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@maxotics I see his point...But claiming "the proof is in the pudding" is simply NOT true. There is no proof for this claim in the real world. I own, shoot and like both systems. But I don't like myths and overrating of any technical device... Anders Petersen said once: "Photography offers a lot of opportunities. For me, the camera is like an entrance to the private lives of other people. And if you are curious like me, it is a fantastic tool." As filmers/photographers we could agree him...Nearly every camera is much more an opportunity than a problem - for every user and every need. DXO is a tekkie mess, more a gimmick than a useful benchmark for practical shooting. For most practitionners - simply useless. It's a great source for losing time and efforts... Buy / rent / borrow an D7500 and a NX500. Shoot them in almost any circumstance you need the camera for.Take a look at the photographs/footage, compare and conclude...And return the one you don't like...Ask advice from people owning and using them daily...But don't care about the "pixel peepers bilble" - and don't ask people reading reviews... Even Andrew said some weeks ago, DXOmark makes no sense...How does it now make sense?

Yes, I will get 17 years old next month.

@tdonovic Well, OK...Could you post some real world examples (photos AND video compared side by side. please) to prove your theory on IQ (--> QUOTE: "But clearly image quality doesn't matter as much as we all here think, the proof is in the pudding."). I would just like to see the "proof in the pudding" you mentionned...Nikon D500/D7500 vs. Samsung NX500/NX1. Just can't await to see the "proof in the pudding"... Oh, and please post real world, general/common usage examples for APSC users too: low light, gymnasium indoor sports arena shooting ("basketball / soccer moms" style), eventing, landscape, architecture, portraiture...As it seems you've tested this excessively, there would be no problem to just upload the clear "proofs" within minutes...

I prefer great primes too, for sure. BUT...Even for photography, I could carry 3 primes with me (14, 20, 24 1.8 - total weight about 4kg) to replace a very good wide zoom like the 15-30 or 14-24. And don't forget, for filming, the Sigmas don't have stabilization - not ideal for handheld Run & Gun. It's not easy to find a convenient compromise, when it comes to lens usage...

Yes, there is an outlay out there. I would prefer the spectacular Nikkor 14-24mm, but this one has no stabilisation. The optical difference between the Tamron and the Nikon wide zoom is NOT noticeable, excepting flare of the Tamron. Test it if you get it in your hands, you will be thrilled (from photographic point of view)... Yep...After excessively testing, I prefered to buy the Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC G2 over Nikons counterpart. First, i could NOT believe the reviews saying, it's better than the Nikkor and usually I prefer to use native lenses. But it is better....

@BTM_Pix Thank you so much for your tip! BTW: Are you experienced with 4k shooting with this lens? Your impressions? Thanks again...

The Tamron SP 15-30mm F/2.8 Di VC USD is an exceptional wide lens for photography. It's stabilized and so I'd like to buy it for shooting video mainly on a Nikon D500. Is someone out there personally experienced with this combination? Nikon 4K + this lens? I am a little bit in worry, the footage will get too sharp/with a "oversharpened look" (lens is in photography super, super sharp) and because of lens construction, I can't put a pro mist (or other filter) filter on it. Someone an idea how to solve this dilemma?

@Mattias Burling There is a lot of envy and hate today out there. Most pixel whores and armchair experts simply don't honor others people WORK. Filming / photographing is not only fun, it's some work too. And most people working quite hard (as many SERIOUS reviewers/filmers/photographers do) get rewarded: personal satisfaction, public appreciation, financial compensation, etc. Bored pixel peepers don't like others people success, because - in fact - they hate themselves for just hanging around and/or acting completely useless.... We don't have to agree with all the conclusions or methodology of every reviewer, but we should respect his/her efforts and work, considering that most of them offer us considerable informations FOR FREE...

