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Surely the gymfluencers will be flocking to the S1Rii after that recent magnum opus ?

It won’t be a subscription and what upgrade fees do appear in the future will be modest.

Well with one country being run by a tit and the other country selling so much tat, it is quite apt that these tit for tat exchanges will go on for quite a while yet.

There are legion scenes in The Thick Of It where they absolutely nailed the Tory party but this one reigns supreme.

Sorry @eatstoomuchjam I can see how I’ve muddied the waters there as I was just illustrating how components of a system would attract different rates. The Ursa Cine 12K and its media module would’ve been a great example of that if it was “Chinese” enough to get hit and as BM didn’t hike the price to reflect that then I’m guessing it isn’t. But it might be later on today when the next random move happens. And then rescinded the next day etc etc

When BM announced the PYXIS price hike, it was an increase in price that was in line with it being manufactured in China. So they themselves must have considered it would be hit. Subsequently, it now isn’t in line with that even though the tariffs remain on China so logically (ironic to have logic mentioned in this nonsensical trade war) BM have subsequently changed where it will be made as they do have manufacturing in several countries. The “substantial transformation” aspect of the rules of origin calculation also give a pathway for mitigating tariff impact as I said the other day by them separating the hardware and the software of their cameras as they are just a box of cheap bits without the software. Clearly by no longer having the PYXIS price increased in line with the China tariff, BM have found another way from what their original intention was via either route and they must be confident it will survive a challenge. As they don’t have a definitive shipping date they were able to do this without having a ton of stock inbound to the US and they will also be able to absorb any delay incurred in the change of plan by just extending the actual release date. It’s not like the customers will complain about a delay if the result is the price not being hiked and, of course, it’s BM so no one was expecting it to ship on time anyway !

Here is the list of the new exemptions. https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USDHSCBP/bulletins/3db9e55 The general HTS code for cameras is 8025. So they are not included in the list. As it currently stands, if you buy the Ursa Cine 12K then you will be hit with 150% for the camera but not the media module. All of this is “as it currently stands” because he’s probably not finished his morning double cheeseburger yet so is almost certainly subject to further “strategic alterations” and all the new tariffs are removed over the next two weeks. I’m surprised they didn’t disappear in real time while I was reading the document.

Not locally owned any more but RED are still there. And with significantly less cringe.

I think it’s only polite that you disclose your affiliation to the Jehovah’s Witnesses before posting blind links to their religious material. Unless it’s just a massive coincidence that your profile contact details on here link to their jw.org domain.

What an absolute bell end this man is.

When it was dawning on the hard of thinking here that Brexit was a load of old bollocks they just doubled down on the delusion using their weapon of choice, the piss poor home made sign. The weapons of choice for Trump’s disciples when the penny drops might be a bit more problematic for him.

There is a path through this for Blackmagic and other camera manufacturers if this actually carries on which is to separate the hardware and the software elements of the camera. Instead of paying 104% on the value of the whole camera they can bring it in as a dumb unit and pay the tariff on the absolute minimum component cost. They can then establish a bare bones local US operation to put the firmware on after it leaves the docks and before it goes to dealers. They could then import the dumb camera at a value of $1000 (or less) and then control the price increase to a more palatable level of $1040 as the firmware will be a separate US derived product so tariff free instead of the end user having to swallow the $5000 on the whole product. There is precedent here of course with the way Panasonic and Sony etc offer software keys to make a product more powerful and this just takes it to it’s logical conclusion as you can’t get more powerful than actually doing anything at all ! On the upside for Trump this chicanery will create a job for someone local. Just the one of course but, still, a lot of winning there.

Sanity Prevailing Update : Trump has just said he will add an ADDITIONAL 50% if China don’t withdraw their retaliatiory tariff by tomorrow.

Yes, they appear to have exported a Manchurian Candidate to the US completely tariff free. Well it did cost them the price of some new bedsheets sheets, a mop and a couple of MiniDV tapes but still a sweetheart deal. I wonder if there was a 50% tariff on wives whether Trump would have paused for thought as they are the only things he seems to have any practical experience of importing.

