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Yeah DPR is a little bit weak on video stuff. Having those two on there will be a big boost to it.

Those 2 models, the Shogun Inferno and Sumo 19 are the Only two I have heard of having it also.

I agree with completely with you, and in this day and age of super wide angle lenses, which have NEVER been available before for Any price, how much of a big deal is AF on them at say F 5.6? How can you not be in focus?

Glenn in 2 or 3 more versions of Smartphones it won't make a crap. 4K is 4K. It just depends mostly on the lens in this day and age. And that gap is closing fast on cell phones. How many people are ever going to go to a real movie theater down the road? Nobody. The future is unimaginable. And it sure as hell is not going to involve a DSLR, even a Mirrorless.

If you have been in this business for years than we are Dinosaurs. New comers are going to hand our asses to us.

This is 2018, not 2010. Times are changing fast as hell. I can damn near shoot a full fledged 4K movie on a iPhone 10 in this day and age! A wiz kid in this time frame can hand my ass, your ass to you if they want.

If you are trying to break into this industry, or make a living doing it, you sure as hell better have a camera that is broadcast 4k ready. Good 1080p is a thing of the past, not down the road I am not saying your footage may be down sampled to 1080p, but you better have a better master than that to submit.

When you are specifying 4K 10 bit 4:2:2 delivery you have narrowed down the field to what is even remotely affordable to very few cameras. And I can understand the requirement. Broadcast Capable. You have not stated a budget, but it looks to me the GH5, GH5s is the only player in the field other than a few BM offerings. Not the worse choice by far overall.

Yeah I agree, this thread has gotten WAY off track.

Not to post this to defend Jon, I have no real clue what he is in reality. But I made a pretty damn good living doing model portfolios for models years ago. Most, if not all, were pretty damn young. Some as young as 14. That young I took my wife with me! But young women act pretty silly at times because they are young an inexperienced. Sometimes that brings the best out of them, and sometimes it seems well, stupid. This was doing photo shoots with them. I think doing video would be even harder to keep rolling and expect them to look and act mature as hell all the time. So I am willing to cut him some slack. But I can see why it comes off looking "dirty old mannish" at times. But to keep posting that on here is I think probably is not the wisest thing to do. Time and place as they say. I have been to Vietnam and I know the women there look young as hell even when they are not because they are small and petite. There are some very beautiful women that live there.

Well at my age of 71 nothing as of now. Just mostly a Hobby.

I am sure they Could do it, but with this new 4K BMPCC and the Sony A7 mk III at the prices they are it would be even more risky now. We don't know if the next GH6 will come out cheaper because of it than the GH5. Will it force Canon, Nikon to really change the price now of their new Mirrorless stuff. I think both of these recent announcements have to effect the market pricing pretty big time going forward. I think even Sony has put themselves in a tight box with the A7 mk III pricing. Is a better EVF and better LCD worth 1000 bucks more? Is the A9 worth 4 grand now new? They now have 4 FF cameras fighting for the same market in a sense now. Is the A9 worth twice the price of the A7 mk III now. Doubt it. To a Pro it is, but how many are they going to sell to them? And now with Fuji picking up the pace in video with the X-H1, which I am sure Samsung could beat specs wise, but still the market is not as forgiving as it was a few years ago. I don't see how you can sell a APSC camera now for even 2 grand, let alone m4/3 cameras at that price. I just don't see an opening for Samsung in any market, APSC, FF or less. The mirrorless camera market soon is going to be packed with all kind and brands of bodies. It is going to get really ugly soon. And it appears Blackmagic and Sony are willing to just about give their stuff away to grab and keep market share. And it also shows how little money is needed to make one of these cameras and still make money doing it. Unless Samsung has some total groundbreaking camera like the 4K BMPCC in a APSC size I think it would be suicide.

Well there is no doubt it is pretty awesome for what little money you have to spend to get into the system. And I am sure X amount of people on here has had a body laying around for years. Plus a cheap way to be able to get into ML Raw and learn how to use and edit it. Sounds like a Win, Win to me. Cheap thrills.

Why do you keep trying to talk people into buying it, or even liking it. I don't want one, never did. Hell of a lot of others didn't either. And if you think beating a 5 year old Canon 5D mk III is a win I don't know what to say. And Just because Andrew got your hopes up, sorry, they ain't coming back. They are not going to make an ass of themselves twice.

I Think I like the Video better than the Photo side of it. Well it is not my metric. It must have been Samsung's Metric to pull it.

I would imagine that the GH5 is more appropriate for most people on here than a 4K BMPCC. For me no. But I have all the time in the day to shit around with it. For the money I don't see how you can beat one unless you just have to have FF. Only real turd is low light on it. But there is tons of fast Cine lenses out now.

Out of likes. Cool Beans.

I think what is crazy is a lot of Smartphones seem to have a "look good" setting right out of the box. Even with Photos. Isn't no wonder they sell a ton of them.

Man all of those are a bit too Gnarly for my liking. Like I have said before on here. That is how stuff looked years ago, and we dreamed to be able to shot it like it is now! Crazy.

Hell they could give me the 4K player I couldn't afford the Media LoL. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?cp=1&searchType=search&_dyncharset=UTF-8&ks=960&sc=Global&list=y&usc=All Categories&type=page&id=pcat17071&iht=n&seeAll=&browsedCategory=pcmcat748301751785&st=pcmcat748301751785_categoryid%24cat02015&qp=format_facet%3DFormat~4K Ultra HD^format_facet%3DFormat~4K Ultra HD Blu-ray&sp=-currentprice skuidsaas

I never heard about it. And I kind of looked at a decent amount of info on the GH5s. Was considering getting one till this new BM jumped up! For half the price and end up with a Studio edition of Resolve. I can't turn that down. But I think for the "normal" user the GH5s is probably the way to go. Add a Gimbal, and a SB and you are Golden. I think a Gimbal is easier to use than IBIS . Gimbal works one handed on a camera that small. Holding a camera with two hands walking just seems wonky to me. Running maybe yeah. On the BM no AF is sort of a bummer, no Anamorphic on top of it, etc., etc.. The BM is more of a Indie camera, the GH5s an all arounder. Jack of all trades.

Gee what is the right price now for anything since the 4k BMPCC has been announced and the Sony A7 mk III?

There is nothing wrong with that review. NX1 was not the second coming of Jesus Christ in every aspect. The DR and RS on it did suck in Video. My Sony A7s juat about as bad for RS. But a hell of a lot more A7s's sold than NX1's. But both somehow take decent video. Cinema5D has tested all the latest video cameras for DR and none of them are what the manufacturer states in reality. It is like people piss a bitch about DXO ratings. Hell ever camera is tested the very same way. How can there be any bias. You might not like the outcome, but nobody likes to see the real truth no matter what camera it is. They have some damn talented people on that site. I trust them for video results a hell of a lot more than most sites.

Well it doesn't matter, because only the people on here must have liked it because it went tits up. I always thought it was too much over the top colors, saturation wise. Olympus like. But yeah video wise it was pretty damn impressive. Still is. DR ain't everything.

Canon has used a Lot of Sony sensors in their Point n Shoots. I think They Need to use the new Sony m4/3 sensor. It would be a killer combo. The XC15 body would be perfect using it. ProRes Raw in it, constant aperture lens in it. Hell it would put a dent in the 4k BMPCC and the GH5s. Heck I might even buy it! I know @mercer would.