Flushed of victory of digital cameras at the beginning of the new millenium, the leading camera manufacturers refused years ago to adapt and none of them could ever anticipate the smartphone revolution. Not even a mobile manufacturer like Nokia could know years ago, that they will be destroyed by smartphones. The smartphones are in some way a kind of electronic intifada, a complete demolition of the classical camera business. It might sound very strange, but the electronic industry completely destroyed the camera manufacturers. Now it's just a matter of time till drawing the curtain over some camera manufacturers. Factually, the camera business is dead...Most (not all) manufacturers can only survive by cross-subsidization of camera business through their successful divisions.

@noone What I mean is - as seen in the chart linked above - from ISO 6.400+ the "DR" of the mentionned cameras will be quite the same (OK, there is a lSO limit for Canon, Nikon, and even Sony where pictures become unusable)...Furthermore, there is a significant difference between a night vision device making pics in the dark and photography...No offense, but beeing the most capable camera to take pictures in the dark has nothing to do with DR...The real (and phantastic) DR of the A7S (ii) will show to advantage in daily situations (and low ISOs). "Picturing" the dark has nothing to do with DR and color reproduction. I shoot sometimes in these situations too, but to be honest - these photos are far away from beeing beautiful. It's a kind of documentary shot. Sometimes necessary, but seldom beautiful... BTW: Why didn't you use a long time exposure, while trying to keep your ISO quite low? Was it windy, so you feared to get motion blur within branches/trees? Just curious...

@noone Speaking of DR at ISO 51.200 - 102.400? Seriously? It seems I have a complete different understanding of DR than yours... Why not trying to stay realistic when comparing "DR" at such high ISOs? http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS 6D,Nikon D750,Sony ILCE-7S

@Andrew Reid That's it! We spend a substantial amount of money on our gear, increasing manufacturers profits - many times a 5 or 6 figures amount...But very often buyers don't honor the work of people doing quite much for the community/society like small camera sellers, serious reviewers, small software manufacturers, LUT- & plugin artists, service guys, etc. Throwing thousands of dollars in voracious manufacturers throats for very often overprized devices seems to be OK...But paying a small amount of extra money for a useful and personal service/extra work? With this most people seem to be stingy... We should honor working and useful people and stop paying manufacturers arrogance and excessive steroid consumption of their PR and marketing division...

There is a very nice review of the m43 camera Olympus EM-1 ii of the Romanian photographer Mircea Bezergheanu - a former Nikon ambassador in Romania and a highly experienced and appreciated photographer (now shooting m43). Therein he discusses many aspects of m43 vs FF/APSC from the point of view of a passionated photographer and pro. This guy is technically very good informed and a realist, so some points could be very interesting to consider. --> Olympus EM-1 ii review <-- Put it in your Google translator, read the story/review and take a look at his pictures...OK, he talks only photography, but there are many points you can apply on filming...Have fun.

About 4 weeks ago I talked a guy owning a camera store and a small photo studio. He told me, he doesn't close his store <ONLY because his family owns the building and he doesn't want to rent the store to other people. But in fact, he should close, because it doesn't pay at all. He is very friendly and knowledgeable, but most nowadays customers don't honor this. (A small town with about 25.000 residents 30km far from Frankfurt/Germany) Most people try to abuse his store as a free camera test location: They come in, put an own card in a camera, shoot a little bit around and go home...They never return to buy, probably they buy online for much cheaper...To stop this mess, he started to charge 50 Euros for testing and consulting (for about 30-45 minutes) - when people buy the tested gear/camera in his store, he refunds this fee...After starting this, there are about TWO people per week who want to test and get some advice, he said...He is glad having stopped the "test-mania", cheapo-parasites stealing his time at his costs...

@gt3rs Yep. Bus this is NOT a mass market. So, I ask myself, how many of today's camera manufacturers will survive this race within the coming years without a mass market...In the cold light of day, Samsung did it right (from a company's economical point of view) to leave the camera market. It simply doesn't help to sell (R&D, manufacture, promote, after sales service, etc.) a great camera for a huge minus...Customer satisfaction is only helpful when bringing bread on manufacturer's table. Working for minus or zero financial compensation isn't a good idea in a world where money counts every moment... I understand the strategic idea of "the winner takes it all" - some camera manufacturers would accept the fact of periodically making losses, because they hope to survive and dominate the camera market (and pricing) and this race in some years - they just try it "Amazon like". But I fear, some of today's players will retire within the next 5 years.... And camera stores will become a rarity... @Tim Sewell The question is for me, if the "enthusiast market" could be a decent amount of business volume to get enough profit. Personally and considering the prizing wars within handheld DSLR/MILC market, I doubt it...RED does it right - but they don't sell their products up to max. 2.000 USD. So, camera manufacturers should go REAL sophisticated/expensive within a small market share but huge margins, OR in mass markets with smaller margins but big business volumes...