Sorry, I was referring more to making the purchasing decisions based on evaluating all the options from the different manufacturers rather than physically buying them there and taking them away. I have been involved in deals being signed at many NAB shows in a previous life which I doubt will be happening this time due to the uncertainty. B&H Photo are, of course, happy to take orders from their booth for shipping from their HQ but, yes, the NAB is by and large a safe space for instant GAS gratification ! They have other outlets in Vegas for that.

I'm wondering what the situation is with the UC12K as it is still listed at the original price on BM's website. Whether that means they have a large amount of existing stock already in the US prior to the tariffs or they are again holding back until the situation is clearer. If it goes the same way as the PYXIS then its all of a sudden going to be a $10K camera. The people holding out to get a $7K 12K BM camera will then have to turn to the PYXIS 12K. Its a complete mess, particularly as it is coinciding with NAB so people are going there to buy a new camera now have no idea what their current budget is going to get them or if they are going to have to up their budget. Its all relative though, of course, as the impact of the price of 12K Cinema cameras pales into insignificance when the impact of whats going on is measured on things that actually really matter 🙂

They must be considering that the expected release date is far enough away for sanity to prevail and the additional tariff is removed by the time they are actually available. Its not beyond the bounds of possibility that BM delay it even beyond the expected date of July for the same reasons.

It’s paid by the importer and then passed directly on to the consumer, though fixed costs such as handling and transport fees after the port of entry mean that the calculation isn’t always a straight addition to the current retail price as those costs don’t include any additional increase. The original $4995 is now $6595. If they’d added the whole 34% directly on (which is on top of an existing 20% by the way) then it would be $6693. The reason for it not being that much is that fixed costs such as US based handling and transportation charges do not carry the tariff.

They have/had a few different plants in Singapore, Malaysia and China. The PYXIS amongst other products is made in China. Of course they might be made in a secret plant in the US and BM are just ramping the price up because it was so well received and they want to make more cash 😂 On a serious note, this is an interesting test case regarding the tariffs as the stated goal of them is to get more American made products to be competitive and the obvious beneficiaries of overseas cinema cameras getting hit would be RED. If you want what the PYXIS 12K offers then RED don’t really have anything like it so you’d have to go higher up their line. The price difference even with the tariffs applied to the 12K is so big that you likely couldn’t be fishing in those waters anyway. So all that happens is RED don’t sell any more cameras and the end user has $1600 less in his pocket. If that is enough to not be able to buy it then it hits the retailers too as they will be selling less which means’s lower tax take all round. 12K cinema cameras of course are a cause celebre for us but this will hit a lot more mainstream products in exactly the same way. RED slashing the KOMODO price last week does look a bit hasty now that the PYXIS 6K has also had a big price increase too. Of course, RED slashed the price to clear the inventory but even so they could’ve made a lot more money by hanging fire.

The US price has now been updated to incorporate the tariffs. A $1600 increase then. If I was in the US, I think I’d be holding off on that pre-order for a while until the presumably inevitable walk back.

It is the S5ii as far as I’m aware. I’ve pulled this from a demo of the new functionality and shows switchable contrast and phase detect in the UI. Full video is here Yeah I think it will become clearer what BM’s intentions actually are for the 12K when they are doing demos and interviews at the show itself.

Mmm…In terms of AF, it was only actually stated to be coming for the Cine 6K and then by extension, when that firmware is out of beta, for the PYXIS 6K. I’m wondering if a misguided conclusion has been leapt to here by me that it will come to the PYXIS 12K. The other two share the same Sony sensor and it’s one we know to have PDAF capabilities because it’s used in a number of other cameras. The 12K sensor though is all their own work so I don’t know if it actually does?

There’s dumb L mount adapters for most legacy mounts so just use electrical tape over the PYXIS end contacts to be on the safe side.