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I would bet the farm that Blackmagic will be the one that will bring 8k out that people could actually afford to buy. You still have to remember how young of a company BM is, and now they have a lot of their camera products that are great right now and have been. And they can not be beat on their electronic products for the money. If you can't still make a great movie on a BMPCC you need to give it up LoL. Probably one of the best video cameras ever made for a cine look, and it is cheap as hell.

Well I will let Andrew defend Andrew. I come on DPR everyday. Have for years. But the big thing I am into now and made a living at it for a few years, is Video stuff since great stuff is available to the masses now. I like Barney, seems ok, but I don't care how much you brag about DPR they suck ass skills wise, experience wise, on the Video aspect of it. And Video features on cameras are exploding right now. It might be the only thing that saves a few company's ass from going bankrupt if they integrate it well in their products. And here you have a website, granted a popular one, by no means up to speed on video history, specs skills, etc. At least when Andrew jumped in there he knew his ass from a hole in the ground about what he was talking about...Video, yeah the thing that will save DPR's ass in the long run like it or not. So now that he is "Banned" you guys look like a bunch of clueless want to be's on there. There has to be a person in one of the forums that knows more about video than the people you have reviewing the cameras, which I will give them credit they are good at that aspect. Don't come on here and act like you know shit. I am sure you do not with your grade school tirade. This is not kinder garden on here, there is some scary good talent on here. Not people that are a little skilled at it. A lot are Pros. Hire someone on there who knows shit, not just talks shit. Video is not learned in 2 weeks, 2 years, it takes time and a lot of skill to do it well, and it takes tons of all of it to be able to review shit without looking like a idiot doing it.

Yikes internet "Road Rage" about to happen!

Screen turned in toward body is probably not a good idea, but I am really susprised it happend on a DSLR body size.

Yeah there is a reason a measly BMPCC is still in great demand. Grudge wins at times with overall resolution. Hell BMPCC raw files are bad enough, can't imagine 8k red file storage! But if someone wants to give me the Red for Christmas!!

Wow the music fits that video to a Tee. Love it. Great stuf!

I have a 14x Fujinon I only paid $50.00 for.

Luminous Landscapes tends to lean towards Medium Format cameras, and I can see why, but since they do they have a reasonable amount of video reviews with the people that are the CEO's of those company's I see no real way you can really pin them down and say this sucks or that sucks and expect them to ever come back LoL. I guess you have to be sort of a Whore, like it or not, to get a lot of hits and make a ton of money doing it. I think DPR has grown too big to be able to be really "fair". Too many cooks in the kitchen thingy. But they used to do some crazy long reviews which was good, now they seem to be 40% of what they used to do these days. And yes, Andrew did add a lot to the video side of things. They really don't have anyone on there that is great with the video part of it. Barney seems to be trying, but not a lot of past experience. SO not bad, not great.

It is a very slippery slope for sure. I see why they do it, ergo for the money, but no way they can really call a Spade a Spade without blow back form the people that "Pay the Bills". Canon has dragged their feet for years on worthy upgrades and most sites see them as the second coming of Jesus Christ. Sure they make great stuff if you want to wait 5 years for a upgrade, a half ass one at that. These Chinese company's are going to start handing Canon's, Nikon's asses to them soon you watch. Nikon is just about in the grave as far as I can see. I know they will come out with a lot of new stuff next year, but it will be small upgrades to the same old stuff. That is not cutting it in this day and age anymore. They need a lot of home runs, and a lot of it video wise to survive. I don't see it happening. This is not your fathers camera company stuff anymore. Fast paced world we live in now. Innovate quick or die nowadays. These 4k cameras we would kill for today will be old news 4 years from now, and we will want the sort of older 8k stuff we really can't afford then also LoL. Never ends.