@Andrew Reid My generation (16-20 years old) has ZERO interest in using proper video/photo cameras. ZERO...All people use extensively their smartphones, they want it "as simple as possible" and aim to post as fast as possible the results on social media. Facebook is for many young people BS, Instagram and SnapChat are nowadays king...An own website/blog? Muahaha....It has to be quick and dirty...NO EFFORTS (saving for buy, handling, shooting, editing, education, etc.), please... "Winning back smartphone users"? This would be really hard (and costly) to do, as young users are generally lazy and don't want to spend any time with fiddling and properly operating a camera. The formula simply is: "As simple and automated as possible to shoot and share". And never forget the costs: Most of my colleagues spend 30-50 EUR / month for "all net flat" mobile calling/internet fees, including a smartphone usage for 2 years....So no cash needed to buy a smartphone. This business model for "selling" smartphones is impossible to do for a camera manufacturer. In my school there are about 1.500 scholars. I know very many people, but only FOUR scholars owning/operating a DSLR/MILC camera. Camera stores? It's hard for them (not for the big electronic discounters, but for smaller, specialized camera stores)...Generally diminished camera sales, very small margins and customers expecting top advice, but then going home and ordering online for cheapest price...For 95% of stores it's even impossible to get in the costs for rental...

@BTM_Pix C'mon BTM_Pix, "banding" is some kind of hater speak...In my eyes, this is a new kind of artistic effect invented by Sony - ES-SST (Electronic Shutter - Sony Striping Technology)...As it works only sporadically at the moment (and only when using ES) on the A9, Sony is working on a firmware upgrade to insure the functionality of this revolutionary striping effect in almost every lighting situation possible...So please consider, that's not a bug ("phenomenon" in manufaturer speak), but a feature... Rumors say, they work on an app for their Sony MemoryApp Collection too, as many other users of A7X and A6X00 cameras want to get this famous "striping effect" too...This SST-App will cost 10 USD, but hey, it's cheap for such an useful feature...

@Michal Gajdoš Both are dead now... Obviously - from your own examples - NOT. Further...Yahoo, Altavista, first mover - and dust now....Google was NOT first mover. But it's a successful company. It's not important to be first mover, it's much more important to have a successful & sustainable business strategy. Economy is NOT about dreaming around or beeing "first mover". It's survival of the fittest...At long term... GM? Just saying to lower their sales expectations for 2017...Just another patient in coma... Personally I don't like this idea at all, but nowadays general economic power and market share sometimes just kill innovations / an innovative attitude....

Are some of your shots focused manually? Could you share some details (lens, aperture, shutter...)?

@noone Nice work noone...If you visit Germany till middle August, I seriously invite you to shoot some festivals with me. I like low light shootouts and with a a7s (ii) in your hands, you should be a serious competitor....It would be a lot of fun...

Guys, now it's time to sell out your 4K bullshit and jump on the new 8K bandwagon...Last chance for you - because not later than 2020, 16K will be the new standard. --> https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/3782-a-generational-leap-in-bandwidth-makes-8k-part-of-the-conversation <-- Hehe, same endless bullshit marketing loop as 2013 and same claims: you can crop in, you can get rid of artifacts, etc....and you can pay 100.000+ for the new standard - manufactured by RED, Ikegami and others... My POV: There are some guys who should urgently call the drug helpline....

