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Where did I mention anything about the Lucadapter not being a real product? He is a member of this forum so I'm well aware of his products. Where did I mention anything about the Bezamod never having been a real product? He closed sales on the original version when the PL mount of the Ursa was released a long time ago so it had ceased to be a product you could buy. So the only version that you could buy now would be the new Pocket6K which is a new announcement, is still not fully funded and its earliest availability is listed as being February 2020. Hope that clarifies everything.

Sigma will have a working FP in its cine guise for hands on demos at the IBC. I was a bit more "meh" than usual about going this year so this will make it a bit more interesting. https://www.sigmaphoto.com/article/sigma-participate-in-ibc-2019/

Where did I say it was an adapter rather than a mod? The clue that it is a mod is in the actual name of the product. I didn't produce his list though, I showed the list of the existing adapters. His mod fleshes that list out pretty well which reinforces the original point I made about the limited choice with an adapter. The announcement of the Bezamod being available for the Pocket6K was post the discussion you've quoted by the way and I'm not sure it would've moved the needle much as it does not have a release date and remains some way short of being funded and even then only carries an estimated earliest shipping date of February 2020. It forces it with one specific lens type. The same way that Blackmagic have announced a Super16 windowed mode for the Pocket 4K if you want to use those lenses where, again, you need an adapter. If you want to use it with EF lenses then it won't be cropped and you can use a speedbooster as well if you want. Without a mod. And you can use it with PL lenses with a simple adapter. Without a mod. Or Leica M lenses for fast, compact lenses with a simple adapter. Without a mod. I can see we won't agree on this (and nor do we have to so thats fine) so I'll leave it here but I can see one negative of retaining the mft mount versus several negatives to the EF mount. BM have access to way more data than I do so I'm sure they've made the most logical choice for their needs based on that data.

I'm completely relaxed thanks. I was debating a point with a complete idiot that was reducing the collective IQ of the forum every time he posted but if you want to open up the subject again.. From my experience with the JVC LS300, most lenses are able to do 90-94% coverage of the sensor so the windowed mode would be minimal (both in terms of FOV and resolution loss) and a fair compromise for the ability to use lightweight mft lenses. I don't know where the E mount or RF mount come into it as I never mentioned those as being a viable option for BM to incorporate. Its a fair point about the original BMCC but that was also at a time when electronic mft EF adapters didn't exist so people were buying them because it was a shallower mount and more adaptable. There is no reason why the new mount would not be active as per the Pocket 4K and there are now plenty of electronic EF adapters on the market though so its a bit of a moot point in the context of the point about this camera today. The lens landscape in terms of quality and range for mft lenses is also significantly different between now and then. For a camera with such rudimentary AF, there is no loss of performance in using an adapter versus native, only a loss of flexibility in having the option of both. For the sake of a 90% windowed mode only when using the small lightweight lenses, I don't think there would have been a huge pushback at that compromise, particularly as it would also then allow the use of PL lenses amongst others. With regard to PL compatibility, this is a list from the SLR Magic PL Adapter and is actually quite a bit more extensive than other adapters that carry the same core list SLR Magic SLR Magic ANAMORPHOT-CINE 35mm/50mm/70mm SLR Magic APO-HyperPrime 25/50/85 Century Optics Century Optics S2000 150-600mm - Canon Century Optics 200 mm T 2 - Canon Nikkor Nikkor Micro 200 mm T 4 Nikkor 800 mm T 5.6 Nikkor 300 mm T 2 Nikkor 200 mm T 2 Cooke Optics Cooke 18-100 mm T 3 Canon Canon 800 mm T 5.6 Canon 400 mm T 2.8 Canon 300 mm T 2.8 Canon 20-35mm T4 Angenieux Angenieux 20-120 mm Angenieux 7-81 mm T 2.4 HR Angenieux 17-102 mm T 2.9 Angenieux 24-290 mm T 2.8 Angenieux Optimo 24-290 mm Angenieux Optimo 28-70 mm Angenieux Optimo 17-80 mm T 2.2 Angenieux Optimo 15-40 mm T 2.6 Angenieux Optimo 45-120mm Angenieux Optimo 28-340mm Angenieux Optimo 19.5-94mm Focus Optics Ruby 14-24mm T2.8 AllStar Allstar 135mm T1.9 Allstar 80-200mm T3 Allstar 50mm T1.5 Allstar 18-35 T1.8 Hang on, you're asking if I'm sure "a lot of the PL mount lenses will not work with the PL mount adapter?" and then immediately talking about a product that exists purely to address that issue! With regard to the speed booster, I don't know who's original quote that is as it's not mine, but there is a big difference between that statement and the Lucadapters solution. Both products, as smart as they are, are offering solutions that need not have been there had BM continued with the mft mount and are nowhere near as convenient as the solutions on offer if they had. I'm not saying that EF was a flat out bad choice (and it might actually have resulted in more attraction for people who don't like the mft mount) but it was certainly the less flexible and I don't recall a massive backlash towards the Pocket 4K for having an mft mount in terms of lack of sales of it. By the way, for what its worth, I'm quite an advocate of thinking outside the box when it comes to BM cameras. Way outside of it

I've had this with the Pocket 4K SD card this week funnily enough. I had a LOT of small clips on there from testing and it took increasingly longer to read the card on bootup.

