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Oddly enough, the SLR magic PL mount lenses are ones that do fit all the EF adapters so you can use their anamorphics with their supplied adapter. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1343712-REG/slr_magic_1_33x_anamorphot_cine_lens_set.html Obviously at the end of the spectrum that this camera is, most users will be using anamorphic adapters so there are no shortage of EF or adapted to EF mount lenses like Nikon F,Leica R etc that can be used as taking lenses for those so there are plenty of options.

Just to clarify I was only kidding about it being in a new EOS-R. It will of course be in the XC-20

Yeah there is a maximum flange distance requirement on the PL lens that can exclude them. The adapters usually list a set of lenses that they have tested so its then a bit of an anecdotal search for compatibility of ones they haven't.

License swap that lets Canon use compressed RAW in their new EOS-R without getting sued. Probably

Yeah, I was careful not to add the "but you probably wouldn't want to" so that I could retain the technical win

Yes you can. The adapters have an optical element. As above

Aside from F mount, you can adapt PL, M42, Contax C/Y, Canon FD, Minolta MD, Leica R amongst others. The only ones that you are excluded from is Leica M, Sony E, L mount and of course m43.

If you are shooting with s16 lenses then it speeds the whole process to have the files as you will be using them and not having to do a crop on every take. Reduced file size would offer lower compression rates on slower media or longer record times at same compression rate. Its much easier to implement a crop for BM than changing things in the display as well to do scaling etc. I haven't checked the details but does the crop offer higher frame rates too?

The small orange one (the PBC) which won't be orange has an expansion module with five buttons and a small wheel. It communicates to the PBC by bluetooth so you can split them if you want or attach into one controller. So you can have the PBC on top of the camera for example and the expander on a handle. Its a lot cooler than I'm making it sound. But of course. Probably

You mean like this thing on the right ?

Yeah, why not.

The thing is that if you are set up to take stills with it (and don't need a fast shutter speed) then you are also set up to take video with it and might as well just press the video record button and do frame extracts with the added advantage of 24fps capture with an unlimited buffer. Well, of course, you were able to do that when it was shooting CinemaDNG but its arguably a different story now with compressed BRAW so the DNG of stills mode will now be a differentiator to some people so I suppose a bit more thought has to go in from that perspective of it needing a more specific mode. Or not A bluetooth shutter release/video start probably. Short press for stills, long press for video sound OK ?

I have to confess I'm not sure how much that plays in terms of noticeable impact on the signal, (I'm presuming its doing it with phase cancellation or filtering at specific frequencies as it does with the wind filter setting which is also bypassed when a mic is put in the G80) because if its always on there is no way to do an A/B . On balance, even with that, it would still have the net benefit of slightly degraded signal from a good microphone being more preferable to a similarly degraded signal from those internal microphones.

The quality of the image will no doubt be pretty good but its the getting to that point seamlessly that is the challenge based on my experience with the P4K. For a start, the shutter button is too small and too recessed to depress without inducing some shake of the camera body. The next issue is the shutter. Although you can switch it from shutter angle to shutter speed, it is still linked to angle so only goes from a minimum of 1/24th to a maximum of 1/768th and the values in between are also tied to shutter angle so they step in increments that not many photographers will be that familiar with ! In terms of exposure, if you don't go fully manual (and with the false colour its no big deal to do that of course) then you can simulate shutter priority mode if you use the Auto key on the back of the camera and simulate aperture priority mode and full auto mode by turning the Auto on in the shutter menu. Although setting the modes isn't exactly intuitive, it is doable but the big drawback is the lack of exposure compensation control so you are stuck with what the camera decides. In summary, for me, the shutter button is probably an indicator of how much BM really thought people would be using it as a stills camera and the maximum shutter speed and lack of exposure compensation certainly confirms it. As a 'cinema hybrid' for want of a better expression rather than a photo hybrid, its likely that you will have ND to hand anyway so its not as much of a big deal regarding maximum shutter speed and you could argue that shooting DNGs does mitigate the lack of an exposure compensation function to some extent as you have additional latitude. The use of a remote shutter release that has a dedicated mode dial and a sneaky way of creating exposure compensation for people who did want to use it more for photography would probably be of benefit. And when I say 'probably be of benefit' I actually mean 'does anyone want one?'.

Ah, I think we were possibly talking at cross purposes then. To be fair, the power situation isn't nearly the headache it was when we first got them either when BM inexplicably did not have the cable kits ready so we were all having to lash together different clunky solutions. Overall, I actually think the Pocket 4K probably wins the minimum spend on additional accessories to shoot though as the additional power costs are more than offset by how much it costs to get a phantom powered XLR microphone into the other cameras and BRAW has shifted things even further with regard to comparable media costs.

If I were to do this, then the sacrifice of the central part of the hotshoe (at least) to get the cables through would be the logical option and then terminate them with two sockets to plug into. You could use a male connector as the guy has with the LX100 if you wanted and use couplers but I'm not sure why. A mod would remove the onboard mics completely so yes you could either go in just before the pre-amps or if you look at the schematic in the service manual you can trace it and go in after those ( at c7 and c8 on IC9101) providing you have external pre-amps. Or just buy a G85 and be done with it

When you open the Pocket 4K box, you only need to add a lens and a memory card to shoot with it. If you want to add extra power, support, external monitoring, microphones etc to it then the package cost will go up if you don't already own that stuff. But exactly the same could be said of any interchangeable lens camera though. And it won't be any different with the Pocket 6K so I'm not sure what you are getting at here with regard to what I said mate, which was about used prices of the Pocket 4K getting lower ?

Particularly as the 4K is quite likely to become a lot cheaper on the used market.

I'm curious about this to be honest. Its still quite rare to see one out in the wild isn't it? There were obviously a gazillion pre-orders when it was announced but I wonder what percentage of those turned into actual delivered sales after all the delays? How many people cancelled because they got fed up and moved on to another camera (after all people couldn't just put their projects on indefinite hold) or their circumstances changed or they didn't like CDNG being removed? If those people now come back I'm guessing it might will be to the 6K and that the 6K will have a longer life so might well outsell the 4K in the end.

I think the thirst for ever faster lenses is starting to bite as the prices of the equivalent mft ones can't compete. If you look at something like the Sigma 16mm f1.4 for the Pocket 6K then its not far off half the price of the (almost) equivalent 12mm f1.4 Panasonic lens. Far more choice of fast, stabilised (which is obviously important on non-IBIS camera) native lenses from more manufacturers for the 6K than the 4K so you could argue that the difference in price will be recouped in lenses. The lenses are bigger of course but lets be honest the either version of the camera isn't on the compact side anyway.

He said it can take it from any device so it should even be able to jam from an Android app like this for your phone if you want to save a few quid if its just for that feature. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.AaronBernstein.ltctimecodegenerator&hl=en_GB

€3000 puts into a different bracket with different choices doesn't it? When you look at in the cold light of day, its going to be an APS-C EF mount camera with very primitive AF and a (now) compressed RAW codec. If Canon announced something with that spec today there'd be howls of derision I think it makes less sense for a lot of people than the 4K does (not least because the 4K can have EF lenses as well of course) but the choice is there now.

He says its immediately available from stock. Which makes me suspicious about the long term outlook for the 4K considering the lead times he was mentioning for components for it.

Oh well, we might as well start a new thread then. Interesting to see how it fares now its swimming in different if not necessarily deeper waters. Instant availability as well, which is another surprise, so whatever those components Grant Petty referenced that had 72 week lead times in the 4K version that have been crippling deliveries are obviously not in play here.

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