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But I respect your opinions on here, I know you go to a lot of work on sensors for our information. We are probably, maybe each half right. That way it makes us even. Heck, I don't know, but we are lucky to have what we have. All I know is what I have experienced over a lot of years and a lot of research myself. But I am no engineer.

I think you are ass backwards. Normal cameras are in the dark ages and Smartphones are far into the future compared to a normal camera. Hell you can buy a 10 year old Canon and can't tell it from a new one. I bet your wife gets overall better footage and quicker with her cell phone than you do with your GH5. If spending 2 hours in a NLE is worth it to you versus her having it in an instant well don't know what to tell you. This is 2022 not 2012. All the newest phones have moved the needle way up. If you are comparing the Phones to a Red Komodo well sure, to a GH5 come on. That is not some amazing camera output wise.

Not counting owning a Sony A7s and a A7s mk II, and a A7 mk II, and a A7r, and a A7r mk II. I think I might have a little insight on how all of them worked. YMMV.

That article is pure bullshit. I would not trust DPR to tell me how to change a battery in a camera. If you base your knowledge on that article well I don't know what to say. I base it on being in this business for over 40 years and having done a lot of things in it and with it.

First Digital camera I ever owned was a Sony Mavica and I think they were a 1/2mp. It was pretty damn good believe it or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Mavica#/media/File:Sony_Mavica_FD5_4040.jpg

Most 1080p Cine cameras, the Sony F3, Canon C100, Panny Af100, etc. only had sensors of say 3.5mp or less. It is pretty amazing how little you need for video.

I say you are wrong. Lower resolution cameras have less cumulative read noise due to fewer pixels. If there are fewer pixels they are collecting more light than a equal sized high pixel one. If not true you would never have the same light gathering, so no equal ISO or aperture to say a A7r. They would have completely widely different base ISOs. And read noise is created in the Amp also. So it is not a sensor only problem, main reason the higher the ISO, ergo the more you turn up the Amp, the more read noise.

https://www.dxomark.com/sony-a7s-preview-a-low-resolution-marvel-for-low-light-video/#:~:text=With less pixels on the,more light than traditional cameras”. I think you are thinking the photo side that the DPR article stated not the video side. The A7s Does have less pixels that are bigger. Your math is all wrong. The less the MP count the bigger the pixels have to be to fill the space.

I think AI and computational math are sort of changing our idea of Physics. Smartphones are punching way above their size in this day and age. If they get really good zoom lenses to work on smartphones I think it might really even the playing field. To me that is the limitation as of now. Sure, it can apply to a FF camera also but I bet the gains would be less.

Yeah, I had a A7s and a A7s mk II. I liked them a lot. The ability to be able to shoot in low light, night scenes opening up opportunities that other cameras can't accomplish. It adds a whole new area your abilities, you are not just limited to daylight stuff. The original A7s color output is a bit wonky compared to today, but it does have a unique character to it. I li ked it. And now with the Enhance thingy in Lightroom, Photoshop you can make smaller 12mp files pretty huge. Even BM Resolve has an enhance thing for video in it that works well also. And the original A7s camera is just tiny for a FF camera with a small lens on it. I had an original A7r and it was damn near impossible to get a sharp image without using a tripod. But also was a neat camera.

Or have larger pixels for light gathering such as the Sony A7s series.

Andrew your tweet is sort of going against what you are defending. That is what I don't like about the patent, it stifles people's choices. I think it is Way too broad. https://twitter.com/EOSHD/status/1533123090552594433/photo/1

You can't make a blanket statement about MP. If you are shooting wildlife you need all the MP you can get. If you are shooting for social media you need very little MP. There is no one camera that does it all. Ergo you are not going to buy a Smartphone to shoot wildlife, and not going to buy a 100mp Fuji MF to shoot social media stuff. And 12mp is really not enough for photography in this day and age.

I am retired so I have more time than sense, but what about people that aren't retired? 😬

Eh, spend half our life on here maybe?

What you start harming all of mankind I think the patent system needs overhauled. Sure, maybe when tech moved at a snail's pace it wasn't so invasive, now that stuff is moving at light speed, bottlenecks effect one heck of a lot of people and ideals. I think Red's patents were more of a heck, lets screw everyone more than just helping out themselves to some advantage for several years down the road. Ergo I think it was more of a malicious thing, carefully thought out than a protection of an original idea. Corporations are un feeling beings, but they are also run by some pretty uncaring bastards also. Making huge amounts of money is rarely run by grandmothers with babies bouncing on their knee. The pursuit of money is a pretty god damn ruthless business.

Do you have any real idea how few people are stupid enough to do what we do lol. Probably less than 1% of of a 1/0th of a percent, or like 800 people maybe, probably more but who is counting.. Most people have a real life.

Right now, for 99% of the people in the world Apple already makes a better camera than camera manufacturers do.

I am not talking Cine cameras I am talking about consumer ones. Sure Super 35 is here to stay forever I would think.

I will probably be dead by then LoL.

I just really don't see any advantage to APSC cameras anymore. MFT I can see for birding, sports stuff. FF cameras have gotten so cheap I see no use for the sensor size now. A Sony A7 body is just as small, and their mirrorless lenses are amazingly small and light for FF.

I will leave you alone and not comment. I will just ignore this thread, thank god.

Pretty much all the camera you really ever need. Amazing how little we really have gained in 10 years to be honest. I think it lacks nothing for the average person.

Maybe just Maybe they didn't think to throw everyone under the bus with a patent. Back then everyone played fairly nice. it only took Red to f us for I guess the rest of our lives. Hardly something to brag about.

You can downvote me all day, just proves how ignorant you really are.