I have no interest in getting one but will likely be forced to as nothing to do with remote focus on the Pocket6K works as it does with the Pocket4K. If BM don't resolve it then there will need to be two versions of everything, switchable to whatever camera you have. In addition, if they keep it as is, then it won't play nice combining remote and manual focus as it only drives to offsets of the current position rather than absolutes. This is more or less how Panasonic's remote protocol works which makes it an absolute bastard to make a focus system for. So, yeah, I will likely have to reluctantly get one to make everything work with it. At which point they will no doubt fix it.

Well he liked one of my tweets so that immediately makes him have suspect judgement. I'm not going to amplify what I'm referring to and to a large number of people the politics of someone will have no consequence when it comes to gear so I'll get back in my box.

Nah, go and have a look at the stuff he likes on Twitter and tell me what sort of pros and cons he focuses on there. Toy? Harsh.

I'm going to take a wild guess that the clue that it was S1, A7iii and A7sii may have been secretly hidden in the thread title ?

The autofocus adapter will be available in early 2020.

I've heard that, inspired by RED's old 3K for $3K scheme, Canon UK are planning a paid upgrade and will be doing a 24p for 24p offer.

I am nowhere near hip enough to support Union.

Are you suggesting Canon have negotiated a deal with more restrictions in return for a reduction in price ?

That is my reading of it from the document itself as well as their FAQ. Worth bearing in mind that h.264 is licensed in really cheap stuff like the Raspberry Pi where margins are tighter than a duck's arse.

That test was on a Leica SL so it was just a dumb SL to EF adapter and then a C/Y adapter. Same story for Pocket 4K but you have the added option of using a Speedbooster.

It certainly held its own against the far more expensive Contax Zeiss 85mm f1.4 in my side by side.

I don't spend £7.99 including postage lightly so they need to earn their keep somehow

With regard to h264 costs, I'm just going to bump this again for anyone who wants to look at the actual figures.

The FP is 112.6mm wide and 69.9mm tall. Here is my Pocket Cinema Camera for you for some context to those dimensions. On that basis, I'm going to stick with "ultra compact" as being a fairly reasonable description for a full frame camera

I don't have an F8 but the Pocket 4K does jam sync to LTC. Just to check that the BNC converter cables aren't an issue, you can test it like I've set it up here with a free LTC app and a simple 3.5mm stereo jack to jack cable. Make sure you then press the screen where the timecode is displayed (as it defaults to showing record time so should be 00:00:00:00) and if the camera is receiving a valid signal the EXT and TC indicators should light up and it should start displaying the incoming timecode. If they don't light up, you can monitor the signal by selecting the 3.5mm mic input as the source in the Audio setup to make sure its getting in and tweak the level at the phone end if needed. If it works in that test with a phone then at least you'll know the camera end is setup correctly and then you can start troubleshooting the F8/BNC converter end.

To be honest, I don't think the FP is actually that far off topic in this instance really. For people looking for an X-T3/A7iii/Z6/RP/S1 type of camera it might not be all that but what is it about the ultra compact, full frame, shallow mount, RAW to SSD camera that you think is going to be such a disappointment to people that are looking for a new generation version of the original Pocket Cinema Camera? Unless they try and sell it for $4000 at which point, yeah, I'll be sat outside the camera shop like this fella.

The ongoing Z6 nonsense over ProResRAW means that the used price of a Z6 will not be far off £1000 by the time it actually happens which might well finally persuade me to get one as it has a lot going for it. The FP is still "Autumn" so it can't be far off. I was surprised the S1H has such a short gap between official spec announement and delivery so hopefully the FP will be the same.

I think its a bit like the Pocket6K launch which made the "enoughness" of the Pocket4K and £1200 to spend on lenses look like a better bet in many respects. As much as the S1H does, I gulped a bit at the price and considered whether the now heavily discounted S1 and the big chunk of change would be the better play. I can't help thinking that it would probably be possible to hustle a deal and get an S1 and a Pocket 6K for not far off the same price. Keep the faith, the FP will save us all !

I think if you are in the area then there should certainly be enough to keep you amused for a day, particularly if you go and watch a few of the booth demos of editing/colour correcting/lighting stuff but just be aware with it being a broadcast show its obviously heavily biased towards that. Have a look at the exhibitors list and make a plan though as its a lot of halls to be traipsing through if you have no interest in broadcast encoders, cloud playback servers etc ! https://ibc19.mapyourshow.com/8_0/explore/exhibitor-alphalist.cfm#/ NAB is similar in a lot of respects with it being a broadcast oriented show but traditionally has had a better balance of things that will interest more people on here and has a lot more product launches and small booths with quirkier products. Again though, I'm not sure if in this more connected world where there are so many "accidental" leaks and you can watch product launches live on YouTube I'd be inclined to make the trip over there any more. Photokina has got more to offer these days, I think.

I've been there variously as an exhibitor, journalist and a visitor on and off for the past 20 odd years. Its never exactly been a riveting experience in any of those capacities to be honest. If you can get there for the day and don't have to deal with the eye watering hotel prices in Amsterdam for the duration its on then its just about worth visiting but unless you're into broadcast/transmission stuff there's probably not enough to really justify doing two days there. I'll be going again this year though obviously