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Maybe a lot less, than not have banding at all, you can get banding on about any camera if you screw up exposure big time in bright areas, but a real improvement. People don't pay for cameras that cost 10's of thousands to get 10 bit or higher, 4.4.4, Raw, etc. if there is no gain to be seen. Every bit, a pun, helps.

I believe the reason is that there is twice as many colors in 4.2.2

So are going to stay with the Sony A7s or go up to a A7r mk II, or a A7s mkII if you sell your m4/3 stuff?

I think it will be too big for a Streadicam. And no you will Never get shallow DoF with such a small sensor. And no clue what those numbers mean about ISO?

Yikes, too many cuts for my liking. But I like his grading..

You say funny thing,s I guess I will also.

Well I guess if you are Really good at exposure, proper lighting, not shooting into the sun, etc, 8 bit works. It has somehow worked for many years, But in a professional venue they have every base covered. Better cameras, great cameramen, great audio, great lighting, great graders, great editors, great actors, on and on. So it is hard for the average person to compete with the Pros, but now I think the gap has been closed a Lot. But you are not going to do Green Screen, VFX effects in 8 bit very well. But I think we beat ourselves up too much anymore on output quality. I am not saying to not try as hard as possible to achieve it, but at the cost of always being in debt, worrying about it all the time Bah I say. Look back how bad 8mm cameras were, super8 even. Nobody said damn that sucked. They were happy to see what had been shot, not complaining about the quality. And I would imagine most of the people that watch videos have no clue what 90% of the problems we piss and moan about even exist. I would say the most important thing that drives me crazy is poor Audio, not poor video, in a short or a long. And other than one person on here, we rarely ever even talk about that subject.

You forget I said it was also funny, and since you like to play the clown role, you ought to be elated!

Thanks, you have confined my suspicions. Yeah I get to use a lot of Legal Drugs since I am old now. Yeah and I Do like to laugh at funny people. Your up there at the top. I enjoy your ehh stories.

It has a 2/3" sensor in it so yeah it would be a odd duck thing to figure out the effective lens size. I did see some crazy mention of EF mount something you can use on it. I can't wrap my head around using a PL lens with a 2/3" sensor but it would DEFINITELY produce a big enough image circle for the sensor! I am sure some crazy person will come up with an adapter to do it. Probably is one out already. If you are rich well there is this one! https://cvp.com/product/arri_amira_pl_b4_lens_adapt

Well if you use real B4 lenses they are, on average, Really fast F stop wise, and most are a constant aperture. So that would help in the low light department. Now if you get one with the 2x doubler on one engaged it will add 2 stops. And with that small of sensor you have DoF out the butt even pretty much wide open. Man I just love B4 lenses. Like I have said, they make Leica lenses look like crap. But they ought to for what they cost new! Best I can find for MAYBE ISO's are, On the URSA Broadcast -6dB is 200ISO, 0dB is 400ISO, 6dB is 800ISO and 12dB is 1600ISO. So base looks to be 400 ISO, and maybe 800 ISO Might be OK since it goes to 1600 ISO, if true. I am sure 1600 ISO will be gnarly LoL. But it might work out in B&W footage. Free grain insert LoL. But 800 ISO using say a f 1.7, f 1.8 lens is not too bad. Pretty common f rating on the older B4 lenses. It is not going to be a Sony A7s from BM.

I don't know. I really don't know that much about it. I have no camera, monitor, or TV that can shoot or see it . Now my Cell Phones can see it, but I Ain't looking at a 3 hour movie on one at my age LoL. Now I did watch that Frank the Sheep cartoon thingy short, and it was, well, F ing great on my phone! The Laundromat thing. You Have got to be a Heavy Drug User LoL. Funny stuff, crazy, but funny stuff.

Yeah Magic Lateran Raw, best HD image = Canon 5D III.

There is Only one camera that is m4/3 can focus it and that is an Olympus EM1. But I guess you would be right it is a hair faster on the big end. EF lenses on m4/3 pretty much suck focus wise. Not counting they are big ass ugly things. Unless it is a Pure Cine lens I am not buying anything other than Native lenses for m4/3. Maybe a Tilt Shift lens IF I Had to have one. Why not a Panny 35-100 f2.8, or hell a 4/3 Olympus Zuiko Digital 35-100mm f/2. Either one of them would be pretty nice. A EF lens, you must be hanging around Mercer too much.

Are you sure you can even Get a "Cinematic" look with HLG??

I think the middle section I liked the best. But I don't know, hard to look "Cinematic" in 4k to me. Things look too sharp even not trying to. You using VLog or what?