Yeah that is a Fujinon ENG 2/3" f1.8 19x 8.7-165mm lens with a 2x built in doubler in it. They are refered to as a B4 lens. And it does cover a M4/3 sensor with the doubler engaged. So you end up on a M4/3 camera with figuring in the 2x doubler on the lens and the 2x crop factor of M/4/3 lenses, it is about a constant F3.6 parafocal 35.7mm- 660mm. And I payed $150.00 for it. So they a pretty impossible to beat. That lens cost over $10,000.00 when it was new 20 years ago! And they have a built in zoom servo on them, and has Macro focusing too boot!

A bit clearer! iPhone picture not in the best of circumstances.

Ahh now I see. I have the same problem I am facing with my Panasonic G7 rig. I am going to buy a Zacuto Half Cage, with their handle. Big bucks to buy, but beats dropping my rig. Blury picture and all!

Ahh what does a lens have to do with a hot shoe?? Lens mount maybe, hot shoe?

I used to spend hours at a time on DPR, now I only spend minutes a day unless it is some article about something I might want to buy. I spend NO time just browsing or talking on the forums. It is a cesspool of stupid putdowns and "Oh he must be a Troll " responses anymore. They have REALLY went downhill as of late. Total waste of time now.

I agree. The grading is just to die for in those shots. That is what we all strive to get, as least I do. Well done!

I am not too sure noise has that much of an effect with less or more color. It is just harder to see it for the noise! 8bit is limited to so many colors, and 10bit has a ton more colors. Sure both will be noisy if the sensor sucks, but there is still a LOT more data to deal with for 10bit compared to 8bit. The noise floor is lots lower now with modern sensors that unless you are pushing ISO way up on small sensors, having a fast lens solves even those problems a lot, and you are allowed to add lighting!

I really think buying a used Red now that they are 5k or less, maybe the real way to go and sort of have a camera that will work, no excuses, for 3,4,5 or more years. They can flat out get the job done, other than really low light. And output in Raw with some killer footage to boot. Not making them work is the camera operators fault, not the cameras fault. Probably the best camera anyone can afford if you are sort of serious about making it happen for years to come. They are a workhorse, built to last camera. And you have no one to blame but yourself if it does not work. No need to upgrade etc.. They are that good, even the original Red One. MX is the way to go, but... Yeah but they have a passive lens mount which sort of sucks compared to the Pocket, internal battery also. But the 2k part of them is very tempting. You are right, they are a bargin for what they can output.

I found this chart about Red cameras that might be interesting to people buying the older models. http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?70447-Differences-between-Scarlet-Red-One-and-Epic-Tech-Specs-Side-by-Side-Chart

I agree. The audience doesn't know if it was shot on a 8mm film camera or a Arri Alexa. And I doubt they would care if they knew. The story is king not the camera in a short or movie. And it has only been lately that there even has been 10bit cameras to buy that any normal person can afford. I know no one wants to make a crappy movie looks wise, but in this day there are so many LuTs, editing programs, that I think you can make any camera look like any camera if you really want to. And if you expose right to start with there is plenty of meat even with 8bit to edit with. I find to me I am in a crazy period right now anyways. When I look at 1080p it looks like crap to me now, and the 4k stuff looks too good, to digital, too sterile. So here I go paying big bucks for a 4k camera to make it look like shit so it feels better to view LoL. I don't know what the answer is other than find another business, hobby! A cheap one at that!

Well martinmcgreal here is your answer right here, buy the damn thing Now. Hurry! Need to get it for little less, but I bet you can. https://www.facebook.com/groups/35666868707/permalink/10154835915523708/?sale_post_id=10154835915523708

I agree, no way you can beat a Sony F3 if you don't need 4k. Although not as good of Codec, the Canon C100 now, with its sub 2k cost is sort of tempting also especially with the DP AF upgrade in one. Great run and Gun camera also. 8bit out but..

LMAO.

It only has a USB docking port thingy available. 60 bucks for it.

I use this method I found on Resovle and I like the look. Covers up a Lot of mistakes! https://davidtorcivia.com/film-grain-and-davinci-resolve/