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This is his cost statement. "BUDGET: Top of my budget is around $1800ish and that would get me a c100, or if I sold my 80d, could be a stretch to get the mk2, but I feel 1 extra job will pay for the rest." He is not going to bring Anything new to the table from what he already has with a C100, no matter the model. In this day and age a C100 is an antique. And with 1800 bucks he Ain't buying no (FS5/FS7/LS300/UMP/etc).

From Blackmagic website, data is in MB/s. Philippe Maurice on Facebook supplied it in this format I guess.

Well stated. I don't see enough real gain over the 80D, 6D mk II either to be honest. They both have DPAF, flippy screens, and 60p touch to focus. What is even the C100 mk II bringing to the table other than ND filters, and a bit sharper output? And he is not going to need the ND filters for what I see he is shooting.

I don't know about the Sony A7 mk III,but there has been a hack out for years to get rid of the 30 minute thingy on Sony cameras. My A7s will record for as long as there is space on a SD card. And that can be for hours and hours of run time. And A7 series cameras don't really over heat. They fixed that with firmware. The A7s never did overheat. Yeah not having 60p on the original C100 is a bummer no doubt. Cheapest C100 mk II on ebay today is 2700 bucks. Main reason I have not done the old Buy it Now.

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Well with his 1800 dollar budget he would be in business then. And I agree OOC footage is hard to beat.

I have seen a lot of tests on the old "web o roonie" that show there is really not much to gain by using ProRes over the internal Codec. For what is on paper, a pretty crappy Codec, it does amazingly well. Now if he Has to submit broadcast quality, ergo 50mbps or better, yeah no choice. And sure the mk II is a better choice, but they are 2500 dollars or more, but not bad for a real Cine camera to be honest. But still an awkward camera to use on a Ronin S, and then you are getting into some pretty big money. But nobody said Video was cheap. Hey they are nice cameras, but there has just been too many gains for the average person to still consider one. Sure he doesn't Need 4K, but what if one of his clients Demands it? And they will down the road, if not now. It is just too limiting. I have went back and forth on buying one myself, and I just can't push the "Buy it Now button" on one. I just don't think older Cine cameras are that good in this day and age for any kind of mobile usage. And they are a total pain in the ass to setup and take down. And stealth they Ain't. They take bigger Tripods, bigger, better Fluid Heads, bigger bags to carry them, on and on. It all adds up money wise. But you Do look Pro, and that alone can be a reason to go that route. Yeah and the OP has the lenses to make a nice kit with it other than some MF primes. Thing that scares me is he wants to shoot "lots of performances on stage (2-3 camera shoots) including small theater (10), larger theater shows (4), and about 8 musical Performances. So it’s a HUGE variety of shooting and I’m a one man band". I would not call a original C100 a low light beast for indoor stuff. Sure he has some fast EFS lenses but you can't shoot wide open and hope to have crap in focus shooting back from the peanut gallery.

It's a 2 trick pony.

He can Adapt all of his Canon lenses to it. Canon is sort of proving to be a sinking ship on the video front also. Not my idea of something I want to sink tons of money into down the road. And not one lens he has is really great at any sort of MF. All fly by wire stuff. I mean most of us are in the same boat, but to Have to depend on AF, well I don't know about that. You can't adopt much of anything to the C100. You can put Anything on the A7 mk III. Sony Sells a gizmo that goes on the hot shoe that does XLR's.

Oh they have a great look no doubt. But the viewfinder, LCD, first gen DPAF, it, well it is just old and outdated. It is like the PMW F3, AF100, sure they are, well were great cameras at the time but their time is gone now, with heck mirrorless cameras that are 500% better overall. I know he has a ton of Canon lenses but what can't the Sony A7 mk III do, and he can adapt all them on a Metabones SB I would guess, and 50 things more than the C100 other than built in ND filters. How often do you really have to use them. And they sell variable ones, or singles if you do need them. This is 2018. We have new stuff with IBIS and great AF that fit in your coat pocket. Why buy some clunky big outdated cameras for the same or more money. I don't see the reasoning. Heck this new Nikon may be ground breaking. Same with the new Canon ones. It just seems like a step backward in a day of magical cameras we never dreamed of. The OP to seems to need a camera that is the jack of all trades. And the Sony A7 mk III is that camera. Now if he wants it to look pro get a rig from hell for it LoL.

They are Not dirt cheap here anymore for some reason with the DPAF. They run 1800 dollars or more. You can buy a brand new one from B&H for 1999 dollars. Stupid. I am not too sure an original one is worth 2 grand. Not with the GH5, GH5s and the Sony A7 mk III the same money or less. Heck you have the Fuji, Olympus EM1 mk II, on and on. This new Nikon, nah.