From, I don't want to post his name. He sort of got banned not long after this post for selling stuff that sort of ehh. But it has some interesting info in it. Report post Posted January 21, 2016 Lets make a list for FF lovers. I am one. It's a GORGEOUS look for beauty shooting and epic modern narrative work. (Keeping it under 5000$ish bracket) First we have to classify them into two: -Full frame size sensor camera -Mirrorless S35 camera can take Metabones Speedbooster EF converter 1- Full frame cameras -Sony A7s and A7sII -Sony A7rII -Canon 5D MKIII (ML) -Nikon D750 and D810 -Canon 1DC (1.25x crop) 2- S35 mirrorless cameras -Sony A6000 + SB -Sony A5100 + SB -Sony A7rII (explanation later!) + SB 1- First the FF cameras. Sony: The A7s series have a 12 megapixel FF sensor, with 1:1 native 4K crop and easy 1080p downsample A7rII has a 42 megapixel sensor, so has to o a lot of pixel-binning/line-skipping to reach 4K or HD. In S35 mode, it uses a 15mp portion of the sensor and thus easily makes a 4K downsample. What does that mean: A7s has an extremely clean non-binned FF image (HD on the A7s and 4K on the A7sII) A7rII has worse binned slightly aliased FF image (4K&HD), BUT has a very clean s35 cop mode (4K), That's the reason the A7rII is included in the second s35 SB segment, because you treat it as a s35 4K camera + SB and get a very clean EF-mount FF camera. How does an A7rII + SB-EF image compare to A7SII FF + dummy EF mount using sme lens? Pretty close. A7sII having an advantage in super high ISOs, and has S-Log3 mode + can get the FF look with e-mount or any lenses not just the mounts that come with a SB. Conclusion, best Sony in A7 series for FF shooting is A7s/A7sII. But A7rII can shoot a bit compromised FF too if one needs its 42mp stills. Canon: 5D MKIII (raw) has a 21mp sensor that does a very clean HD binning-downsample, reserving resoution similar to A7s HD (pretty sharp HD), The advantage with the 5D is that it's a 14bit uncompressed raw colour data vs heavily compressd 8bit 4:2:0 with hugely better colour appeal and thickness in the image. It's an overally better FF HD than the A7 series can achieve EXCEPT: it's not as clean at high ISOs. Doesn't have an EVF (need a loup), bigger/heavier files and a fixed LCD. But has a better UI, buttons, menus, video aids, ruggedness etc. 1DC: while not a FFF (full full-frame) i's pretty close in aesthetic to FF (just 1.25x crop). Vs the 5D it has higher resolution 4K, smaller files that are still not very compressed, C-log gamma encoding and a leaner/sharper 1.2x HD HDMI output. It's also fully resistant to the world. The 5D still has thicker colours, better kin and gradients at HD raw. Plus smaller and lower cost. Nikon: D810 and D750 both have a solid FF HD image. Slightly lower resolution than a7s/5D HD but very close and with post sharpening pretty similar. Ther's no alisaing/moire, much less rolling shutter than a7s/1DC FF, pretty colours straight off the card that need minimal grading and still yet remarkeably small files and solid high ISO performce. Great ergonomics/buttons/UI/speed. Compared to a7s it loses the EVF (need a loup), ISO performance and 4K capability, ability to adapt to all glass (but gets a more solid/ronomic ody, better/easier colours, large lens lineup with VR/AF native). The D750 is the best no-fuss FF aesthetic camera on the list. No haking/raw data, no Davinci grading wars/overheating/rolling shutter), just easy good enough FF HD. Solid. D810 loses tilty screen and adds 36mp stills and slightly stronger body and a good non-aliased s35 mode. 2- S35 Cameras with SB -The A7rII S35 4K + SB has een discussed earlier. -A6000 is the main contender here: if you want the cheapest best FF video camera, A6000 + EF-SB is that. It has a good 1080p image (good resolution), an EVF, small size, and with FF EF/Nikon/m42 glass it's a FF HD camera. Yes not as high of IQ as the higher-end models especially in ISO perormnce (a7s) or Colour (5D), but it's a lot cheaper and offers that good clean, FF HD image at lowest cost. -A5100 is even cheaper with no EVF recap Q&A -Only need HD FF looking for absolute best image and can handle any downsides? 5DIII -Need 4K FF looking for absolute best image and can handle any downsides? 1DC -Only need HD image and don't want to deal with many downsides (loup/raw data/size) and still get a pretty good similar-ish results to the best (5D raw)? A7s original if you value EVF and amazing high ISO and 4K HDMI, D750 if you value easily graded colours/ergonomics/battery life/stills/rolling shutter/ruggedness -Need 4K image and don't want to deal with many downsides (loup/1dccost/largefiles/size) and still get a pretty good similar-ish results to the best (1DC)? A7sII. (A7rII + SB only if 42mp stills are needed) -Only need HD FF and don't want to pay a lot? A6000 + EF-SB Quote

Yeah that makes sense. Thanks.

I would think the Speedbooster when it goes back to FF would make it appear Larger not smaller? What ever lens you have is going to have a Wider FOV in FF compared to the crop mode.

I have no clue LoL, I will try and find the video. I guess it is still in the s35 mode so it doesn't know it is actually shooting FF?? The smaller the sensor area the faster it can read it.

I know the Rolling shutter is better, but what is interesting is Philip Bloom put a Speedbootster on the A7r mk II in the s35 crop mode, and that pushed it back up to FF, and the Rolling shutter was almost gone. And the Overheating issue is Way better than the A6500. About the resolution in s35 mode. No clue what the A6500 is in APSC . But below is the info on the A7 mk II. "The camera also offers a cropped Super 35mm mode, while still capturing a higher-resolution 5168 x 2912 (5K) frame and condensing it into the 8MP-equivalent 4K video size." From Imaging Resource. I am pretty sure AF is a Lot better. When it came out they touted it could focus a Canon lens on it faster than a Canon body can! ISO wins by a ton, A6500 tops out at 51,600, A7r mk II is 50 - 102,400 Dynamic Range, it wins by a mile in FF, s35 crop I have no clue what it is? I mean these is really no way you can compare the 2. I know the 1080p is better on the A7r mk II also. The A7r mk II until the new mk III just came out was about the best camera in the world for stills and video. Christ it is a beast compared to a A6300!!

Do you realize that this is the fastest 100-400mm lens in the world by a bunch??

Oh imagine my surprise that this is ending up another piece of crap, half assed camera from Canon. Drink the Cool Aide boys. From DPR, "it's a 1.6x crop from a 1.6x crop sensor, meaning a 2.56x crop relative to full frame." Jesus Christ LoL. And you thought a BMPCC was bad!

I don't know if this has been shown? https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-images-panasonic-50-200mm-lens-leaked/#disqus_thread

Speaking of VFX. https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/24/black-panther-vfx-models/