuous AF.

Those cameras are pretty useless without a crew at your side. The average person is not going to do 15 takes to get a shot. This site is mostly for people that are not rich or even super skilled to be honest. I never grew up with this AF or IBIS. But a person has to be crazy not to utilize it at times. So buying a camera that you know you are going to have to buy a pretty expensive Gimbal because of it's size, weight because it has no IBIS, and having no continuous AF and using 0.95 lenses seems sort of crazy to me. So yeah I think on average people are going to find out the PK4 at times is pretty useless to get the footage they want. I have owned CIne cameras, ENG cameras, and they, unless you are skilled as hell, and they are big cameras that are easier to balance compared to a PK4, it is going to be a bitch to get good stuff out of it unless you throw some pretty good money into it, or have it on sticks and have talented actors that can hit a mark. This stuff is hard enough to do with every tool in the book let alone a camera that is basic as hell. Heck yes you can make a full blown feature movie with it, but you will bust your ass to make it happen, and have to have extra tools to help it along. And that All costs money, lots of it. You would have to live in a dreamworld to think you are just going to take this thing out of the box and make killer shit with it buck naked.

Hell even the Canon C700 has DPAF and face detection. Times are changing even for Cine cameras..

Probably one of those Pro Mist filters would knock down the video look. Impressive camera for sure. Seems to be a great travel camera for sure. They have a winner no doubt. Way better option than the PK4 for most people. But the PK4 is a great learning tool if you want to get serious about CIne stuff just like the original one was, is.. Both cameras pretty amazing for the cost.

Nice, lens envy. I seem to Never have the money when a cheaper used one comes up.

Oh I am on that also. And I will try harder to like you. You made some good, valid points. ?

It is not about being a Pro, it is about making money. You can blow all the shit you want. I haven't heard a damn thing you have Ever posted on here that amounts to a hill of beans. I could care less about your opinion. That probably IS the reason they won't let you on DVXuser.com. Oh I am on there by the way. Have a nice day. Oh I don't even own a Panasonic camera or a lens of theirs. Or a BM product. No dog in the fight.

Really shows off what Raw can do with the PK4.

Great footage by the way. They are an amazing camera no doubt. I am sure in the right hands the PK4 can be also.

There is a reason it is Half the price. It has Half the the features of a GH5, GH5s. I bet, even on here, half the people that buy a PK4 will have it for sale in the Sub Section in less than 3 months. You are going to have 3 thousand dollars or more tied up in one to make it really work. Right out of the box it is pretty useless for a modern camera today. And don't give me the ProRes crap. I can buy a 200 dollar Ninja Star and get ProRes on any camera that has a clean HDMI out.. I bet most people on here had the BMPCC at one time and got rid of it. Sure it was a fabulous camera output wise. But it was a Total pain in the ass to use. And the PK4 is not going to be much different. How many people Still have a BMPCC on here. Damn few I bet, and if they do have it they use it less and less. Hey no doubt it is going to have great output if you are good at getting it and can grade well. But that is not going to be a speed demon at doing it. I just find it would work for me, but I just don't see it fitting into most peoples workflow. More of a toy to be honest for most. But nothing wrong with that. I would imagine we all have plenty of toys among us.

No it isn't the same, the PK4 has a HELL of a crop. What you going to buy a 4mm lens to shot with it at wide angle? It is pretty much useless for wide angle stuff. Wide angle is in, at least this month LoL. I think it really is Only usable up to 100fps which isn't bad, but the GH5s does 192 with no crop. Big difference if you are into super slo mo. And if you are trying to make money to do this you may be asked to do slo mo from hell.

And in what situation do you plan to be able to do that making money? Taking video of flowers in your back yard on a tripod? With no continuous AF you aren't do Doc, Corporate interview stuff, no fast moving stuff. Not unless you have a 7mm lens set to infinity at f16 and everyone looks like little piss ants LoL. You are looking at ONE pretty piss poor video comparison. Hardly definitive evidence.

Oh I can't deny that. But if a person is trying to made money at doing this stuff I don't see how anyone can buy a PK4 over a GH5, GH5s. The PK4 is just going to be too damn slow, clunky, fussy to use on paid gigs. And you sure as Hell are not taking pictures on the PK4.

Looks pretty good to me. And this is Twice as fast as the PK4 can even do.