Just wait. We have no clue what Canon will bring out, but they Will bring out something. Might be gimped, might be great. DPAF in the C100 cameras are not like say a 80D. The C100 is in a small box and you can't move it on the original, The C100 mkII it is still in a small box, but you can move that box around with the touch screen. So we are not talking like the whole sensor is covered with AF points like a lot of newer cameras are now. It is kind of limiting.

Holly Cow LoL.

Yeah but Good AF has really only come out in the last generation or two of cameras, which most people can't afford. The first gen DPAF Canon has was not something to write home to mother about.

It looks big on the D5, it will be humongous looking on the new mirrorless.

Yeah but i am afraid, and I really hope I am wrong, but Canon just seems to be as of late, as well no matter what we throw out there the Fans will gobble it up hook line and sinker. I think they think they Can't loose. But I think it is make or break time for both Canon and Nikon on this jump to Mirrorless. And it looks like Nikon may be taking it a hell of a lot more serious than Canon. No they are not going to put Canon out of business LoL, but they may just get some people to jump from Canon to Nikon, I think a lot really hate Sony enough to never go their way, but they might go to Nikon. But now No company can afford to loose customers to the Enemy as they say, not in this day and age.

Yeah but some of those problems can be alleviated buy choosing the right lens. I know it is not cheap to do it but heck that is why Cine lens kits have lenses that are crazy close to each other. 18mm, 21mm, 24mm, 28,mm, on and on both ends. One wide angle lens ain't getting it for interviews unless it is a repeat. And with better Sensors now we really don't have to shoot wide open as much these days. I think some pre though on stuff can help lower the OH MY GOD things from happening as often.. But sure a camera with DPAF isn't the worse thing but I have seen some shit footage from them, and that is really unexceptionable if I was a Client. You have to have the right lens using the right F stop or it is a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't know. This trend for AF is, well is is just so stressful to be honest. You can Never be really sure if it worked until you load it onto a pretty damn big monitor. Or it is something you repeat often. I have Never been on a movie set but from what I gather most of the stuff a focus puller is doing you could Never do with AF. Crash zooms, whip pans, Vertigo stuff, on and on. I can see why there is a hell of a lot of wide angle Cine lenses. You just get close enough and focus on one thing and, well it works, or set infinity pull back and things are so far away it works. But I do watch a hell of a lot of shorts and equipment reviews and Run n Gun seems to be the thing in them, and hell not a heck of a lot of it IS in focus. Sure we are not talking Gone with the Wind footage they are going for, but damn it is distracting as hell along with exposure jumping all over the place, WB not keeping up, etc., etc.. Plus with most Codecs on cheaper cameras, 5 grand or less cheap, the codec can't keep up with the movement on pans and such. That sucks even more. It just makes for a damn sloppy trend to be honest. I really don't think AF is ever going to be perfect enough, Maybe eye focus, and trying to do all this stuff on the go is impossible to MF it also. No good option to be honest other than back on sticks, locked down. And to be honest we have been there done that. So a bit stale as they say. Hmm.

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"from across the ditch" Funny stuff!

You are very right to state that.

OR just buy a REALLY wide angle lens and leave it on F8, set to infinity, and have a Big stick with a nail in it to beat people that get closer than, eh say 8 feet from the camera, especially if this guy is close!!!

What you think Zoom Just started making Audio stuff. Young people! Founded1983 (35 years ago) Your silly. They are probably older than you are! I used their stuff when you probably weren't even born. I know what good stuff was and is. Nagra was THE thing to have back in the day and they still are. But for Mere people Tascam and Zoom was THE thing to buy. But when I did my ENG thing the sound man had a old Nagra that looked like it was from WWII. And it still worked like it did when it was new. Probably be the noisiest thing you ever heard in today's world. Sure for the money they are good. And so is Rode one of their their competitors for the money. Not everyone Needs a https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029959-REG/nagra_7032001_vi_eight_channel_digital_audio.html But is is 8 times the price of the top F series Zoom for a reason. And that reason is not what 97% of us on here need. Just like the Rode works for a lot of people. It is inexpensive, but gets the job done for what most people need.

I will go back to this video again. I talked to the guy that shot it and he used a BMPCC, Metabones SB, Sigma Art 18-35mm, a couple of lights, and a Smoke Machine. Now if you can make a better looking short than that for less money camera wise, they are going for 475 bucks now, eh I don't know how. And I would imagine this new BM PK4 will be able to do it, and even add more goodies to it. I would wait to see what it looks like. Might just be the ticket you are looking for. Just might be the camera that a hell of a lot of us are looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4toxtDfZP4

I am not too sure if Canon is even IN the camera business anymore for what little is leaked out anymore. I don't even see a lot of talk about Patents anymore from them? Letting Nikon steal all this thunder early is not my idea of a good thing for Canon. I would at least pull a Blackmagic thing and announce something 9 months ahead. If the 5d mk IV, 6D mk II and the M50 is the best they can do, well...