@Andrew Reid I don't defend them. I just try to be fair. I can NOT abnegate years and decades of shooting Canon, when particurarly beeing very happy with ergonomics, built quality and an excellent after sales and repair service. But then I started beeing very unhappy with inconsistency and accuracy of their AF...And Canon startet kidding me, telling me, I don't see good, respectively my requirements would not be realistic... But my demands were realistic - their cameras were not...The D750 showed me first how AF consistency and accuracy works, even I was not perfectly familiar with all AF possibilities at that time. No more misfocused bullshit, no more Canon excuses for problems they knew about...But OK, now it's over...To be honest, I have to admit, when selling the lenses (as eg 400mm 2.8 and some more spectacular lenses of our collection) we got by far more money for them, as we paid years ago when buying new...So, most Canon lenses we owned were not expenses, but a substancial investment over time - as it turned out when selling...To remain fair to the morons... Nope...For me, it's only 2.000 worth. Not one cent more. So, in reality vastly overprized. But, as I said, I consider the 1DX II to be very expensive - but not overprized. I don't like feeding fat cats even more, especially when they try to kid me.... And then, there is something more...I encountered many Canon shooters with quite the same, poor attitude towards their own work and customers...These are mostly photographic ignorants on one side and know-it-alls on the other side...No need for then to learn something new, never thinking about evolving and further development...A vast majority believes, "no need for wireless HSS", most of them shoot stopped down to F5.6-8, no risks, nothing...No need for a great DR....Post WW 2, like their manufacturer...And nearly all of them complaining about customers attitide and low rates they get - but none of them reflecting on the own attitude, lack of modern offerings and poor delivery....No need for learning post production...No need for using a second card in the 5d m3 ("I never had a card failure")...Bla, bla, bla...People treating their customers as enemies are provincial, narrow-minded morons filled with bitterness. And very soon - bankrupt... To be honest: Sometimes I believe, Canon customers should do a rebellion against a retro-minded manufacturer. BUT, for a rebellion, people should have noticed, how Canon is kidding them. But they don't notice anything...Canonistas love pains - because they don't even notice them...

@jonpais Full ACK...I've just done some mentions on the photographic capabilities of the 6D / 6D ii - because I gave up to expect even a minimum of video performance from a Canon APSC or FF DSLR under 2.000 EURO. Personally I stopped to require all i need for photography AND filming from one single camera/manufacturer. For photos it's Nikon at the moment. My needs: for video there is Panasonic HC-X1 I own and - after taking a in deep look at the new C200 - probably the C200 as soon as it will be available. Portable solutions I own: D750 & D810 (nice 1080p, but I don't use both very often for filming), D500 (great video imaging but a quite ugly crop in 4K)...And then the NX1 and my mom's A6500 for daily, portable shooting and when needing reliable video AF. And furthermore, the FZ1000 for quick&dirty B/C-Roll footage As you see, more than enough cameras for nearly all needs...So I don't expect NOTHING from the Canon ultras...Their attitude simply disgusts me. Nevertheless Canon has enough merits within the photographing and filming community with some very nice devices during the past. And it seems, the upcoming C200 will perfectly fit my filmic needs, though I will have to take a deep look at it before buying. BUT I would never spend 3.700 EUR for an 5d m4 or even 2.000 Eur for a 6D ii. They decided to cripple & overprize their DSLR line, OK...I'll spend my money otherwise. Nikon didn't refuse explecetely to take my money... I don't care about brands, I care only about performance, ergonomics, reliability and fun when shooting...Never forget fun and personal satisfaction!

Exactly...Canon has to learn IQ & feature performance and Sony has to learn how to build cameras apart from selling wonderful technology in a "unhandy, tightly filled plastic bag"... Thanks for the suggestion, I'll take a look... BTW: It was you @Andrew Reid who said in an article something like "Sony A6x00 feels like a genious brain in a body of an idiot..."

I am NOT explecetely a Toyota fan. I simply like a certain degree of reliability... And remember: Before Ferrari got World Champion in F1, it was a very unreliable car...It was more a myth than a usable race car. After Michael Schumacher got there and explained the Maranello "enthusiasts", that a race car has to complete a race for winning, they got more reliable. Reliability and well building can be very boring, but it's simply necessary for winning races over 40+ rounds...